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Thread: Leg press vs squat
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08-21-2014, 01:02 PM #61
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08-21-2014, 01:02 PM #62
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Squats are considered a compound exercise because it not only works your quads, but your core and back as well. Doing more compound exercises will get you bigger quicker than just focusing on one muscle group at a time. Thats not to discredit leg press though, because in all honestly I get a hell of a lot of a better pump from doing leg presses
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08-21-2014, 01:11 PM #63
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08-21-2014, 01:14 PM #64"There are no victims, only volunteers. You volunteer by looking uncertain and afraid. You volunteer by being, as grass-eaters invariably are, unprepared to confront the hazards of life." - Col. Jeff Cooper
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08-21-2014, 01:19 PM #65
It is a possibility, but to say that it wouldn't grow with flys and cable flys is not logical.
It might grow faster if you were to do compound movements, but there's no such thing as an exercise that "keeps that mass", whatever exercise you're doing, if the muscle fibres follows the protocol of "muscle growth" (including nutrition, of course), whatever it may be, then it'll grow.
What you're comparing is the effectiveness on a set period of time, but to say that it doesn't make them grow, is not logical.
That would also imply that Dorian stopped gaining leg size after he stopped squatting.
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08-21-2014, 01:20 PM #66
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You dont seem to understand that squatting correctly will do more to strengthen connective tissue, reduce injuries and improve health than it will to hurt you. Do people who push themselves to limit for competition get injured? Yes. Do old age powerlifters and very, very heavy squatters have bad knees? Probably, but none of us will get near those numbers or train that hard, so your worry about squats hurting you is just silly and based on a lack of info and bad argument.
The leg press can be effective, especially for someone with a legitimate reason not to squat. But the squat is the better movement for leg development, health and performance.
And most people can do it, they either pussy out because its hard or they cant be bothered to stretch and practice techique for a month to be able to get into the safe position.
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08-21-2014, 01:34 PM #67"There are no victims, only volunteers. You volunteer by looking uncertain and afraid. You volunteer by being, as grass-eaters invariably are, unprepared to confront the hazards of life." - Col. Jeff Cooper
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08-21-2014, 01:38 PM #68
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08-21-2014, 01:44 PM #69
And you kinda proved it in your post?
Any sort of muscle stimulation via exercise is going to "keep" the muscle. Maybe I should have said maintain. A lot of guys also don't free squat because of the effects it can have making your midsection and lower abdominal areas blocky.
I don't really have a great answer for you. There are so many factors:
- Genetics
- How they structure their nutrition around leg day
- Being able to focus on certain muscles vs others
So yeah, I dunno? It's a good question to ask. In the end you typically see a lot of guys early in their career squatting. As they get older, they move away from it."There are no victims, only volunteers. You volunteer by looking uncertain and afraid. You volunteer by being, as grass-eaters invariably are, unprepared to confront the hazards of life." - Col. Jeff Cooper
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08-21-2014, 01:51 PM #70
I'm not following what you're saying.
I proved my point, yes, not his.
The point is that any muscle stimulation via exercise can also "grow" the muscle.
If I never did any squats and I my legs grew in muscle size by 5 inches on the course of 3 years, just by doing leg presses, that means that not squatting does not put my growth on hiatus.
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08-21-2014, 01:56 PM #71
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08-21-2014, 01:58 PM #72
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08-21-2014, 02:20 PM #73
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08-21-2014, 02:21 PM #74
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08-21-2014, 05:23 PM #75
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08-21-2014, 05:50 PM #76
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08-21-2014, 08:33 PM #77
I started wearing a belt at 275lbs. I pulled 405 for Deadlifts without ever wearing a belt, I couldn't get comfortable wearing one, it just slips up my waist. I was fine with my lower back until about 335lbs or so and "toughed" it out to 355lbs at which point my lower back was feeling like **** on the regular. It was enough for me. Haven't had similar issues until recently doing SDL's, I think my worksets are at 310lbs now and after the previous exercises my lower back is tired as fuk. I'm all ears for a solution.
Most people who work an office job suffer from issues, like improper lower back engagement - among a plethora of other things. Unfortunately, going to visit a doctor / PT / chiro doesn't yield them giving any answers or solutions - they want to "treat" it, not solve it.
I'd happily squat if my lower back wouldn't go to ****. That said, I bust my arse every leg day and limp out of the gym empty of energy. I have 4 flights of stairs to walk to go from the gym to the train platform. I usually either end up laughing at my piss poor walking or wincing. No doubt, my legs are getting a solid workout - which is a small part of the equation, rest and recovery are actually more important.It's not about where you are today, but what you're doing right now, to build a better you for tomorrow. - Me
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08-21-2014, 09:32 PM #78
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My last leg workout that I squatted was about 3 weeks ago... I reached my last work set of 405. I was aiming for 8 reps which I completed. On my 7th rep I felt a tweak in the left side of my lower back. I was able to finish my leg work out, I had planned to also work my shoulders that day, but My back had stiffened and I could not. About a week past and I was feeling better, was working on biceps, on my last set of barbell curls I re-aggravated my lower back; freaking barbell curls lol. Anyway, since then, my lower back has felt better, the pain started at the left lumbar, but has since radiated to behind my left glute and slightly down my left hamstring... I had set a goal for myself of reaching and surpassing my PR of 500 that I performed in my mid to late twenties. Now my priorities have changed, don't think that I will ever squat more then 315 ever again. The back pain was excruciating, and I had to take a few days off from work because of it. I'm 37, I want to be able train for the rest of my life, chasing personal best is not the way to do so. I will start doing more hack squats and higher reps with a lot less weight on the squat. I still prefer them over leg presses, but I also do leg presses, the leg press also tends to round out your back if you go full legs to chest on your ROM.
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08-21-2014, 11:36 PM #79
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08-22-2014, 12:14 AM #80
All I am saying is that everyone is different and people should go with what their body is telling them and also take into consideration their goals. But saying you HAVE TO squat or you are being a wuss is silly.
You CAN grow muscle doing other exercises. And while the squat is an amazing exercise, it is not a MUST in a workout regimen like many make it out to be.
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08-22-2014, 12:41 AM #81
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08-22-2014, 05:38 AM #82
I hurt my lower back training jiujitsu. I had pain most of the time, not only training, and I couldnt squat or DL more than a plate each side without a lot of pain and back stiffeness after. I fixed it by strengthening my lower back mainly by squatting and deadlifting with a belt. In theory it doesn't make much sense, but by using it I was able to lift much heavier weights and indirectly my lower back got stronger while doing it.
Of course I didnt rush things, it took a loong time, sometimes I would add like 4 pounds to my squat and my lower back would complain, the whole process took like a year.
After my hernia surgery I only squat beltless.
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08-22-2014, 06:05 AM #83
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08-22-2014, 06:09 AM #84
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For muscle growth, per the individual, it probably dosent matter too much. Your legs will probably grow equally for both exercises, but the answers which works their legs better will always be skewed by which one and individual thinks works better. Id also say, depending on what your leverages are like, one may or may not work better then the other. Leverages probably have a huge influence on which one is safer as well.
I used to not leg press so much until I started pressing with my butt about two inches off the pad, it improved my leverages and reduced the tension Id get on my knees from bottoming out on full ROM.4% shredded with striated!
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08-22-2014, 06:12 AM #85
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