Do not major in engineering?

[morrison816]

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...gineering.html


Is ^ that OP just butt hurt because he can't do engineering, or is he making a viable argument?

Starting engineering next year, shee-it

Cliffs:
"As an engineer
1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.
2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas
3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.
4) the hours will be excessively long
5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work
6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners
7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you
8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job
9) you're NOT going to get into management
10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year"

[tehczar]

The richest man in the world, Carlos Slim is an engineer + entrepreneur, its probably the latter that made him rich through. You decide.

[Askalon]

If you ENJOY engineering then do that, if not, don't do it. Its that simple.

[Spartan#x]

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...gineering.html


Is ^ that OP just butt hurt because he can't do engineering, or is he making a viable argument?

Starting engineering next year, shee-it

Cliffs:
As an engineer
1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.
2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas
3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.
4) the hours will be excessively long
5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work
6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners
7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you
8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job
9) you're NOT going to get into management
10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year

Totally wrong. I work for a global engineering/construction management firm.

Almost all Vice Presidents (there are like 150 of them) come from an engineering background. Most Project Managers come from an engineering background. Started in the disciplines and worked their way up. PM salaries here are around $150-185k.

Hours are M-F 9 to 5. With an Engineering degree you can literally work just about anywhere in the world, that argument is absolutely asinine.

I'm currently working on 3 LNG projects. 2 of the lead Chemical Engineers are women, and young at that. Under 30. 3 of the 5 new Chemical Engineers that hired on are girls.


That guy is an idiot.

Full disclosure: I studied Construction Management, but wish I would have studied an engineering discipline.

[JRJester]

while many of those are true, engineering is still a decent career path.

[Nitsua24]

If you ENJOY engineering then do that, if not, don't do it. Its that simple.

Winner

[Stomwin]

Bro if you have a degree in engineering, you have proven that you are great at problem solving, can study, can learn new things, can work in teams, you are good at science and maths. You can get a phucking job in anything.

[exo1]

As an engineer
1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.
2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas
3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.
4) the hours will be excessively long
5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work
6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners
7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you
8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job
9) you're NOT going to get into management
10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year

lol @ 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10

4 - fair enough, some companies do this but they pay good money so it's worth it
5- better to work with men if you want to focus on your job (no homo)

[AZliftbrah]

Number 5 is true, the rest are retty much bullchit

[fcb1012]

1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.
True

2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas
Why do you want to explore and waste time?

3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.
False

4) the hours will be excessively long
Work? Yes it can be true, depends on the company and job. This can be said with any career. I have been working for 2.5 years and have worked more than 40 hours maybe 5 weeks total.

5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work
Somewhat true

6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners
False, do not have 1 foreigner in our group. Maybe because most work here requires U.S citizenship.

7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you
Maybe once you get about 5-7 years of experience your pay want jump as much but you could easily
Be sitting at 100k by then.

8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job
False

9) you're NOT going to get into management
If you really want to you could probably. The more I work as an engineer if don't really know if I would even want to go into management. A lot of the engineering fun will be gone then.

10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year
False. Never will happen. And this was written 6 years ago and engineers are still going strong.

[rubinkazan]

lol there are more women then men taking engineering courses in the UK. statement 5) is invalid

[bcaas4chalk]

If I was doing a job like engineering, I'd like to have it male dominated.

****, bitches phuk with my head enough sometimes at work and I **** up sometimes. Like hell I'd want that happening with a job like Engineering.

[ctownballer04]

Engineering hours are bad? Tell that guy to go get an investment banking job smh..

[AZliftbrah]

My take on it, source I have a degree in mechanical engineering and work as an engineering project manager

1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.

Maybe, I had tons of fun in college. Since I love mechanical engineering my classes were very enjoyable. I also participated in althletic and outdoor clubs.

2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas

False, I explored my academic areas through elective courses, photography, welding etc...

3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.

You can get an engineering job just about anywhere in the civilized world.

4) the hours will be excessively long

Sometimes, but the pay is usually worth it.

5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work

This is true, but not necessarily a bad thing, lol

6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners

Most of my coworkers are american.

7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you

It takes about 7-10 years to top out where I am at, then you can go into management.

8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job

This is true about most careers

9) you're NOT going to get into management

See response on #7

10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year

Just not true.

[morrison816]

7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you

It takes about 7-10 years to top out where I am at, then you can go into management.

So does going into management mean your salary can't top out basically?

