Supplements Under The Microscope #1: Amentoflavone

[Kuni123]

thx for the info, appreciated
using Uncut now, need BB to pick up AS and Komodo to try some of the others

[MillerTime07]

Wow, thanks for the write up. Looking forward to more of these in the future.

[VicMackey92]

Now, I just wait for amentomax to be here.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

I only trust 2% of what this cooper guy has to say.

[Danes]

Great post on the product so i can do some reading. But i do IMO think products shouldn't be listed.... As TP mentions it turns this into a company promo type thread.

More of these posts would be highly liked in my eyes.

I do agree to some point but i dont find it bad listing products which contains amenoflavone. Many people here are lazy and dont want to search which product contain amenoflavone.
He didnt just wrote PES Product. He wrote down all products containing the ingredient...

I do understand people are sceptical. Totaly agree but i dont feel this product has horrible claims like the new anabolic such as epicatechin (follidrone) where the owner claims 6 lbs weight after 10 days without increase in bf% and strength gains like using halotestin.
Those claims no matter which product it is, people should laugh.

3 of my friends have tried Amenoflavone and they liked it. Stength gains (nothing extreme but strength decreased when they was off),and good pumps

[bencarpenter]

I do agree to some point but i dont find it bad listing products which contains amenoflavone. Many people here are lazy and dont want to search which product contain amenoflavone.
He didnt just wrote PES Product. He wrote down all products containing the ingredient...

I do understand people are sceptical. Totaly agree but i dont feel this product has horrible claims like the new anabolic such as epicatechin (follidrone) where the owner claims 6 lbs weight after 10 days without increase in bf% and strength gains like using halotestin.
Those claims no matter which product it is, people should laugh.

3 of my friends have tried Amenoflavone and they liked it. Stength gains (nothing extreme but strength decreased when they was off),and good pumps

This pretty much hits the nail on the head.

In his previous articles, Cyrus has openly stated which companies sell certain ingredients, this always included competing companies.

Including it in the thread makes sense because it stops the swarm of inevitable replies from people asking which products contain it.

[mtpaquette]

Love me some Uncut.

So optimal dosing if I were to be taking Amentomax would be 2 caps prework out, but since there are other benefits should it be taken on off days also?

[Danes]

Love me some Uncut.

So optimal dosing if I were to be taking Amentomax would be 2 caps prework out, but since there are other benefits should it be taken on off days also?

1 hour before bed 8===D ~o ~o (Y )

[neuron]

Good post

[FatEars]

Of note, among other isoforms, Amentoflavone is also a PDE5 inhibitor (the target of drugs like Viagra), which ultimately results in vasodilation and can promote pumps during training.

I'm sold

[nugget5]

I remember when me and coop first started to talk about Amento when Dirk had put it into Uncut. Good times, good times.

Glad this ingredient started to get traction, I remember using it the first couple times and loved it. Maybe PES or another company might add it to a GDA-ish type of product?

either way, please lets keep this stuff going to teach more to the community and inform them of products that do contain these quality ingredients /rant

[raiders4life84]

I know there were quite a few questions in some threads lately, so this should be pretty helpful.

[unknowblood25]

Is this the type where you simply take it prior to lifting, like caffeine, or does it need to 'build up' like other supplements?

[DGarcia519]

Is this the type where you simply take it prior to lifting, like caffeine, or does it need to 'build up' like other supplements?

IIRC - it has cumulative effects from daily use, but it also has some acute effects, which is why people dose it pre-workout on training days.

[dtrain13]

This stuff is awesome and great post Coop.

[unknowblood25]

IIRC - it has cumulative effects from daily use, but it also has some acute effects, which is why people dose it pre-workout on training days.

I would imagine it would get pricey is dosing daily, no?

[DGarcia519]

I would imagine it would get pricey is dosing daily, no?

I've seen it for $20.99 a bottle which at the recommended dose (2 caps daily) is a 30 day supply. AS sometimes has it on sale for less. Not cheap but not super expensive since it has benefits outside of training - mood improvement for one. I know in another thread I asked about the benefits of dosing only on training days (3-4 days a week) and was told you would get many of the benefits, though not necessarily to the full extent.

[v1t3k]

New product coming by ANS called DLATE, will contain "50mg of another trademarked ingredient AmentoPump"

"ANS confirming presumably per serving 2g of HydraMax, 1.5g of l-citrulline, 500mg of Agmapure agmatine sulfate, 50mg of another trademarked ingredient AmentoPump, and a few other unlisted ingredients"

AmentoPumpTM is the novel branded ingredient produced by GENABOLIX. It is refined Amentoflavone by ethanol extraction from crude Selaginella tamariscina extract.

Should be interesting

[DGarcia519]

New product coming by ANS called DLATE, will contain "50mg of another trademarked ingredient AmentoPump"

"ANS confirming presumably per serving 2g of HydraMax, 1.5g of l-citrulline, 500mg of Agmapure agmatine sulfate, 50mg of another trademarked ingredient AmentoPump, and a few other unlisted ingredients"

AmentoPumpTM is the novel branded ingredient produced by GENABOLIX. It is refined Amentoflavone by ethanol extraction from crude Selaginella tamariscina extract.

Should be interesting

Sounds interesting. I'm also expecting/hoping to see amentoflavone included in PES apparently upcoming PWO.

[VicMackey92]

I've seen it for $20.99 a bottle which at the recommended dose (2 caps daily) is a 30 day supply. AS sometimes has it on sale for less. Not cheap but not super expensive since it has benefits outside of training - mood improvement for one. I know in another thread I asked about the benefits of dosing only on training days (3-4 days a week) and was told you would get many of the benefits, though not necessarily to the full extent.

for strength you only need to dose it on training days

[JSClen]

this is a good idea: a fairly non-technical breakdown of its benefits and the products that contain it.

if these "Under the Microscope" pieces take off (and it would be nice if they did), they would become a gathering point for info, and would benefit from compiling different theories as to dosing and combinations (ie. recent study X has shown that taking 200 mg a day prior to working out, and in concert with yohimbine, ephedrine, forskolin, enhances results by Omega Percent... you get the drift)

you see a dozen different dosing questions every week on the same ingredients... a one-stop shop for dosing discussion would be a godsend. even if dosing has been conclusively dealt with in a thread in the science section, maybe a sticky thread with links to the individual ingredient master threads, and in those master threads, a summary of all the major points that have come up in the thread so far.

A lot of work, but might save work in the long run

[vegravelsesnatt]

So what is the upper limit dosage range with this stuff?

[ChrisLS8]

Fantastic write up as usual Coop. If you want could you add ANS Dilate as a product using amentoflavone?

[eatyourspinach]

Fantastic write up as usual Coop. If you want could you add ANS Dilate as a product using amentoflavone?

It does? http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/an...ce/dilate.html

[dtrain13]

It does? http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/an...ce/dilate.html

Thats the previous version. The new powdered version was just announced today.

[v1t3k]

Thats the previous version. The new powdered version was just announced today.

When it will be available?

[xLGx]

So what is the upper limit dosage range with this stuff?

I'd think anything above 120-160mg would be to high of a cost-benefit ratio.

[ebunch12]

Nice write-up Coop

[dtrain13]

When it will be available?

Shortly. We've had an ongoing beta testing over the last month with great feedback. Product and samples are on the way from what I've been told.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Thanks again everyone. ANS Dilate has been added. I'm hoping to do one of these every week. As for amentoflavone dosing, I think preworkout only is best for strength gains; daily dosing may confer better fat loss/insulin sensitivity, especially as part of a b2 agonist + forskolin stack as highlighted in the article