Your thoughts on men hitting women

[caublet]

No, I don't agree.

Cultural disparity and physical differences just makes forms of abuse different between the genders. Women have the same propensity as men to be violent / abusive.

If not MORE since its more acceptable for women to be violent than men...

[sy2502]

If not MORE since its more acceptable for women to be violent than men...

Except that this theory doesn't seem to match with the reality of facts...

[caublet]

Except that this theory doesn't seem to match with the reality of facts...

Facts:

Woman hits man - OK! He probably deserved it girl!
Man hits woman - Police get called, he goes to jail and is seen by others as a douchebag and a horrible person



How does my "theory" not match the reality of the facts? Elaborate

[chodan9]

Shatner new how to treat a lady

[sy2502]

Facts:

Woman hits man - OK! He probably deserved it girl!
Man hits woman - Police get called, he goes to jail and is seen by others as a douchebag and a horrible person



How does my "theory" not match the reality of the facts? Elaborate

Potato generalizations are potato.

Data:

Male commit 90% of homicides.
White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups
Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Source: United States Department of Justice

[acrawlingchaos]

Potato generalizations are potato.

Data:

Male commit 90% of homicides.
White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups
Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Source: United States Department of Justice

These same statistics also show that blacks are more violent. Are you another potato that's going to bring out Justice department statistics to try and prove that a certain demographic has a greater propensity for criminal behavior? Because that's what you're doing.


Fact; Female violence directed at men is an under reported crime.

Are you suggesting that non-physical abuse isn't violent?

Consider the variables; including very real gender disparity.

[sy2502]

These same statistics also show that blacks are more violent. Are you another potato that's going to bring out Justice department statistics to try and prove that a certain demographic has a greater propensity for criminal behavior? Because that's what you're doing.


Fact; Female violence directed at men is an under reported crime.

Are you suggesting that non-physical abuse isn't violent?

Consider the variables; including very real gender disparity.

Well, if you have problems with data from the Justice Department, that's your problem and you'll have to dea with it.
As for what I was trying to prove or not prove, let me remind you how the conversation went:

YOU: Women hit men because they know they can get away with it.

ME: Women hit men for the same reasons any person hits any other person.

YOU: yes but knowing they get away with it makes them more likely to hit someone.

ME: if knowing you get away with something makes you do it, then knowing you get caught should make you not do it. So since men don't get away with it, they should be less violent. Which is not the case.

CAUBLET: no, women are more likely to be violent than men because it's more acceptable.

ME: data shows men are more violent.

YOU: you are racist.

Uh... ok...

[caublet]

Potato generalizations are potato.

Data:

Male commit 90% of homicides.
White females of all ages had the lowest offending rates of any racial or age groups
Of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.

Source: United States Department of Justice

Sy2502: "Oh, the big boys and girls are having a discussion about apples, let me throw in my SACK OF POTATOES"

While what you just said in your post may be true, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about right now.

[Simpske]

GIFSoup

[acrawlingchaos]

Well, if you have problems with data from the Justice Department, that's your problem and you'll have to dea with it.
As for what I was trying to prove or not prove, let me remind you how the conversation went:

YOU: Women hit men because they know they can get away with it.

ME: Women hit men for the same reasons any person hits any other person.

YOU: yes but knowing they get away with it makes them more likely to hit someone.

ME: if knowing you get away with something makes you do it, then knowing you get caught should make you not do it. So since men don't get away with it, they should be less violent. Which is not the case.

CAUBLET: no, women are more likely to be violent than men because it's more acceptable.

ME: data shows men are more violent.

YOU: you are racist.

Uh... ok...

Awesome... lopsided cliffs deployed in an effort to belittle my opinion. Well done!

The statistics you used to support your belief that men are more violent, are the same one that others use to try and justify the claim that blacks are more violent. You don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose who your "statistics" apply to. If you believe that men are more violent because of these numbers, than you must unilaterally believe that blacks are more violent if using the same statistics.

If it is wrong to apply the logic to one, than it is equally wrong to apply the logic to the other. Statistics should never be used to make vast sweeping generalizations. They should be responsibly used to determine trends so further methods of investigation can be employed.

If you choose to irresponsibly use stats to drive home a point, you stand a very real chance of coming off sexist or racist.

[sy2502]

Awesome... lopsided cliffs deployed in an effort to belittle my opinion. Well done!

