Why does everyone have a problem now?

[GrahamT1234]

As long as I can remember there have always been high interval circuit training. I know many college and professional sports programs have trainers use this style of training to prepare their athletes.

I would say most high level athletes such as MMA fighters use this type of training vs the body building style of training.

This style of training has been called many different names such as caveman training, circuit training, sports performance.

Its most common name today is cross fit.

My question is why has no one ever had a problem with this style of training in the past, when it was called something else. BUT now that it is called Cross fit people are hating on it like none other.

Whats with all the hate, there are many many people who have never worked out before who with Cross fit, there are so many successful weight loss stories because of cross fit.

Shouldn't the entire community of fitness enthusiast be happy that more people are becoming healthy and taking their physical well being more seriously?

What's your take, try not to be rude. I would like respectable answers not insults.

Thanks

[Zaak84]

I think what people critic in crossfit are the absence of security and some dumb exercices

[21infantry]

Well, I am no Crossfit expert, but I have actually done some in the Military, if you take out some of the stupid crap in it, its effective and gets people to exercise, there are some good cross fit places and there are crappy cross fit places. Over all I have no problem with it. Its better then sitting on the couch.

[GrahamT1234]

Well, I am no Crossfit expert, but I have actually done some in the Military, if you take out some of the stupid crap in it, its effective and gets people to exercise, there are some good cross fit places and there are crappy cross fit places. Over all I have no problem with it. Its better then sitting on the couch.

I agree, there are some good places and bad places.

[VanillaBearB]

I haven't ever followed a cross-fit program but the gym I was at when I was at my parents had one strong as hell guy who trained with crossfit principles.

I remember him doing something called a Hero's workout which was dedicated to some guy in the forces who passed away. It was something like:

275lb Deadlift x 5
13 Push-ups
9 Box Jumps on to a 24" box.

AMRAP in 30 minutes. **** that took a lot of conditioning ability and endurance. He did about 15 circuits I think, the guy was pretty jacked compared to most gym goers anyway.

[21infantry]

As VanillaBear has said, I have run into some pretty jacked cross fitters, whatever they seem to be doing seems to be working. Don't know the Science behind it, but if it works it works. Just not my cup of tea to be honest.

[ironwill2008]

As long as I can remember there have always been high interval circuit training. I know many college and professional sports programs have trainers use this style of training to prepare their athletes.

I would say most high level athletes such as MMA fighters use this type of training vs the body building style of training.

This style of training has been called many different names such as caveman training, circuit training, sports performance.

Its most common name today is cross fit.

My question is why has no one ever had a problem with this style of training in the past, when it was called something else. BUT now that it is called Cross fit people are hating on it like none other.

Whats with all the hate, there are many many people who have never worked out before who with Cross fit, there are so many successful weight loss stories because of cross fit.

Shouldn't the entire community of fitness enthusiast be happy that more people are becoming healthy and taking their physical well being more seriously?

What's your take, try not to be rude. I would like respectable answers not insults.

Thanks

You must be new here.


Performing medium-to-high-skill exercises against the clock is plain old stupid.

[Wildtim]

Circuit training and crossfit are two completely different things.

You might want to learn about the differences before sounding like an idiot.

[ironwill2008]

Circuit training and crossfit are two completely different things.

You might want to learn about the differences before sounding like an idiot.

And then there's ^^^^ this. I was too lazy to point out that gaffe in my previous post.

My comment about crossfit still stands though; only knuckleheads, or those dumb enough to allow themselves to be trained by knuckleheads, do medium-to-high-skill barbell exercises against a clock.

[TheQuiet]

Circuit training and crossfit are two completely different things.

You might want to learn about the differences before sounding like an idiot.

Yes, I was going to post this. I was curious about this new 'craze' called CrossFit and I researched that it was just a combination of a lot of different methods of working out, such as calisthenics, powerlifting, gymnastics, etc., performed at high-intensity.

I think this program is more of a faze that will die out. It doesn't seem very credible.

[GrahamT1234]

Circuit training and crossfit are two completely different things.

You might want to learn about the differences before sounding like an idiot.