[Lolzing]

that is from 2006 which is 28 years ago

also i dont know man, but if you enjoy engineering, why not? because some ******* on a forum say it's chit?

btw how is number 5 a bad thing? phuck the sloots bruh, inb4 feminism

[whatbrah]

The richest man in the world, Carlos Slim is an engineer + entrepreneur, its probably the latter that made him rich through. You decide.

The richest man in the world in 2014 is Bill Gates, you dumb phuck.

[exo1]

So does going into management mean your salary can't top out basically?

It tops out when you top out brah! You can always take on bigger, tougher projects, work in large companies, seek out opportunities...

[whatbrah]

Engineering is not for everyone.

[jerkeife]

Sounds like the OP is butt-hurt to me.

[morrison816]

Oh and in general how long does project manager/VP take?

[Jungo]

written by an arts major

[brownj12]

"As an engineer
1) you will miss out on a lot of fun in college, forsaking some of the best years of your life.
2) you will miss the best chance you'll have to explore academic areas
3) you will be limited to working in a few major cities.
4) the hours will be excessively long
5) you will be surrounded primarily by men at work
6) many if not most of your coworkers are going to be foreigners
7) your salary will top out early and those liberal-arts majors will catch and pass you
8) by the time you're in your 30's you will be worried about keeping a job
9) you're NOT going to get into management
10) the long-term outlook for engineers grows more dismal each year"

1.) College was amazing, I didn't miss out on anything, still graduated with a good GPA, and multiple job offers.
2.) May be valid, but that is the case with most worthwhile majors. If you want to take a variety of classes in college, you aren't going to have the depth of knowledge in one area that you need.
3.) Not true at all, I had 3 offers out of college, One in Boston, One in a small city in Central VA, and one in BumFcuk Iowa. There are engineering jobs every where. My friends from college are all over the country, in big cities, and smaller towns.
4.) Most weeks I work 8-5, occasionally I will work long hour. If I work long hours I accumulate comp time, then I either take time off when it slows back down, or they pay me extra at the end f the year.
5.) True, if you work for an engineering company, if you work in a company that spends a lot on marketing then you will find other departments are female heavy.
6.) Depends on the company, I don't work with any one foreign right now.
7.) Pay scale, even if I stay on the technical side will not level out until I have 20+ years experience. There are no non-technical people in my company that make more than I do on Salary. Some sales people do on commission, all of upper management has an engineering background.
8.) Even during bad economic times no tech people get cut before tech people do. Every one I know in Engineering gets emails on a regular basis from head hunters and recruiters. There are way more jobs out there then there are engineers.
9.) Every one in management in my company has an Engineering background. Unless you are going into business at a top 25 Bus. School you will not get into management positions on a better pay scale than engineers do.
10.) This goes against every study I have seen, Tech jobs keep opening. There are tons of jobs out there. It is much easier to farm out manufacturing, HR, Accounting etc, than it is to farm out skilled engineering design work.

[brownj12]

Oh and in general how long does project manager/VP take?

Impossible to tell, depends on the company, some companies you can be a project manager right out of school/with a couple of years experience. Others require 10+ years. VP is even harder to predict, at that point it has nothing to do with experience, more to do with management style, skills, and fit.

[smallbonesjones]

What a *******. Im not an engineering major but using your own personal experience to dissuade others into going into a field is bogus. Many people have had success and would not choose anything else to do over engineering. It is totally possible to have an life outisde of engineering school, and if you put things into perspective its only 4 short years of your life if you do things properly. You won't get into management if you aren't good at what you do and lack communication skills.

[lilbdabasedgod]

Computer engineering major checking in

Thinking about changing my major

Not because if this thread, though. I just don't think I would enjoy the classes/the career.

[Starjun]

the guy is a potato. The hours are nowhere near as bad as other high paying jobs. Comparing school life to students with no job prospects when they graduate, ok jeff

[JMAG90]

This guy is most likely a complete idiot.

I got a degree in engineering but took a job in a completely unrelated field (consulting). This was easy because I had an impressive technical major. My coworkers are primarily women my age, I work 6-8 hour days, college was not as difficult as he makes it sound, and I can work in any city in the world for my company (srs).

Cliffs: those points are all bull****

[morrison816]

Impossible to tell, depends on the company, some companies you can be a project manager right out of school/with a couple of years experience. Others require 10+ years. VP is even harder to predict, at that point it has nothing to do with experience, more to do with management style, skills, and fit.

Ah ok makes sense

[-Fletch-]

Number 8 is actually a legit point for some of the engineering disciplines. The rest are either meaningless or stuff you could say about almost any field.