Trannies get me going... So apparently yes...
The same way you condition anything. This would be difficult because training is easiest at a young age, but anything can be conditioned. Assuming your friend is a sexually
Small steps.
Female male anal play -> Pegging -> Group sex -> MFM sex -> MFM cuckold sex -> Tranny Male female -> MMF sex -> MM Female giving instructions -> MM sex
It is the same way porn preferences evolve.
Pictures -> Lesbians -> Straight -> Hardcore -> Fetish
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07-31-2014, 03:48 PM #301
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07-31-2014, 03:48 PM #302
Never said it was. But I'm heterosexual...and there has never been a time when i thought 'you know..i'd really like to suck a dick for a while'. Why? Because i'm heterosexual. Could i train myself to do it? Probably, if for some reason all other options were not working for me
Tons of closeted gay men marry women/have children to avoid the social stigma and because it's expected of them. Doesn't change their underlying orientation. Or they're bisexual, but lean in one direction.
That's not what I'm referring to. You're claiming one can essentially be "trained" how to reject their underlying biological orientation. How does one go about training someone to do that?
Please describe the steps in detail how to make my straight friend for example no longer desire women as much, and develop a stronger desire for men.
Tons of closeted gay men marry women/have children to avoid the social stigma and because it's expected of them
You answered your own question
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07-31-2014, 03:49 PM #303
By wearing away at the idea that same-sex relations are illegitimate, wrong, sinful, worthy of scorn, etc. By exposing people to imagery/suggestions of homosexual activities/relationships. By normalizing/legitimizing the status of same-sex relations in any way, you will influence sexual values and behavior to an extent. There is no denying that.
However, to go further and deny orientation altogether, or to say that attraction is a voluntary choice, is full on potato.
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07-31-2014, 03:56 PM #304
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07-31-2014, 04:09 PM #307
Attraction is really never a choice. I could see where acting on them is a choice like other choices if you are rejecting determinism. But, regardless of the context, I don't think you can choose to be attracted to anything.
You can act on certain attractions instead of others, etc. Society can influence what you are willing to act on, what you are attracted to, etc. Still doesn't make it a voluntary choice.
Take fat women. Can a person choose whether or not they are attracted? No. Can a person who is unattracted still have sex with the woman? Yes. Could they also be attracted to thin women, yes. Was the attraction ever a conscious choice? No.
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07-31-2014, 04:19 PM #310
You mean like selecting sources that match your confirmation bias as a low-information Christian who believes there is legitimacy to dinosaurs having lived on the Earth with humans...
Your tactics are very similar to the conspirotards. Post a bunk source saying something outlandish, and then criticize everyone who calls you out on it as some kind of animal. Usually it is sheep, this time it appears to be ostriches! How exciting!
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07-31-2014, 04:36 PM #311
Again...mtnbikedude. Chose to be attracted to a female enough to have kids and marry her, even though according to him he's always been gay. And even though right now he has professed to being gay many times he is STILL choosing to be married to her
You can act on certain attractions instead of others, etc. Society can influence what you are willing to act on, what you are attracted to, etc. Still doesn't make it a voluntary choice.
Take fat women. Can a person choose whether or not they are attracted? No. Can a person who is unattracted still have sex with the woman? Yes. Could they also be attracted to thin women, yes. Was the attraction ever a conscious choice? No.
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07-31-2014, 04:41 PM #313
He clearly isn't gay... he's even admitted his bisexual tendencies. He has a strong preference for men, that doesn't make him gay.
Look at my first post in the thread. If you get to choose, you are bisexual. I should have /thread'd it after that
Originally Posted by flairon
I'm not trying to say it is the same thing. If anything, I would expect that sexuality in relationship to weight is much more malleable with culture than homosexuality. The comparison is just a more relatable twist on the same thing. Attraction is non-conscious... it's not a blank slate of you vs. society, it's a natural occurrence based on many factors.
And just for clarification for everyone who doesn't realize this, it isn't genetics vs. choice. There are tons of environmental factors which have absolutely nothing to do with voluntary choice. An environmental condition can be just as deterministic as a genetic condition.
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07-31-2014, 04:44 PM #314
If I say I'm a giraffe will you start viewing me as one? He can self-identify as gay all he wants while saying he has bisexual tendencies, but I don't have to agree with his classification. He is quite obviously through all of his posts bisexual, with a preference for same-sex that is significant. He is "gayer" than he is straight, but he is bisexual. It's none of my business whether he wants to identify that way or not
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07-31-2014, 04:55 PM #316
I have a strong preference for women, i can assure you that makes me straight.
Look at my first post in the thread. If you get to choose, you are bisexual. I should have /thread'd it after that
Yes, the societal consequences are much worse for same sex relations than for fking fat people because it is much more egregious in the public eye. That appears to be cultural, given the differences in both homosexual acceptance and fat acceptance across time and culture.
I'm not trying to say it is the same thing. If anything, I would expect that sexuality in relationship to weight is much more malleable with culture than homosexuality. The comparison is just a more relatable twist on the same thing. Attraction is non-conscious... it's not a blank slate of you vs. society, it's a natural occurrence based on many factors.
And just for clarification for everyone who doesn't realize this, it isn't genetics vs. choice. There are tons of environmental factors which have absolutely nothing to do with voluntary choice. An environmental condition can be just as deterministic as a genetic condition.