Circuit training is a form of body conditioning or resistance training using high-intensity aerobics. It targets strength building and muscular endurance.

Sounds a lot like the stuff that goes on at in Cross Fit Gyms.

You also offer nothing more than an ignorant and clearly biased opinion.

No offense but you honestly look like a fat old out of shape person - so why would I or anyone care what you have to say. Just an observation not an insult - like when you called me an idiot.

Instead of name calling why don't you offer up some intelligent argument as to why people have a problem with crossfit all of a sudden - when the same style of work outs under different names never received the criticism.

Or why so many professional sports trainers use this style?

C'mon man you're better that that, or you should be look at all the comments you've made.

[Silva123456]

I think it's because crossfit is pretty popular for females (at least where i live,) this makes the bros look down on the entire sport because they subconsciously view themselves as above women. Just a thought...

[BalyunPex]

Circuit training is a form of body conditioning or resistance training using high-intensity aerobics. It targets strength building and muscular endurance.

Circuit training does not "target" strength building; it is mostly CV endurance.

Plagiarizing your info from Wiki indicates that Wildtim's observation of your knowledge level is ... pretty much on target.

Circuit training is a form of body conditioning or resistance training using high-intensity aerobics. It targets strength building and muscular endurance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_training

[GrahamT1234]

Circuit training does not "target" strength building; it is mostly CV endurance.

Plagiarizing your info from Wiki indicates that Wildtim's observation of your knowledge level is ... pretty much on target.

First, Cross fit consist of a lot of Cardiovascular activities during a training session.

Second, Are you serious? You can't plagiarize the definition of something because that's what it is.

I went to a third party on purpose to support and validate my earlier claims.

[GrahamT1234]

I think it's because crossfit is pretty popular for females (at least where i live,) this makes the bros look down on the entire sport because they subconsciously view themselves as above women. Just a thought...

I would agree with that statement. I know it is hugely popular with women in my area as well.

I can see how some women doing cross fit and those same women possibly having a have lower Body fat percentage than some men lifting traditional ways would irritate them.

[BoB335]

You're fighting a losing battle with some of these "IDIOTS"!!! I've had some great help with my questions and the same idiots that you have here NEVER have anything good to say. Don't take it personal!

[BalyunPex]

First, Cross fit consist of a lot of Cardiovascular activities during a training session.

Oh. Well in that case, circuit-training has everything to do with strength building then. Your example that "Cross fit consist of a lot of Cardiovascular activities" certainly makes the case for circuit-training's strength focus -- so many competitive burpees performed in Olympic Weightlifting events, Powerlifting competitions, and Strongman exhibitions. Oh wait. No, that doesn't really happen.

Perhaps you can communicate your point in a manner that ... has a point?

As noted earlier, a big knock on X-Fit is the notion that performing technical moves like deadlifts, for as many as possible as fast as possible, is a "good idea".

It's rather quite like your notion that circuit-training is strength-oriented.

Second, Are you serious? You can't plagiarize the definition of something because that's what it is.

It would be customary to attribute your quote to Wiki then. Wiki's excerpt is not a definition -- it's a poorly-formed opinion. Which you attempted to pass off as your own "original thought". You know ... plagiarism by definition, and all that.

[GrahamT1234]

You're fighting a losing battle with some of these "IDIOTS"!!! I've had some great help with my questions and the same idiots that you have here NEVER have anything good to say. Don't take it personal!

Agreed, and I don't take it personal.

My goal was to understand where the disdain for CF came from, so I cam to a website called Bodybuilding.com.

I did want not to debate one vs the other because obviously like you said it would be a losing battle.

But they clearly didn't read the question or maybe they couldn't comprehend what I was asking and resorted to basing thinking I was trying to get into a pissing contest with them.

I anticipated this but I thought I'd get at least to page two before it started.

[GrahamT1234]

Oh. Well in that case, circuit-training has everything to do with strength building then. Your example that "Cross fit consist of a lot of Cardiovascular activities" certainly makes the case for circuit-training's strength focus -- so many competitive burpees performed in Olympic Weightlifting events, Powerlifting competitions, and Strongman exhibitions. Oh wait. No, that doesn't really happen.

