Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[squanto]

Shielding what? his knees?
In the right picture it looks like the soldier is shielding the boy more than the boy "shielding" the soldier

Alright, well if you want to play this game as if Israel doesn't use children as human shields I would refer you to the UN report that exhaustively documents such things. Unless you don't think the UN is a credible source for such information, in which case I have others. And I'm talking about serious international human rights organizations, not editorials.

Source: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies...ISR-CO-2-4.pdf

So I feel the need to reiterate my question, do you feel that Israel's use of human shields is permissible?

[AKMuzzle]

yes

they kids throw rocks at IDF soldiers walking near the building, and they got shot in the leg by a sniper

play stupid games - win stupid prizes

and AKMuzzle - the worst R/P poster after CXC

Lol did I hear some rustling ? Truth is hard to swallow Zion. Don't be upset when someone staunchly disagrees with being as ignorant as you and your comrades.

[MosheDayan]

LOL

[MrBadkat]

Pro-zionist brahs, explain the reasoning behind the the caloric restriction on food imports into Gaza?

[Th3K1NgSlaY3R]

Pro-zionist brahs, explain the reasoning behind the the caloric restriction on food imports into Gaza?

Well considering its one of the most obese populations on the planet we thought we were doing them a favor....

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Why specifically does the highest court in the world disagree with you? Have you informed them that they're wrong?

The UN is a political organization, motivated by politics. I don't need to inform them of anything - they already know English, and thus know they are lying.

This is not a matter of opinion. This is a fact. You keep hiding behind the UN's opinion like a coward, but are scared to acknowledge the basic facts at hand.

Alright, well if you want to play this game as if Israel doesn't use children as human shields I would refer you to the UN report that exhaustively documents such things.

Report based entirely on Palestinian sources, LOL

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Pro-zionist brahs, explain the reasoning behind the the caloric restriction on food imports into Gaza?

There isn't one. That's more Islamic propaganda.

[squanto]

There isn't one. That's more Islamic propaganda.

The STATE OF ISRAEL tends to disagree, as they published a report by court order detailing exactly what you're denying.

Source: http://www.gisha.org/UserFiles/File/...tation-eng.pdf

[Vargas]

The STATE OF ISRAEL tends to disagree, as they published a report by court order detailing exactly what you're denying.

Source: http://www.gisha.org/UserFiles/File/...tation-eng.pdf

Is there currently a caloric restriction imposed in Tel-Aviv?

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

The STATE OF ISRAEL tends to disagree, as they published a report by court order detailing exactly what you're denying.

Source: http://www.gisha.org/UserFiles/File/...tation-eng.pdf

No, they do not tend to disagree. Can you read?

. We stress that as noted by the State before both the District Court and the Supreme Court, the aforementioned presentations are drafts and were not used at any stage in
time as a basis for implementing civilian policy toward the Gaza Strip.

You people simply took some never-implemented document that was simply floating around the Knesset as "Israeli policy."

[illriginalized]

I will tell you who is mad, the citizens of Israel.

On plenty of websites, they are criticizing Netanyahu for being too soft on Hamas. Members of the security cabinet, from his own party, are openly fighting with him on this. They want the IDF to go in and replace Hamas, and install new Palestinian leaders there who would want genuine peace with Israel..

"Too soft on Hamas"

In other words, the citizens of Israel want their leader to approve of a genocide outright.

**** Israhell. Bunch of slack jawed Europeans who lack any connection to semitism.

[AKMuzzle]

"Too soft on Hamas"

In other words, the citizens of Israel want their leader to approve of a genocide outright.

**** Israhell. Bunch of slack jawed Europeans who lack any connection to semitism.

The government as well as the people are demented.

The Polish and Germans will greet them back with open arms and Palestinians will help see them off.Everyone will be happy.

[squanto]

Fact 1: There is a blockade on Gaza, that limits food intake

Fact 2: Here are internal documents detailing intent to limit based on caloric intake

Conclusion: Israel did nothing wrong

[ZioBot]

The government as well as the people are demented.

The Polish and Germans will greet them back with open arms and Palestinians will help see them off.Everyone will be happy.

Everyone except Muslims who will still kill each other over land, sect, beard length, female driving, hummus, governance, homosex.. keep telling yourself the Jews are the problem and please join ISIS.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

"Too soft on Hamas"

In other words, the citizens of Israel want their leader to approve of a genocide outright.

**** Israhell. Bunch of slack jawed Europeans who lack any connection to semitism.

Except for the majority who are middle eastern.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Fact 1: There is a blockade on Gaza, that limits food intake

Fact 2: Here are internal documents detailing intent to limit based on caloric intake

Conclusion: Israel did nothing wrong

Both of those are not facts.

