Death of Eric Garner Ruled a HOMICIDE by Medical Examiner (NYPD chokehold case)

[beastmodemike]

That kind of force should be a last resort. Sounds like you're just looking for the slightest provocation to assault people.

You have an aggressive stance in your avi... Be careful bro.

[2StepsFromHell]

Yeah, your argument might be valid if the guy was resisting on the ground. Only one problem- he is clearly not resisting once the guy has him down- outstretched hands, not tussling or fighting or anything. He could have been cuffed easily. How about you watch the video and use logic instead of blindly supporting the cops? It would be respectable if other officers condoned the actions of this officer, but comments like yours just make me lose more faith in the system.



Yeah, his airway wasn't completely obstructed so he could gurgle some words out with his last few breaths. This isn't a time for arguing semantics; the guy was being choked. What the f*ck don't you understand?



Resisted for a second and was compliant and not resisting on the ground. The cop is the one who escalated it from being a routine booking to a f*cking homicide.



Yeah, if it's a life threatening situation you can do it and nobody will say boo to it either.



Split second decision my ass, it was a prolonged choke until the guy passed out and died.

Literally NONE of your arguments are logical. Did you even watch the video or are you just blindly siding with the cop? It scares me to death that unintelligent people like you can have so much power over me.

I did watch the video. About the time he hit the ground I couldnt really see chit except a bunch of officers around. Maybe I missed the outstretched hand part.

He wasn't gurgling, his speech was clear as a bell to me. This is a pretty standard technique that people resisting arrest will do though, especially if there is a camera around to try and get some leverage in court and/or get some space in order to continue fighting.

He didn't die right away. After it was discovered he was in fact choking, they let up. He was seizing so he clearly wasn't choked until he died.

I'm sorry you don't have faith in the system. If it makes you feel any better, I dont either sometimes. I don't think cops are perfect, but I honestly dont see too much wrong with this situation. It's unfortunate he died to be sure. But I think it's way to early to basically conclude that the cops were wrong. I don't expect to change your mind. I just wish more citizens could experience a situation like this. I feel like it would be eye opening. No hard feelings.

[wheyman12]

400lb morbidly obese man with asthma / breathing problems shouldnt be struggling or resisting arrest


inb4 he wasnt resisting.

[Vikingblood666]

Didn't he die of a heart attack?

[hostelmaniac]

Moving his hands away and asking not to be touched wow strong resisting
What a joke

That kind of force should be a last resort. Sounds like you're just looking for the slightest provocation to assault people.

Cops should brush up on their conversational skills. Would have completely avoided this whole situation

God forbid you talk to someone like a human being and not just jump on their back and choke them to death

[Come at me bro]

Cops should brush up on their conversational skills. Would have completely avoided this whole situation

God forbid you talk to someone like a human being and not just jump on their back and choke them to death

But how will you handle the kid who didn't pay his bus fare because he's broke because he pays 30% of his 20k salary so cops can enjoy 90k a year, surely that person is a threat having no weapons while you only carry 5 or 6 deadly weapons as a cop.

[hostelmaniac]

But how will you handle the kid who didn't pay his bus fare because he's broke because he pays 30% of his 20k salary so cops can enjoy 90k a year, surely that person is a threat having no weapons while you only carry 5 or 6 deadly weapons as a cop.

I think they make about half of that. (in indiana) not sure about new york tho, probably like 50-60k

[Vikingblood666]

But how will you handle the kid who didn't pay his bus fare because he's broke because he pays 30% of his 20k salary so cops can enjoy 90k a year, surely that person is a threat having no weapons while you only carry 5 or 6 deadly weapons as a cop.

starting wage for nypd is 34,970 salary.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/faq/faq_police.shtml

[hiimnotcool]

been physically assaulted by cops crew....

[memcop]

Looks as though he'll be charged, more than likely with some kind of manslaughter (which is not 2nd degree murder OP) and have a jury trial. I don't see 12 coming to the conclusion that the officer intended to kill Garner with his actions.

I love how you turds will jump on a band wagon without reason to hate on the police to suit your view. I sincerely hope that anytime a choke-hold or grabbing around the neck is used by anyone police or not that the attempted murder charge is applied. But that doesnt make much sense does it?

If they over charge as they usually do with something like 2nd degree murder, he'll def walk. Then get his job back.

