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    Unhappy Squats absolutely DESTROYED me today!

    So I am doing ICF 5x5 and like normal I took on my tri-weekly squats at the beginning of my workout like normal, only thing seemingly different was that I was using new weight plates that I had ordered the day prior.

    My progression of weight from my last workout was normal, but by the end of my 5 sets I was destroyed.

    brb vision was going blurry
    brb shaking like a heroin addict
    brb cold sweating and pale as hell

    What the hell happened guys? I have been doing this same program for like 5 week already and I always felt exerted after squats... but nothing like this... I had to lie down for like 30mins before I could continue with the rest of my workout :/
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    Youre a bish.. man up.
    *WK Kelly Rowland on sight crew*

    Dat dere sickening
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    Originally Posted by SquatTillSenile View Post
    Youre a bish.. man up.
    Ikr, feels like that...

    But bench was next and I was like almost blacking out doing it...

    Bishes don't mire decapitated mode
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    How long are you resting during your sets.

    This is also normal as you are pushing heavier and heavier weights...
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    How long are you resting during your sets.

    This is also normal as you are pushing heavier and heavier weights...
    I sorta ramp up my rest times within the 3 to 5min times Blaha recommends..
    3mins
    3min30s
    4min
    4min30s

    Should I should go for static rest times between all my sets?
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    Originally Posted by WontDieMirin View Post
    I sorta ramp up my rest times within the 3 to 5min times Blaha recommends..
    3mins
    3min30s
    4min
    4min30s

    Should I should go for static rest times between all my sets?
    No, take as long as you need to recover for the next set, even if it's longer than 5 minutes.

    Like I said, this is fairly normal on a strength program, you're pushing yourself and your CNS harder than you probably ever had before.
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    No, take as long as you need to recover for the next set, even if it's longer than 5 minutes.

    Like I said, this is fairly normal on a strength program, you're pushing yourself and your CNS harder than you probably ever had before.
    Okay, thanks a lot man
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    Originally Posted by WontDieMirin View Post
    I sorta ramp up my rest times within the 3 to 5min times Blaha recommends..
    ///vomit

    Blaha is a dumb@ss. He's only ever concerned with what other people are doing and most of his videos are callouts to anyone he slightly suspects of not being natty. He's fat and ugly and his bicep is smaller than most men's endowments. He needs to spend more time on the treadmill focusing on himself, instead of figuring out exactly what's wrong with everybody else besides himself.
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    Originally Posted by LadyLore420 View Post
    ///vomit

    Blaha is a dumb@ss. He's only ever concerned with what other people are doing and most of his videos are callouts to anyone he slightly suspects of not being natty. He's fat and ugly and his bicep is smaller than most men's endowments. He needs to spend more time on the treadmill focusing on himself, instead of figuring out exactly what's wrong with everybody else besides himself.
    while I hardly ever agree with anything you say...this is spot on. I can;t stand that fat bassturd,
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    How Much, and what were you eating? Could have been low on your sugar levels man!
    Im currently at a 300kcal surplus measured using MyFitnessPal, do you think I should increase this to 400? Or just leave it?
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    I was also thinking along the lines of going hypo.
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    Originally Posted by WontDieMirin View Post
    only thing seemingly different was that I was using new weight plates that I had ordered the day prior.
    Plates aren't always what they say they are. COULD have something to do with it. But honestly it's probably low blood sugar or something diet related.

    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    while I hardly ever agree with anything you say...this is spot on. I can;t stand that fat bassturd,
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    while I hardly ever agree with anything you say...this is spot on. I can;t stand that fat bassturd,
    whys this guy even known... Are his lifts good compared to other powerlifters? that he uses puppets in videos and people like that kind of thing? or his participation in the witch hunt for fake nattys? The rest of what he provides is basic..
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    Originally Posted by TJP33 View Post
    whys this guy even known... Are his lifts good compared to other powerlifters? that he uses puppets in videos and people like that kind of thing? or his participation in the witch hunt for fake nattys? The rest of what he provides is basic..
    Think he probably best know for calling out Layne Norton a few years back, which turned out REALLY bad for Blaha as he got sued in a UK court and lost to Layne big time. His lifts suck to other powerlifters, IMO.

    Also if you google his name he pretty much gets bashed from every fitness/lifting forum on the internet. From Tnation, simplyshredded, etc...and has been banned from gym and bb.com
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    Think he probably best know for calling out Layne Norton a few years back, which turned out REALLY bad for Blaha as he got sued in a UK court and lost to Layne big time. His lifts suck to other powerlifters, IMO.

    Also if you google his name he pretty much gets bashed from every fitness/lifting forum on the internet. From Tnation, simplyshredded, etc...and has been banned from gym and bb.com
    Ahhh so your saying he's perfectly qualified to be a youtube guru...
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    Originally Posted by TJP33 View Post
    Ahhh so your saying he's perfectly qualified to be a youtube guru...
    Pretty much.