The statistics you used to support your belief that men are more violent, are the same one that others use to try and justify the claim that blacks are more violent. You don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose who your "statistics" apply to. If you believe that men are more violent because of these numbers, than you must unilaterally believe that blacks are more violent if using the same statistics.

If it is wrong to apply the logic to one, than it is equally wrong to apply the logic to the other. Statistics should never be used to make vast sweeping generalizations. They should be responsibly used to determine trends so further methods of investigation can be employed.

If you choose to irresponsibly use stats to drive home a point, you stand a very real chance of coming off sexist or racist.

I thought it was clear that the point I was making was that being caught or not, or having society condone your actions or not doesn't seem to have influence on whether people are going to be violent or not.
If you want to think I am racist, frankly I couldn't care less what a stranger on an Internet forum that doesn't know me from Adam thinks about me. So please go right ahead and think whatever you want. I won't even dignify it by wasting time defending myself.

Besides, if I had wanted to be a d*ck I would have said YOUR posts were sexists. I am glad I am not a d*ck.

[oldskooler]

I think abuse and defending yourself are two different things. Abuse is obviously unacceptable. Defending yourself depends on the situation. If you can restrain get/away then that should be the first option. If you can't or are in dangerous situations then you gotta do what you gotta do. Asking someone to sit there and take it or remain in a dangerous situation is ludicrous.

[weiss1967]

Interesting discussion here. I am firm believer that men should never reserve to physical means in argument with women. I don't think relationship with that person will ever be the same after physical confrontation. Having said that, I must admit that amount of verbal abuse and punches I was taking from my first wife was ridiculous, and I also think that if I punched her back just once this would have saved our marriage. I finally walked away just to hear later about how she takes everything back and how she loves me and all that sheat. Like yeah, sure.

[acrawlingchaos]

I thought it was clear that the point I was making was that being caught or not, or having society condone your actions or not doesn't seem to have influence on whether people are going to be violent or not.

And I disagreed... and believe it's irrelevant.

Society has determined it's wrong to hit women, and that hitting men is acceptable.
Once we live in an environment in which it is acceptable to hit women without cause, then your statement may have merit.

If you want to think I am racist, frankly I couldn't care less what a stranger on an Internet forum that doesn't know me from Adam thinks about me. So please go right ahead and think whatever you want. I won't even dignify it by wasting time defending myself.

If you want to defend your irrational hate behind a wall of numbers, I suppose that's your business.

Besides, if I had wanted to be a d*ck I would have said YOUR posts were sexists. I am glad I am not a d*ck.

If you had been able to call me out as a sexist, I am fairly confident you would have been more than happy to do so.

As expected, you have dodged every point I've made, instead preferring to riddle your remarks with sarcasm and insults. It's a shame you can't take a step back and for onCe in your life take a hard look at your own privilege.

[LovinLife2014]

Ever hear a woman say she prefers the company of men over women?

Ever hear a man say he preferred the company of women over men?

Ever work in an office full of women?


It's not all women of course. Most women are chill and easy going. But there's always a few that....ehh...they're not innocent angels.

I have definitely known women who knew how to start drama, push buttons, instigate, antagonize, **** with peoples' careers and livelihoods, and escalate situations. And if they were a man they probably would have gotten themselves in physical confrontation a long time ago, consequences that may make them reassess the risk/reward ratio of their actions.

But instead they don't live with that threat so they go through life saying and doing what they want with impunity.


I am not advocating for hitting women.

But threat of violence can actually be a good peace maker.

[Brackneyc]

I am not advocating for hitting women.

But threat of violence can actually be a good peace maker.

I disagree.

[FlaIronMind]

[eomrat]

It's a shame you can't take a step back and for onCe in your life take a hard look at your own privilege.

It is an extremely difficult and painful process. I use the word "process" very specifically. I did it at a place called DEOMI and I am glad for it, though I would never want to experience it again.

[acrawlingchaos]

It is an extremely difficult and painful process. I use the word "process" very specifically. I did it at a place called DEOMI and I am glad for it, though I would never want to experience it again.

It is a very painful process. We all struggle with prejudice in one form or another, and we are typically too far entrenched in our own issues to take a different perspective.

DEOMI, must have have been a hell of an experience. How long was the training? Do you get to watch any rockets take off?