Perhaps you can communicate your point in a manner that ... has a point?

As noted earlier, a big knock on X-Fit is the notion that performing technical moves like deadlifts, for as many as possible as fast as possible, is a "good idea".

It's rather quite like your notion that circuit-training is strength-oriented.


It would be customary to attribute your quote to Wiki then. Wiki's excerpt is not a definition -- it's a poorly-formed opinion. Which you attempted to pass off as your own "original thought". You know ... plagiarism by definition, and all that.

If I had the slightest idea that you would begin attacking me for plagiarism a definition I would have given you my source.

I didn't know your argument was so weak that you needed it.

You've never done low weight high repetition? You've never done burn outs?

Or is all you do is your 3 or 1 rep maxes?

Are you trying to tell me that doing heavy weight for less than 6 reps every set is better for you than low weight high rep?

Are you saying that cardiovascular and strength training cannot co-exist in the same work out?

[BalyunPex]

You've never done low weight high repetition? You've never done burn outs?

Or is all you do is your 3 or 1 rep maxes?

Are you trying to tell me that doing heavy weight for less than 6 reps every set is better for you than low weight high rep?

Are you saying that cardiovascular and strength training cannot co-exist in the same work out?

Misdirection using inane questions does nothing for your assertion that circuit-training targets strength-building.

Do you pack your lunch or simply walk to work?

Should all-you-can-eat buffets charge you more for eating less than you can?

If a librarian finds a self-help book for you, does that defeat the purpose?





Now, about that strength-building ... how much you burpee, bro? Me, 'bout tree-fiddy.

[davisj3537]

Circuit training doesn't necessarily involve high technique olympic lifts done against a clock in a fatigued scenario like Xfit does. Only elite athletes are capable of doing that...not your average joe going to a xfit gym.

Having rank noobs do high tech oly lifts to exhaustion may be one of the absolute dumbest fads in fitness history.

Having said that, some Xfit gyms don't do this. They base workouts around safer and less complicated lifts and don't push into exhaustion. These gyms are few and far between, but can offer an outstanding environment to get in shape for the uninformed noob.

[BoB335]

Agreed, and I don't take it personal.

My goal was to understand where the disdain for CF came from, so I cam to a website called Bodybuilding.com.

I did want not to debate one vs the other because obviously like you said it would be a losing battle.

But they clearly didn't read the question or maybe they couldn't comprehend what I was asking and resorted to basing thinking I was trying to get into a pissing contest with them.

I anticipated this but I thought I'd get at least to page two before it started.

You basically said it. They CAN'T comprehend what you are asking. Weight lifting is definitely NOT exercise for them. It's NOT even a sport. It's a way of life that no other way of life can match so there's no sense in even trying to understand anything else.

I've been on many different forums. Music, guitar, Bible, live sound reinforcement and others where I came in not knowing anything and asking questions. I had nothing to add to the discussion because I didn't know anything. Many of these I hung around long enough to be able to contribute to the discussion later on and helped noobs with the same questions I once had. I have NEVER faced the harassment, the self-righteous pompous attitudes like I have faced on this forum in 2 days of being on here. You should read the negative crap I've faced on my thread.

[DorianJ]

I like Crossfit
What I like the most is the brotherhood phylosophy.
You enter on a spartan environment, no music, television or other things to distract you and you complete the WOD as group and then feel a sence of accomplishment which must feel pretty unique. I like how it leads to the creation of events like Cross Fit Games or Day in the Park or Beach where people who had never flirted with physical exercises workout for the first time stumbling into it and maintaning it as a habit afterwards.

What I don't like, but this unfortunately is the fate of ANY human product be it Linux, Starting Strength or Christianism, is the cultist fanatical approach of some, many, of its members. I also don't like how it is touted as the best physical activity ever for every goal. When you remove the phylosophy of brotherhood, multi-discipline and spartan environment Cross Training is nother but circuit training.

But I don't think it's dangerous, I know children as young as 6 who does Crossfit and I have never heard of anyone getting injuried. By comparison heavy weight lifting, even with perfect form, is way more dangerous. I don't think barbell exercises against the clock are a problem when the resistance is so little.

