Your thoughts on body slammin' Jesse Ventura

[NorwichGrad]

I just lost all respect for this dude.. He dishonors all SEALs, all members of the Special Operations community, and all who wear the uniform..


http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/3...6pLid%3D508819

[Old-Time-Lifter]

I think it's a fine idea...

[ajdahlheimer]

I'd like to body slam him just for being a terrible governor of my state.....

[Wayne Evans]

Well....

IMO....
I guess I'm not the brightest bulb but from what I've read about this on the news lately I don't know what to believe from either one.
I do know this....I would not write a book to include making negative comments disrespecting those (especially SEALS) that had the courage to give the feds a blank check and serve honorably.

Guess I'm only good for a bump.

Carry on....

[ajdahlheimer]

That really wasn't what it was about, Wayne. There was an outcry from the public for Jesse to drop his lawsuit after the author was murdered. You know, the right thing to do. He could have and chose not to. That's why he needs to get slammed.

[Wayne Evans]

That really wasn't what it was about, Wayne. There was an outcry from the public for Jesse to drop his lawsuit after the author was murdered. You know, the right thing to do. He could have and chose not to. That's why he needs to get slammed.

Got it....thanks for educating me on this one.
I was not aware of the details you note above.

Some greenz on the way....

[chodan9]

We dont know if he said it or not.

He claims he did not and had witnesses who were able to back him up, and he was able to convince a jury.
He is a former SEAL himself and claims to have a high regard for current and past military.

we only have a dead mans word that its true.
he started the suit before the guy died.

I would want to clear my name if I were him, but I would hate to be suing the estate of someone who had died like that also.

[ajdahlheimer]

I would want to clear my name if I were him, but I would hate to be suing the estate of someone who had died like that also.

Going through with the lawsuit essentially soiled his name FURTHER than if he had dropped the defamation suit and the story were left in the book, one could argue, anyway.

[superb74]

I'd like to body slam him just for being a terrible governor of my state.....

x2...

If he really wants to restore his reputation, he would not accept any monies from this lawsuit..

[Cleveland33]

I don't understand why he is in the wrong just because the author was killed. The suit was filed before Kyle's death and I am sure the Ventura story drove book sales quite a bit.

What Kyle claimed he said is completely out of character of Ventura and I can't blame him for wanting the story corrected.

And it was the jury that determined what the defamation cost him.

[FlaIronMind]

Doubtful that Kyle could have substantively defamed Ventura any more than Ventura has already sunk his own reputation through his actions and statements these past many years. That said, he won the suit. Assuming it's not appealed and the monies are paid, it would be respectable if Ventura donates it, perhaps across many organizations - USO, Wounded Warriors, Intrepid Fallen Heroes, Fisher House, etc.

[ajdahlheimer]

I don't understand why he is in the wrong just because the author was killed.

Just out of common decency. You really want to bankrupt a widow w/children over this? That is a much bigger black mark on Jesse's character than allegedly ripping the SEALs.

And it was the jury that determined what the defamation cost him.

As part of this suit, Jesse's tax returns were presented for the last 5 years in court. He made $11 million in 2009 alone. I think he'll be okay after what this "cost" him........

[reddog140]

We dont know if he said it or not.

He claims he did not and had witnesses who were able to back him up, and he was able to convince a jury.
He is a former SEAL himself and claims to have a high regard for current and past military.

we only have a dead mans word that its true.
he started the suit before the guy died.

I would want to clear my name if I were him, but I would hate to be suing the estate of someone who had died like that also.

He only convinced 8/10 after much deliberation, the dumb a$$ attorney for Kyle allowed them not to have a unanimous decision. Also he was asking for 5 million for libel and 15 million for some other legal term about ruining his rep. He's a c0ck for suing his widow. I would tombstone him, but then he would sue me. Lucky part I read is the money will most likely be paid out of insurance that Harper Collins, the book publisher has.

[Cleveland33]

Just out of common decency. You really want to bankrupt a widow w/children over this? That is a much bigger black mark on Jesse's character than allegedly ripping the SEALs.



As part of this suit, Jesse's tax returns were presented for the last 5 years in court. He made $11 million in 2009 alone. I think he'll okay after what this "cost" him........

I don't want to come across as heartless or anything here, it's terrible that she has been widowed. But he's not bankrupting her - Kyle and now his estate, has earned somewhere between $3 and $6M dollars from the book plus future royalties. As well as the money the estate will be getting from the upcoming movie.

As for your second point, I don't think it's about the money so much as his character. Despite the negative feelings the case has had against them, at least they are known to be true. At one point he was considering dropping the suit, but a lot of other vets - including the owner of the bar where the alleged incident took place - encouraged him to continue it because they felt it was the right thing to do.

[Cleveland33]

He only convinced 8/10 after much deliberation, the dumb a$$ attorney for Kyle allowed them not to have a unanimous decision. Also he was asking for 5 million for libel and 15 million for some other legal term about ruining his rep. He's a c0ck for suing his widow. I would tombstone him, but then he would sue me. Lucky part I read is the money will most likely be paid out of insurance that Harper Collins, the book publisher has.