    Its also not like his ICF is something ground breaking...It's stronglifts+ useless assistance work for a novice=OMG best. program.EVAR!

    Everyone that I see posting that runs ICF usually starts to complain that it takes too long to finish, up to 2 hours in the gym.
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    You gotta get your conditioning up, just keep at it, rest as long as you need to between sets, you shouldn't feel like you're about to pass out. You'll get more used to it over time as long as you work within your limits and keep at it.

    Also try carbing up before your session with a simple carb like fruit juice or a soda or something. There may be something to those hypoglycemic comments.
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    The fact that you were trying out the new weights I think was just a coincidence on the day, I'm also thinking blood sugar/pressure wasn't behaving properly. Hopefully it was a once off but I'd make sure I've got something in my stomach, especially as far as carbs go to keep you energized during the workout. If it happens again mate then a trip down to the Doc won't be a bad idea for safety sake.
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    Originally Posted by WontDieMirin View Post
    So I am doing ICF 5x5 and like normal I took on my tri-weekly squats at the beginning of my workout like normal, only thing seemingly different was that I was using new weight plates that I had ordered the day prior.

    My progression of weight from my last workout was normal, but by the end of my 5 sets I was destroyed.

    brb vision was going blurry
    brb shaking like a heroin addict
    brb cold sweating and pale as hell

    What the hell happened guys? I have been doing this same program for like 5 week already and I always felt exerted after squats... but nothing like this... I had to lie down for like 30mins before I could continue with the rest of my workout :/
    Low blood sugar? Maybe the weights you were using beforehand were on the low side and these new ones are a bit heavier ( most plates fall within a range around 45 lbs, they can be 42-47 depending on age use and manufacturer)'

    I wouldn't think a few lbs difference would kill you like this but it could be something completely unrelated like you are getting sick. I know if I have gone a long time without eating and go into a lower body session Squats make me feel sick and I get headaches/ feel like I'm going to puke etc, that's why I bring up the low blood sugar.
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    Originally Posted by WontDieMirin View Post
    So I am doing ICF 5x5 and like normal I took on my tri-weekly squats at the beginning of my workout like normal, only thing seemingly different was that I was using new weight plates that I had ordered the day prior.

    My progression of weight from my last workout was normal, but by the end of my 5 sets I was destroyed.

    brb vision was going blurry
    brb shaking like a heroin addict
    brb cold sweating and pale as hell

    What the hell happened guys? I have been doing this same program for like 5 week already and I always felt exerted after squats... but nothing like this... I had to lie down for like 30mins before I could continue with the rest of my workout :/
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    Wtf is this talk on blaha. YOu guys know its irrelevant and will just cause a chitstorm.


    OP, are you on caffiene or something? What is this squat weight? I'm gonna guess its caffiene. Play with your pre workout food if you eat any or not and reduce stims.
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    OP is on Blaha's 5x5. Brb before OP guts me for using bio-gro and tells me none of my hard work matters and everything I've ever done is pointless because I take some worthless chalk powder with next to no gastrointestinal absorption.

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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    Like I said, this is fairly normal on a strength program, you're pushing yourself and your CNS harder than you probably ever had before.
    CNS fluff is just that, fluff. Gabriel Malone started out in the beginning of summer with a 535lb max raw squat. He squatted every day, hitting a rep PR every workout and called it when he exceeded his lifetime goal of a 600lb raw squat by squatting 630lbs raw, easy, a 95lb jump in less than 4 months. He didn't post any crap about CNS fatique. Laura Rinke went from 240lbs to 300lbs max squat in less than 2 months with daily maxing out. I've been doing the same thing and haven't tested my max back squat, but I'm repping my old 1rm out easily and my front squat max has gone from 155lbs x 1 to 195lbs x 2 for a double.

    When people talk about CNS fatigue, they really just mean they're not eating, stretching, and sleeping enough to handle their current workload, or they're eating the wrong crap.

    Olympic athletes handle daily squatting till failure. Bulgarians manage it. John Broz founder of the BrozKNows gym in LV has his athletes max out every day on several different exercises, namely squat and whatever olympic lift, additionally his powerlifters max out bench and squat on a daily basis and he's sent many powerlifters to the national stage.

    Your body is lying and you're just nodding your head. CNS fatigue is a lie. Your body wasn't designed to exert itself once a week, it was designed to exert itself maximally every day. Would you settle for sex once a week? No, fuq that, I'd get divorced. You would gladly accept the workload of daily, rigorous, exhausting sex, which is no different from rigorous, exhausting exercise.
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    Originally Posted by LadyLore420 View Post
    CNS fluff is just that, fluff. Gabriel Malone started out in the beginning of summer with a 535lb max raw squat. He squatted every day, hitting a rep PR every workout and called it when he exceeded his lifetime goal of a 600lb raw squat by squatting 630lbs raw, easy, a 95lb jump in less than 4 months. He didn't post any crap about CNS fatique. Laura Rinke went from 240lbs to 300lbs max squat in less than 2 months with daily maxing out. I've been doing the same thing and haven't tested my max back squat, but I'm repping my old 1rm out easily and my front squat max has gone from 155lbs x 1 to 195lbs x 2 for a double.