Fact: There is internal document proposed to the Knesset regarding options to limit food intake, which the government never implemented

Reading is fundamental.

[primetime32]

"Too soft on Hamas"

In other words, the citizens of Israel want their leader to approve of a genocide outright.

**** Israhell. Bunch of slack jawed Europeans who lack any connection to semitism.

So you guys complain that Gaza is over populated (so there is no place for gazans to hide during bombings) and then you guys claim Israel is committing a genocide.

Worst. Genocide. Ever.

[squanto]

The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) has released an open letter signed by 327 Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide “unequivocally” condemning the “massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine”

Source: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/0...nians-in-gaza/

[AKMuzzle]

Everyone except Muslims who will still kill each other over land, sect, beard length, female driving, hummus, governance, homosex.. keep telling yourself the Jews are the problem and please join ISIS.

Thats really rich of you to say. BRB killing babies and women because its 'your' land, as stated in a 2000 year old book.

I dont want to join ISIS :/

[squanto]

Both of those are not facts.

Fact: There is internal document proposed to the Knesset regarding options to limit food intake, which the government never implemented

Reading is fundamental.

What's your source?

[squanto]

"The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger."

-Dov Weisglass, adviser to Israeli Prime Minister

Surce: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/apr/16/israel

[VoxExMachina]

I'm always amazed at how the same old people can argue the same old points in the same old threads over and over and over.

[Harbinger]

I'm always amazed at how the same old people can argue the same old points in the same old threads over and over and over.

It's fun!

[AKMuzzle]

I'm always amazed at how the same old people can argue the same old points in the same old threads over and over and over.

This. I agree, however im guilty of such behavior.I think its the strong emotions on both sides that keeps people parroting, in hopes that one day the other sees their point as valid.

[squanto]

It's fun!

This is it. I view it as I used to view arguing with creationists, it's just fascinating to me how one side will compartmentalize their worldview so much to fit in an unqualified support for something. Why is it so unthinkable to be critical of how a country behaves itself?

Look back at this thread and how the arguments play out. Look how desperate one side becomes when pushed. Someone actually said they would not consider their house under military occupation if they were surrounded by soldiers at all times. Someone refused to even acknowledge the possibility of not shooting a child who *may* have thrown something at a soldier. Look at the extreme mental gymnastics people go through to ignore the reports on the Israelis using human shields, for the love of god, people have posted pictures and videos and detailed independent reports of it actually happening and it's still being skirted. The issue of denying food as collective punishment came up and I produced internal documents detailing the rationale, along with a statement by an advisor to a high-ranking Israeli official, and that still isn't enough proof. Then there's international law, where you have someone insisting their opinion is more valid than the international court, who is apparently conspiring with the rest of the world to treat Israel unfairly

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

What's your source?

The source was your own damn document that you posted and you didn't read which stated

We stress that as noted by the State before both the District Court and the Supreme Court, the aforementioned presentations are drafts and were not used at any stage in time as a basis for implementing civilian policy toward the Gaza Strip.

[ZioBot]

Thats really rich of you to say. BRB killing babies and women because its 'your' land, as stated in a 2000 year old book.

the feck are you on about? Gaza is not Israels land, they pulled out in 2005. You're probably too dumb even for ISIS.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Someone actually said they would not consider their house under military occupation if they were surrounded by soldiers at all times.

I said it would not fall under the legal definition of military occupation.

Look at the extreme mental gymnastics people go through to ignore the reports on the Israelis using human shields, for the love of god, people have posted pictures and videos and detailed independent reports of it actually happening and it's still being skirted.

Noone is denying that Israel never used human shields - you made this up.

The issue of denying food as collective punishment came up and I produced internal documents detailing the rationale, along with a statement by an advisor to a high-ranking Israeli official, and that still isn't enough proof.

You also unknowingly posted proof that the idea was never implemented

Then there's international law, where you have someone insisting their opinion is more valid than the international court, who is apparently conspiring with the rest of the world to treat Israel unfairly

Nobody said this. I said that facts are more important than opinions. Critical thinking, not even once.

[squanto]

The source was your own damn document that you posted and you didn't read which stated

The cover letter? Ok so because the Israeli government told you? Is that correct? No other sources needed?

You wouldn't have even seen that document if it wasn't for a court order, and now you're going to blindly accept what Israel tells you about it, no external analysis needed

Do you know what brainwashing is?

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

The cover letter? Ok so because the Israeli government told you? Is that correct? No other sources needed?

You wouldn't have even seen that document if it wasn't for a court order, and now you're going to blindly accept what Israel tells you about it, no external analysis needed

Do you know what brainwashing is?

......... You said that the Israeli state disagrees with me. Can you even follow a conversation?