I don't believe you ask for an amount of damages in a defamation case because the jury decides. There was an "expert" (I don't know how they have people who calculate these things) that determined the damages to him were between $5 and 15 million.

[ajdahlheimer]

. I would tombstone him, but then he would sue me.

[ajdahlheimer]

As for your second point, I don't think it's about the money so much as his character. Despite the negative feelings the case has had against them, at least they are known to be true. At one point he was considering dropping the suit, but a lot of other vets - including the owner of the bar where the alleged incident took place - encouraged him to continue it because they felt it was the right thing to do.

Well his character (what was left of it) is now completely stink-palmed, brah. Just sayin'........

[Cleveland33]

Well his character (what was left of it) is now completely stink-palmed, brah. Just sayin'........

to a man with his background, I can understand that he would rather be known as the guy who sued a widow over making anti-American remarks and comments about soldiers needing to die.

[ajdahlheimer]

to a man with his background, I can understand that he would rather be known as the guy who sued a widow over making anti-American remarks and comments about soldiers needing to die.

The flaw in that logic is the belief that people will think he did NOT make the remarks just because a jury said he didn't. Most will draw their own conclusions based on the facts. See the OJ Simpson murder verdict, broseph....

[Cleveland33]

The flaw in that logic is the belief that people will think he did NOT make the remarks just because a jury said he didn't. Most will draw their own conclusions based on the facts. See the OJ Simpson murder verdict, broseph....

I suppose. But it's neither of ours' characters that were on the line here. And if people really looked at the facts, I think they would have a different perspective.

[ajdahlheimer]

I suppose. But it's neither of ours' characters that were on the line here. And if people really looked at the facts, I think they would have a different perspective.

People are going to side with the deceased author's perspective now BECAUSE of this lawsuit result, brah. That's what I'm saying.

He should have quietly dropped the suit after the murder, but still maintained a staunch denial of the incident--and this would have eventually went away. Ventura is a fkn punch-line in this state (MN) and across the country anyway. That's why he's such a POS for doing this.

[Cleveland33]

People are going to side with the deceased author's perspective now BECAUSE of this lawsuit result, brah. That's what I'm saying.

He should have quietly dropped the suit after the murder, but still maintained a staunch denial of the incident--and this would have eventually went away. Ventura is a fkn punch-line in this state (MN) and across the country anyway. That's why he's such a POS for doing this.

maybe, but like I said, they wouldn't be looking at the whole of the story.

I still don't get the uproar though - estates are held liable for the deceased all the time

[NorwichGrad]

People are going to side with the deceased author's perspective now BECAUSE of this lawsuit result, brah. That's what I'm saying.

He should have quietly dropped the suit after the murder, but still maintained a staunch denial of the incident--and this would have eventually went away. Ventura is a fkn punch-line in this state (MN) and across the country anyway. That's why he's such a POS for doing this.

Yup! This^^.

[ajdahlheimer]

I still don't get the uproar though - estates are held liable for the deceased all the time

Not for circumstances like this (defamation in a book), brah. It's preposterous.

[Cleveland33]

Not for circumstances like this (defamation in a book), brah. It's preposterous.

it's a rare occurrence due to the untimely death of the author - but estates are held liable for defamation.

The book's sales skyrocketed after Kyle said it was Ventura (he wasn't named in the book, but Kyle ID'd him on the Opie and Anthony - who have a grudge with Ventura) I think that was the main point for the jury.

[ajdahlheimer]

it's a rare occurrence due to the untimely death of the author - but estates are held liable for defamation.

No sh-t, if he didn't die--the suit would be against HIM not his heirs, Cleveland Brown.

[Cleveland33]

No sh-t, if he didn't die--the suit would be against HIM not his heirs, Cleveland Brown.

right and in the event of death, the estate is held culpable. it's not much different than a corporation being held liable for something that happened years before under a different management team.

[ajdahlheimer]

right and in the event of death, the estate is held culpable. it's not much different than a corporation being held liable for something that happened years before under a different management team.

It's way different than that, dude. A corporation does not have a face. A widow. Fatherless children.

Stop trying to justify this. It's disgusting.

[Cleveland33]

It's way different than that, dude. A corporation does not have a face. A widow. Fatherless children.

Stop trying to justify this. It's disgusting.

it's a tragedy that she is a widow and their kids are fatherless, but that doesn't change what happened.

[ajdahlheimer]

it's a tragedy that she is a widow and their kids are fatherless, but that doesn't change what happened.

That's right, with the men dead---the next step is to rape and pillage the women and children, I forgot.......

Jesse didn't have to take this next step, that's the difference. He made the conscious choice to continue the lawsuit. He'll burn for that in the court of public opinion, which is ironic, since that is what suing for defamation is trying to preserve. Guy is a complete r-tard. No way around it.