    When people talk about CNS fatigue, they really just mean they're not eating, stretching, and sleeping enough to handle their current workload, or they're eating the wrong crap.

    Olympic athletes handle daily squatting till failure. Bulgarians manage it. John Broz founder of the BrozKNows gym in LV has his athletes max out every day on several different exercises, namely squat and whatever olympic lift, additionally his powerlifters max out bench and squat on a daily basis and he's sent many powerlifters to the national stage.

    Your body is lying and you're just nodding your head. CNS fatigue is a lie. Your body wasn't designed to exert itself once a week, it was designed to exert itself maximally every day. Would you settle for sex once a week? No, fuq that, I'd get divorced. You would gladly accept the workload of daily, rigorous, exhausting sex, which is no different from rigorous, exhausting exercise.
    That seems a bit oversimplified. Most people who max several times per week on a given exercise are doing so with very low volume per workout. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt most of those people are doing a 5x5 every day, unless they're lowering the intensity substantially. The OP is also not a pro and needs to get his conditioning up.

    It's horrible advice to tell the OP to just ignore his symptoms. Yeah, he needs to man up and stick with it, but he also needs to work within his limits, adopting adequate rest periods, making sure his preworkout nutrition is in check, handing a possibly problem with low blood sugar, etc. You're not supposed to feel like the OP reports he does between sets.
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    Originally Posted by Rasputin4 View Post
    That seems a bit oversimplified. Most people who max several times per week on a given exercise are doing so with very low volume per workout. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt most of those people are doing a 5x5 every day, unless they're lowering the intensity substantially. The OP is also not a pro and needs to get his conditioning up.

    It's horrible advice to tell the OP to just ignore his symptoms. Yeah, he needs to man up and stick with it, but he also needs to work within his limits, adopting adequate rest periods, making sure his preworkout nutrition is in check, handing a possibly problem with low blood sugar, etc. You're not supposed to feel like the OP reports he does between sets.
    Inb4 ladylore questions whether or not you squat 2x bodyweight.

    But yes, spot on post.
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    Originally Posted by Rasputin4 View Post
    That seems a bit oversimplified. Most people who max several times per week on a given exercise are doing so with very low volume per workout. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt most of those people are doing a 5x5 every day, unless they're lowering the intensity substantially. The OP is also not a pro and needs to get his conditioning up.

    It's horrible advice to tell the OP to just ignore his symptoms. Yeah, he needs to man up and stick with it, but he also needs to work within his limits, adopting adequate rest periods, making sure his preworkout nutrition is in check, handing a possibly problem with low blood sugar, etc. You're not supposed to feel like the OP reports he does between sets.
    You're correct about volume for most of us daily squatters, but not with others. Some choose to just go to a rep PR and call it, then go do their pulls, pushes, whatever. Others of us do our rep PR, a burnout, then do two hours of olympic lifting while shoving as much PB in our bellies as we can to fuel the efforts. I wasn't really addressing OP, I just get annoyed when people cite CNS as a limiting factor when it really isn't, it's a scapegoat to something else that's missing like calories, sleep, micronutrients, etc. Hell, I've even taken PWO's that left me feeling depleted of energy and nauseous.

    OP needs gatorade and peanut butter during workout, problem solved.
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    Originally Posted by LadyLore420 View Post
    You're correct about volume for most of us daily squatters, but not with others. Some choose to just go to a rep PR and call it, then go do their pulls, pushes, whatever. Others of us do our rep PR, a burnout, then do two hours of olympic lifting while shoving as much PB in our bellies as we can to fuel the efforts. I wasn't really addressing OP, I just get annoyed when people cite CNS as a limiting factor when it really isn't, it's a scapegoat to something else that's missing like calories, sleep, micronutrients, etc. Hell, I've even taken PWO's that left me feeling depleted of energy and nauseous.

    OP needs gatorade and peanut butter during workout, problem solved.
    Well, I get most of what you're saying, but I can think of a thread that was posted very recently in which the OP was doing a routine with too much volume of deadlifting conventional 2x per week and romanian once per week, if I recall, and was feeling overly tired and run down from his workouts. I can speak from personal experience that deadlifitng too often DOES overly tax the CNS. That said, I pull conventional and romanian both once per week. But especially with conventional, I feel 2x per week would be too much without having to take additional rest days. My deadlift tends to go up just fine once per week, anyway. There's a reason why you see a lot of advanced lifters only deadlifting once per week or even once every other week.
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