[BoB335]

I like Crossfit
What I like the most is the brotherhood phylosophy.
You enter on a spartan environment, no music, television or other things to distract you and you complete the WOD as group and then feel a sence of accomplishment which must feel pretty unique. I like how it leads to the creation of events like Cross Fit Games or Day in the Park or Beach where people who had never flirted with physical exercises workout for the first time stumbling into it and maintaning it as a habit afterwards.

What I don't like, but this unfortunately is the fate of ANY human product be it Linux, Starting Strength or Christianism, is the cultist fanatical approach of some, many, of its members. I also don't like how it is touted as the best physical activity ever for every goal. When you remove the phylosophy of brotherhood, multi-discipline and spartan environment Cross Training is nother but circuit training.

But I don't think it's dangerous, I know children as young as 6 who does Crossfit and I have never heard of anyone getting injuried. By comparison heavy weight lifting, even with perfect form, is way more dangerous. I don't think barbell exercises against the clock are a problem when the resistance is so little.

The fact that someone with a differing opinion that can articulate it without bashing anyone and has over 1,000 posts here show me that there might actually be some hope for this site. Thanks I needed that!

[Mdenatale]

I like Crossfit
What I like the most is the brotherhood phylosophy.
You enter on a spartan environment, no music, television or other things to distract you and you complete the WOD as group and then feel a sence of accomplishment which must feel pretty unique. I like how it leads to the creation of events like Cross Fit Games or Day in the Park or Beach where people who had never flirted with physical exercises workout for the first time stumbling into it and maintaning it as a habit afterwards.

What I don't like, but this unfortunately is the fate of ANY human product be it Linux, Starting Strength or Christianism, is the cultist fanatical approach of some, many, of its members. I also don't like how it is touted as the best physical activity ever for every goal. When you remove the phylosophy of brotherhood, multi-discipline and spartan environment Cross Training is nother but circuit training.

But I don't think it's dangerous, I know children as young as 6 who does Crossfit and I have never heard of anyone getting injuried. By comparison heavy weight lifting, even with perfect form, is way more dangerous. I don't think barbell exercises against the clock are a problem when the resistance is so little.

That's one of the better Cross fit videos I've seen. Usually they are all doing really stupid stuff. Those kids actually look like they are maintaining good form. Someone trained them right.

[Retardo-pex]

As long as I can remember there have always been high interval circuit training. I know many college and professional sports programs have trainers use this style of training to prepare their athletes.

I would say most high level athletes such as MMA fighters use this type of training vs the body building style of training.

This style of training has been called many different names such as caveman training, circuit training, sports performance.

Its most common name today is cross fit.

My question is why has no one ever had a problem with this style of training in the past, when it was called something else. BUT now that it is called Cross fit people are hating on it like none other.

Whats with all the hate, there are many many people who have never worked out before who with Cross fit, there are so many successful weight loss stories because of cross fit.

Shouldn't the entire community of fitness enthusiast be happy that more people are becoming healthy and taking their physical well being more seriously?

What's your take, try not to be rude. I would like respectable answers not insults.

Thanks

I've never seen athletes do 30% olympic movements to exhaustion without knowing how to actually perform the exercise.

[UnknownPreacher]

Because today a crossfitter showed me his routine and when i saw calf raise 5x5 i stopped reading. What the ****

I thought you guys only follow WOD's

[Farley1324]

Because a lot of what crossfit does is ****ing retarded. This thread has explained some of it.

[wisdommaster1]

Crossfit coach checking in... this thread is new and exciting

[DorianJ]

That's one of the better Cross fit videos I've seen. Usually they are all doing really stupid stuff. Those kids actually look like they are maintaining good form. Someone trained them right.

But unfortunately this is common in every sport and gym. There are bad trainers and trainess and good trainers and trainees. How many times have you seen people deadlifting like idiots at your gym? Me? Countless. And you're more likely to get away with deadlifting 50 lbs against a clock with bad form than deadlifting 350 lbs for 6 reps with bad form. That's also why, injuries are more common in gyms than in Crossfit boxes