[sy2502]

If you had been able to call me out as a sexist, I am fairly confident you would have been more than happy to do so.

No, unlike you, when I run out of arguments or realize I am wrong, I don't play the "sexist" or "racist" card. That's infantile. I happen to take racism and sexism seriously and therefore call them out when they really happen, not when I don't know what else to say.

[IH8RICE]

1. Utter cowards and lacks what it takes to be a real man
2. Definitely depends on the situation. My wife actually took ray rice's side in this, specifically after hearing that the chick spit on him as well. She thinks spitting is an immediate fighting action. I'm on the fence about this one because you have women that act like they're invincible and can do or say anything to a man and those that respect everyone and wouldn't feel comfortable in any way assaulting someone and not expecting some kind of reaction from it.

[Brackneyc]

1. Utter cowards and lacks what it takes to be a real man
2. Definitely depends on the situation. My wife actually took ray rice's side in this, specifically after hearing that the chick spit on him as well. She thinks spitting is an immediate fighting action. I'm on the fence about this one because you have women that act like they're invincible and can do or say anything to a man and those that respect everyone and wouldn't feel comfortable in any way assaulting someone and not expecting some kind of reaction from it.

You're on the fence about a man knocking a woman of for spitting on him? Wow.

[acrawlingchaos]

No, unlike you, when I run out of arguments or realize I am wrong, I don't play the "sexist" or "racist" card. That's infantile.

It's not playing the sexist or racist card, if your comments are sexist or racist.

I happen to take racism and sexism seriously and therefore call them out when they really happen, not when I don't know what else to say.

You're not the only one here that take sexism or racism seriously, stop pretending you are. The difference between you and I, is I don't pick and choose my information to suit my agenda. You need to evenly apply your logic to the information you produce, otherwise you face being a hypocrite.



Do you have any other argument besides attempting to discredit me? You are cherry picking my comments again. You've have no issues praising my comments when they align with various feminists issues. Now that I put you under the same scrutiny, why are my comments suddenly infantile?








Perhaps my point is lost.... let me start over.

Do you believe that Department of Justice Statistics are valid proof to make a sweeping generalization that men are more violent/ prone to criminal behavior/ abusive?

[eomrat]

It is a very painful process. We all struggle with prejudice in one form or another, and we are typically too far entrenched in our own issues to take a different perspective.

DEOMI, must have have been a hell of an experience. How long was the training? Do you get to watch any rockets take off?

We saw one rocket launch and it was a thing most definitely worth seeing.

DEOMI was a hell of an experience. My course was 13 weeks, but really only the first 8 were emotionally intense.

[IH8RICE]

You're on the fence about a man knocking a woman of for spitting on him? Wow.

No, that's just how my wife feels about it. I personally am on the fence about what I would do in a situation with a female that's volatile and assaulting me. In most cases subduing her and getting authorities would be enough but there would be times where you don't have that opportunity and something more physical may have to be done to get her to stop.

I do agree with whoopi, no one should hit anyone without the fear of repercussion, regardless of gender. Not every man thinks the same about this( clearly by the statements made in this thread).

[charlievanriper]

no way never would period. I was raised to respect women and protect them. A man that would hit a woman is a coward period

[JediRN]

I don't get how the word "coward" is applicable to the topic at hand. Is "not hitting" a woman "brave"? I just don't see the semantic applicability of the word. Hitting the average woman seems neither brave or cowardly.

Also..




I'd hit that...bravely.

[Cass40]

thanx for sharing charlie !

My fist may be small but it's hard to get out of your eye!

Not srs. Sorry my conscience...

[Cass40]

I would never assume I can say just anything to men and not to be hit cause I'm a female. A long time ago this guy was bugging a friend of mine, and she got frustrated and told him to fu*k off, so he punched her in the face!
I'm always very careful how I talk to people, even when they act badly. You never know.
As for hitting a guy, no way I would do it, nor could I even. My husband always tells me he can beat me up with one finger. Sad but true

[Cass40]

I'm totally aroused by the fact that you're ok with being punched in the face if you say something I don't wanna hear...



I think American woman can learn something from you finlanders !

Noooo that's NOT what I mean!! I mean I'm scared to be aggressive towards guys I don't know, because they can get violent.
So to say that women can assume not to get hit because of their gender, is not true IMO.
Do you have trouble understanding my accent?