Eating exteremely clean - does it actually make that much of a difference to fitness?

[accounts]

Clean = no man made trans fats, high micros, hitting macros, good fiber, and good variety all combined?

What is it?


Edit: lucianis is a nutrition troll guys

[Ratfish]

most of the perceptible differences between "clean" vs "dirty" eating such as better skin are actually the differences between less vs more dairy srs

[Lucianus]

Eating foods high in micronutrients/low in calories reduces disease???

No way bro.

I KNOW RIGHT? mind-blowing! Yet these buffoons are hellbent on saying I'm wrong. Brainwashed to the nth degree.

[Lucianus]

You need dietary fat for hormone production, cockbrain.

I don't need fuk all. And you'll deal with it.

[midcoastking33]

Clean = no man made trans fats, high micros, hitting macros, good fiber, and good variety all combined?

What is it?


Edit: lucianis is a nutrition troll guys

it's the six foods that work. can't eat anything else or risk heart failure by 30

[GoodGeneticsPls]

Negligible differences in physique assuming identical macronutrient intake, but overall health and feeling will improve with a "cleaner" diet. Everything in moderation though, a treat here and there won't hurt.

[TeamDale]

I can confirm. Put my food in the dishwasher before I cook it. Gains for days

I lold

[Lucianus]

If there are thousands of people who have cured cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc WITHOUT drugs or conventional treatment but still CONTINUE to eat meat, dairy and oil and are perfectly healthy and disease free 5+ years later then SHOW ME THEM.

UNTIL you provide me with these cases then I can't give your views on this subject any value, you are completely wasting everyones time here by talking complete and utter bull chit.

The body needs to be in optimal health to defeat these chronic diseases, a plant based diet provides this. Eating meat dairy and oil does not.

IT IS SIMPLE LOGIC. OPEN YOUR MINDS. its not a matter of who's opinion is right and wrong its a matter of RESULTS and what SAVES PEOPLE'S LIVES.


Capiche?

[Ratfish]

If there are thousands of people who have cured cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc WITHOUT drugs or conventional treatment but still CONTINUE to eat meat, dairy and oil and are perfectly healthy and disease free 5+ years later then SHOW ME THEM.

UNTIL you provide me with these cases then I can't give your views on this subject any value, you are completely wasting everyones time here by talking complete and utter bull chit.

The body needs to be in optimal health to defeat these chronic diseases, a plant based diet provides this. Eating meat dairy and oil does not.

IT IS SIMPLE LOGIC. OPEN YOUR MINDS. its not a matter of who's opinion is right and wrong its a matter of RESULTS and what SAVES PEOPLE'S LIVES.


Capiche?

hominins have been eating meat for our entire existence, breh. even chimps and bonobos aren't vegan. just lol @ you

i was a vegan for 8 years btw.

[digitalchi]

you can still eat clean without counting macro's and get great results

[sixfootsix]

what does this mean

Youre attitude brah. Made a constructive post then you bash it as if it is a wrong opinion

[Brophysicist]

If there are thousands of people who have cured cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc WITHOUT drugs or conventional treatment but still CONTINUE to eat meat, dairy and oil and are perfectly healthy and disease free 5+ years later then SHOW ME THEM.

UNTIL you provide me with these cases then I can't give your views on this subject any value, you are completely wasting everyones time here by talking complete and utter bull chit.

The body needs to be in optimal health to defeat these chronic diseases, a plant based diet provides this. Eating meat dairy and oil does not.

IT IS SIMPLE LOGIC. OPEN YOUR MINDS. its not a matter of who's opinion is right and wrong its a matter of RESULTS and what SAVES PEOPLE'S LIVES.


Capiche?

how do you make gains? by sucking on bananas all day? srs

[BroWhoLifts150]

Body compostion-wise, not at all
Energy/health-wise, yes

[Lucianus]

hominins have been eating meat for our entire existence, breh. even chimps and bonobos aren't vegan. just lol @ you

i was a vegan for 8 years btw.

What does any of this have to do with optimal health and defeating disease?

Why waste your time writing this post? I didn't say we can't consume it and still be alive. Even though more and more studies show that its the ****ing meat and dairy that make us sick in the first place. Its called brainwashing and social conditioning and making the big boys money.

[Eskimo]

If I eat a bag of Doritos or lean protein before I go play sports I feel the exact same

If I eat lasagna I throw up though, just have a plate they said you'll be fine they said.

[Lucianus]

how do you make gains? by sucking on bananas all day? srs

I get about 4-5000 calories in per day. I used to use cron-o-meter to calculate my food but because I'm confident in it now I don't need to.

Bodybuilding isn't important to me, I don't want to be huge... everyone on here keeps saying I'm a skeleton etc but I couldn't give a fuk. I used to be a skinnyfat, unhealthy wreck. I'm more than happy with myself now.

Before someone tells me to get "off bodybuilding.com", this is the misc, for general subjects, I'll remain here If I want.

[midcoastking33]

What does any of this have to do with optimal health and defeating disease?

Why waste your time writing this post? I didn't say we can't consume it and still be alive. Even though more and more studies show that its the ****ing meat and dairy that make us sick in the first place. Its called brainwashing and social conditioning and making the big boys money.