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07-31-2014, 04:57 PM #317
Why the F*CK do you people care more about when adults have sex with other adults? Don't you realize there are other more important things in this world? Don't you realize your government is screwing you? Don't you realize that your government cares only about profits and votes? Don't you realize that our Mode of Production is BROKEN? Why is our education failing? Why is our economy failing?
But most of all, why do you all care so much about gay marriage? Are you insane? Do you enjoy causing harm to other people's lives?
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07-31-2014, 05:00 PM #318
You have an exclusive preference for women. That is what makes you straight...
I'm not at all in disagreement with your point, in terms of the natural disgust that most people feel towards gays. It is likely not a purely social/conditioned response to feel disgust towards homosexual activity.
The only part of that comparison that I am saying is the same, is that the attraction itself is not voluntary or consciously chosen. You either are turned on by it, or you aren't.
If I could choose my attractions, I would choose to be attracted to the fattest most undesirable woman possible, take zero initiative to win her over, have no competition from other males or concerns about cheating... that would be the best thing ever.
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07-31-2014, 05:12 PM #319
Fuk the LGBTQIABC community. Bunch of individual rights hating liberal mobsters who do much more to hurt widespread acceptance of gay people in the most prejudiced communities than they have ever done to help. The only people they are interested in "convincing" is children and college students.
I am not a fan of social engineering through media, so I can understand the complaints. I don't take any of this out on all gay people or let it affect my judgement of individual gay persons.
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07-31-2014, 05:14 PM #320
What do you mean by "lynch mob LBGT" community?
Do you realize that Christians are the VAST majority in the country? The fact that you feel objectified or pressured by the "LGBT" community means that you've simply encountered them. Don't you understand that Christians hold the power in the country? Are you delusional enough to think that "the gays" somehow are overpowering your churches, and breaking the fingers of your parishioners?
Are you dense? Seriously.
People advocating for marriage equality DOES NOT EQUAL people saying the Bible is false. If you have a problem with adults who have been in love for 20+ years wanting to get married, then that's YOUR problem, because things are changing, and it has NOTHING to do with your pathetic fear and insecurity.
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07-31-2014, 05:17 PM #321
Yea, but thats me and I'm by no means the template from which all human psyche has been forged. People do things for different reasons that mean something only to them. Combine natural mental instabilities with learned behavior or and event associated with the opposite sex that causes deep psychological drama and you'll get people that will make all sorts of personal choices. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong, good or bad, just means they are choices.
I'm not at all in disagreement with your point, in terms of the natural disgust that most people feel towards gays. It is likely not a purely social/conditioned response to feel disgust towards homosexual activity.
The only part of that comparison that I am saying is the same, is that the attraction itself is not voluntary or consciously chosen. You either are turned on by it, or you aren't.
If I could choose my attractions, I would choose to be attracted to the fattest most undesirable woman possible, take zero initiative to win her over, have no competition from other males or concerns about cheating... that would be the best thing ever.
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07-31-2014, 05:18 PM #322
The LGBTQIA has the dominant influence in the media and in popular culture. And definitely at universities. It's practically mandatory indoctrination these days, with a side of feminism.
Also, see Gay Wedding Cake Baker, Chic-Fil-A, Barilla pasta, Mozilla, Michael Sam et al.Last edited by DizzySmalls; 07-31-2014 at 05:27 PM.
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Everything that follows is a quote from a news story:
Guido Barilla made the anti-gay comments during an interview with La Zanzara on Radio24 Wednesday. The radio host asked him why his company does not have ads with gay families.
"We have a slightly different culture," Barilla said, per a Huffington Post translation of the interview. "For us, the 'sacral family' remains one of the company’s core values. Our family is a traditional family. If gays like our pasta and our advertisings, they will eat our pasta; if they don’t like that, they will eat someone else’s pasta. You can’t always please everyone not to displease anyone. I would not do a commercial with a homosexual family, not for lack of respect toward homosexuals – who have the right to do whatever they want without disturbing others – but because I don’t agree with them, and I think we want to talk to traditional families. The women are crucial in this."not srs
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07-31-2014, 05:50 PM #328
so you like women strictly because doing otherwise would be a sin or are you just legitimately attracted to them? Cause if your only reason is that the Bible says so then I'm assuming you could go the other way without any hesitation since it's a choice. If it weren't for the Bible would you still be attracted to women or do you think you'd be attracted to men? SRS. Assuming you realized one day that girls made your peepee go ba doing doing doing, were you a Christian then?
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07-31-2014, 05:54 PM #329
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Just because I didn't consciously choose it didn't mean I didn't condition myself for it.
If you showed 16 year old me half the chit I watch he would be disturbed beyond reason.
What I did was desensitize myself to the point where I needed harder and harder things to get aroused.
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07-31-2014, 06:00 PM #330
I won't argue that we learn stuff and pick it up as we get older and those experiences shape and mold who we are. My question is what prompted your initial sexual orientation? Was that a choice or did you just realize that certain things turned you on? The conditioning talk is good stuff and I get what you're saying, but my issue is with a person's initial sexual orientation. Somewhere along the way we all discovered what gave us a hard on, but none of us chose what made our sticker peck out. I get that those things may change as you get older and your choices will influence that, but initially I don't buy that it was a conscious decision by anyone.
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