[Achilles87]

Cops should brush up on their conversational skills. Would have completely avoided this whole situation

God forbid you talk to someone like a human being and not just jump on their back and choke them to death

You think it'd be common fuking sense no?

Unless you've just got a hard on for beating people up

[AirJordanB]

He wouldn't be dead if he complied with the police officers.

/thread

[adamsz]

Feel so bad for the 99% of cops that don't do chit like this and are decent people.

[MinisterOfLust]

Cops make 90k in New York now I think after a short couple of years or something.

[Come at me bro]

starting wage for nypd is 34,970 salary.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/faq/faq_police.shtml

Yeah and shoots up to like 75k, then you got overtime, holiday, Doublepay etc etc

Then you get half pension and get to retire at 20 years

[hiimnotcool]

Looks as though he'll be charged, more than likely with some kind of manslaughter (which is not 2nd degree murder OP) and have a jury trial. I don't see 12 coming to the conclusion that the officer intended to kill Garner with his actions.

I love how you turds will jump on a band wagon without reason to hate on the police to suit your view. I sincerely hope that anytime a choke-hold or grabbing around the neck is used by anyone police or not that the attempted murder charge is applied. But that doesnt make much sense does it?

If they over charge as they usually do with something like 2nd degree murder, he'll def walk. Then get his job back.

sensible. honestly, do you think that officer will have a hit out for him? dont really know how it works but in the city its very possible.

he will probably get his job back and not serve any time but he is still a monstrous *******. very srs.

[2StepsFromHell]

Yeah and shoots up to like 75k, then you got overtime, holiday, Doublepay etc etc

Then you get half pension and get to retire at 20 years

Why don't you do it then?

Btw saw your post a ways back. That 3 weeks leave with pay is only while it's being investigated. If found guilty then the real punishment will start. People always just hear about the paid admin leave and think that's all that happens, it's not. Just wanted to clear that up.

[beastmodemike]

Looks as though he'll be charged, more than likely with some kind of manslaughter (which is not 2nd degree murder OP) and have a jury trial. I don't see 12 coming to the conclusion that the officer intended to kill Garner with his actions.

I love how you turds will jump on a band wagon without reason to hate on the police to suit your view. I sincerely hope that anytime a choke-hold or grabbing around the neck is used by anyone police or not that the attempted murder charge is applied. But that doesnt make much sense does it?

If they over charge as they usually do with something like 2nd degree murder, he'll def walk. Then get his job back.

I'm rational and exercise discretion on a case by case basis; I agree that jumping on the bandwagon to hate on police is stupid. Obviously you know my opinion about this situation, but I don't hate cops in general, it's just that seeing things like this really irks me. That being said, I think it's also a two way street. I don't think cops should blindly defend other cops actions based on the brotherhood mentality or the fact that they know the day to day things that cops see that go largely unnoticed in everyday society.

[Come at me bro]

Why don't you do it then?

Btw saw your post a ways back. That 3 weeks leave with pay is only while it's being investigated. If found guilty then the real punishment will start. People always just hear about the paid admin leave and think that's all that happens, it's not. Just wanted to clear that up.

Don't get me wrong I respect cops..it's a hell of a job and a responsibility and whatnot it's just that most of them can't handle it, most of them don't respect the job or the honor and the law, and in today's afermitive action age where the color of your skin or your race or nationality will get you a job before your qualifications (to dervesify) a lot of cops shouldn't even be cops in the first place

In NYC it's 20 years and out with half pension with benefits for life and it starts at 35k, goes to 75k and you can easily get to 90k or more, seems like a gig that a lot of people would want even if they don't want to actually be a cop and they hate the job

I'd be miserable for 40 hours a week for 20 years if it means I get to collect 50k a year for the remaining 50 years or so of my life for nothing

[GhostRider111]

First let me preface this by saying I do not like the police. I have my own personal reasons but lets just say I am not their biggest fan, not even close.

That being said, he WAS resisting arrest. He did not comply with anything the officers were asking him to do UNTIL he was on the ground.

I timed it. He was in a chokehold for 14 seconds. Long enough to suffocate him? I don't think so. Sure, he could have had his windpipe crushed that would cut off his oxygen, but the guy was talking and he wasn't weazing. To me that tells me he was getting air.

This was an unfortunate series of events that led to this mans death. From resisting, to the brief choke hold, and last but probably most importantly, the mans severe obesity, asthma, and poor heart condition.

Should there be a murder charge? No.