It's not all or nothing. Glad orthorexia is working for you though

[weightsb4dates]

Better pumps, more dense muscle, fat loss is faster, skin is better, energy levels better, digestive tract is clean most of the time, no bloating for the most part unless crazy carb load. Bro science crew checking in. Don't care what science says, I've seen bro science work time and time again.

Eating clean does not mean eating lean.

I still use processed foods like pb and protein powders. And when I have a high carb day I eat cookies/cake **** like that post workout, all other meals, are eggs/chicken/fish/lean steak prepped from raw, veggies, and my fats come from nuts/olive, coconut, canola oil.

I'm lactose intolerant, and I think milk slows digestion by coating intestines so I don't really eat too much dairy.

Just my .02 op take it for what you will.

[Lucianus]

It's not all or nothing. Glad orthorexia is working for you though

I was talking about people that are dying... its all or nothing to them.

Thanks brah. Hope whatever you're doing is serving you well too.

[RastaKoala]

Youre attitude brah. Made a constructive post then you bash it as if it is a wrong opinion

Im going to construct my nutsack in your mouth

[ImHuge07]

I get about 4-5000 calories in per day. I used to use cron-o-meter to calculate my food but because I'm confident in it now I don't need to.

Bodybuilding isn't important to me, I don't want to be huge... everyone on here keeps saying I'm a skeleton etc but I couldn't give a fuk. I used to be a skinnyfat, unhealthy wreck. I'm more than happy with myself now.

Before someone tells me to get "off bodybuilding.com", this is the misc, for general subjects, I'll remain here If I want.

Lol at using dailymail to back your claims. Did you even read the article? The average person followed consumed 56 grams of fruit. That's a lot different than 20 fukimg bananas.


Plant based diet with some fruit is very healthy, no doubt. But 20 fukimg bananas and other fruits a day is NOT good.

[betamax69]

(a butcher from another thread)
butcher checkin in, in regards to organic meat, the industry is a joke, the farmers get checked out and certified then start using all the chemicals and pesticides etc etc, imagine being a farmer and losing EVERYTHING to some little disease, disease rip through livestock, insects that destroy all plants, how many farmers do you think will actually take the risk of losing their entire source of income/livelihood that just to be labelled organic? that's right, none.

Your best bet is to trust local sources of meat, there will still be all of that stuff used but better than some overseas import from asia or something that has been pumped with fukn god knows what

I am a farmer (srs) and know plenty of people who have serious integrity about how they raise their animals. I'm sure there's tons of farms that ignore their certification, but they'd be running a huge risk. A big reason why commercially raised animals need so much chit in their system is because the conditions are awful to begin with. A relatively happy animal is 100% of the time going to produce a superior product. And yes, it's been shown it can be done on a larger scale.

[Lucianus]

Lol at using dailymail to back your claims. Did you even read the article? The average person followed consumed 56 grams of fruit. That's a lot different than 20 fukimg bananas.


Plant based diet with some fruit is very healthy, no doubt. But 20 fukimg bananas and other fruits a day is NOT good.

It was a study by the university of Adelaide. Who gives a fuk what newspaper prints it. They said gorging on fruit is best. They wouldn't have made that the stand out thing of the study if it wasn't true.

Why didn't you respond to my replies?

You said fruit wasn't a plant and completely disregarded the fact I eat vegetables and rice etc. You're talking chit.

[sixfootsix]

Im going to construct my nutsack in your mouth

lol you don't know chit

[Lucianus]

I am a farmer (srs) and know plenty of people who have serious integrity about how they raise their animals. I'm sure there's tons of farms that ignore their certification, but they'd be running a huge risk. A big reason why commercially raised animals need so much chit in their system is because the conditions are awful to begin with. A relatively happy animal is 100% of the time going to produce a superior product. And yes, it's been shown it can be done on a larger scale.

Thanks for your input brah. If only huh?...

Thats a fantasy world now. Those hopes are long gone. Money is everything to these guys. They couldn't care less whats best.

[DREAMChayser]

lol @ people who think taking a multi is equivalent to eating multiple servings of fresh vegetables/fruits everyday. Fukin idiots

[winjones]

macros are macros, doesn't matter if protein comes from chicken breast or big mac, its protein it won't make a difference to muscle building

however clean foods are packed with micro nutrients ie vitamins which are beneficial to all around health

solution to this is just pop a multi vitamin brah

And here we go. I hope no one seriously believes that taking a multi is equivalent to whole foods and veggies.

A lot of potato ITT.

[Luc1fer]

Body compostion-wise, not at all
Energy/health-wise, yes

This (although I wouldn't necessarily agree that eating 'clean' and food choice restriction is good for psychological health).

[triglyceride]

no

a few years back I did an experiment in which I ate nothing but mcdoubles and fries/ other fast food to fit my macros for 3 months straight

then I switched to lean chicken breast, veggies, and brown rice, fitting the same macros as the fast food period

muscle gain/fat gain was the same for both 3 month periods

[RastaKoala]

lol you don't know chit

Neat