[memcop]

I'm rational and exercise discretion on a case by case basis; I agree that jumping on the bandwagon to hate on police is stupid. Obviously you know my opinion about this situation, but I don't hate cops in general, it's just that seeing things like this really irks me. That being said, I think it's also a two way street. I don't think cops should blindly defend other cops actions based on the brotherhood mentality or the fact that they know the day to day things that cops see that go largely unnoticed in everyday society.

I agree, I dont blindly defend anyone. I speak from experience on the police end. The guy committed a policy violation which compounds things into criminal charges for himself. In this particular case sure it looks bad and he'll have to face the justice system due to his actions now that the medical ruling is in. Big dude with health problems, in my experience I dont see a conviction, better they plea to a lesser charge and be done with it.

[memcop]

First let me preface this by saying I do not like the police. I have my own personal reasons but lets just say I am not their biggest fan, not even close.

That being said, he WAS resisting arrest. He did not comply with anything the officers were asking him to do UNTIL he was on the ground.

I timed it. He was in a chokehold for 14 seconds. Long enough to suffocate him? I don't think so. Sure, he could have had his windpipe crushed that would cut off his oxygen, but the guy was talking and he wasn't weazing. To me that tells me he was getting air.

This was an unfortunate series of events that led to this mans death. From resisting, to the brief choke hold, and last but probably most importantly, the mans severe obesity, asthma, and poor heart condition.

Should there be a murder charge? No.

I'm of a very similar opinion but it's just blind police loyalty.

[2StepsFromHell]

Don't get me wrong I respect cops..it's a hell of a job and a responsibility and whatnot it's just that most of them can't handle it, most of them don't respect the job or the honor and the law, and in today's afermitive action age where the color of your skin or your race or nationality will get you a job before your qualifications (to dervesify) a lot of cops shouldn't even be cops in the first place

For sure bro. Definitely some folks in my dept that I wonder about sometimes. Still, I've yet to meet a cop though that would willingly kill someone cause they think they can get away with it. Most of us are scared to death of situations like this because we all understand how it looks to the general population. I guess I can argue til I'm blue in the face but people need a villain. Just having a hard time accepting the fact that the villain is probably going to be me, deserved or not. Cheers m8.

[hiimnotcool]

would still think it was funny if a cop was arresting you and you said 'u mad bro?' and the cop said 'aware...do you even lift?' would tell the cop 'repped' and then go to jail...thats what i think when i see leo's on here.

[nine151]

Who would have thought that resisting arrest is a bad idea?

[memcop]

would still think it was funny if a cop was arresting you and you said 'u mad bro?' and the cop said 'aware...do you even lift?' would tell the cop 'repped' and then go to jail...thats what i think when i see leo's on here.

I misc jargoned with my boy rhudy901 when I detained him for splitting a guys wig. I miss that guy.

[94beastmode]

I didn't in anything about this till now but this video just pisses me off what did he do for the officers to use force lmao

[seanb1979]

Maybe American cops are different idk but everytime I had to deal with cops in Canada they all seemed pretty good. Maybe if I wasn't a white guy in Canada it would be different.

Also the reason we all see so much now is because every person in USA has a cellphone with a camera.

in smaller towns they mostly seem alright... seems to be random places and big cities that have the worst cops

[hiimnotcool]

I misc jargoned with my boy rhudy901 when I detained him for splitting a guys wig. I miss that guy.

lmao thats awesome. well, i negged you before i saw that so i guess i'll be in the deep red soon. anways, you seem like a chill cop. met a few before. was at at the jay z beyonce concert with a sheriff buddy with an open bottle of vodka in his car and he was speeding....was wondering why he'd allow it and he just laughed and said 'dont get caught'. he was NOT drinking.

[MasterpieceMesias]

it's pointless to argue with these moronic cops..there was no reason for 6 of those fat pigs to jump on him once he was on the ground. ANYTHING you do, even as simple as asking a question..can be termed as 'resisting arrest'.

just be happy that these retard cops will live their lives getting off on what little power they have while they try to validate their pathetic existence by hurting innocent people, and not ever achieve anything meaningful.

There is a reason why this police brutality occurs so often in America, and not in Canada, Germany, France, Holland, other developed countries etc....(inb4 miscers post one event) it happens every other week in Murica. It's because these cops were losers from the start, and other cops all rush to defend the accused regardless of it being clear on ****ing VIDEO.

That cop who murdered the guy should get a life sentence.

but he won't