Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[spadelexus]

Israelis in east jerusalem is the epitome of "playing stupid games". No sympathies here.

And you yourself said children were off limits.

[AA43560]

And you yourself said children were off limits.

I can express regret that they did not pick the right targets but i wont ever condemn resistance from a palestinian. im living in comfort in the states, but i know the sh** they have to deal with there that takes them over the edge.

[AA43560]

They control east Jerusalem so they won the game.

a phyrric victory at best. Would you feel safe as an israeli walking down east jerusalem?

[Tha big kahoona]

The one who was involved in clashes against the Israeli military where fire bombs were being thrown at soldiers? Play stupid games...

I don't recall the Israeli child acting out in violence against Palestinians when he was attacked. I don't recall clashes taking place and the parents who were savagely murdered in front of their children using deadly weapons against Palestinians when they were killed.

All I see is Palestinian terrorists targeting, attacking and killing Israeli civilians. Israel defending its citizens by beefing up its military presence in the West Bank in the wake of these murders. Palestinians acting like morons and attacking soldiers for no fukin reason. And soldiers following the rules of engagement in armed conflict, and responding to said threats.

Someone needs to remind the Palestinians who are ordering the terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians, and ordering fire bomb attacks against Israeli soldiers; that only fools do the same thing, over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over...

...and continually expect there to somehow be different results. Only fools. So what is happening?

Palestinians are being played like fools. PIJ and Hamas are going to try and take over the West Bank, like they did Gaza , and Fatah in order to keep its supporters needs to yell, "resistance!"... They're already starting terrorist recruitment commercials on Palestinian TV.

This happened in the west bank. Israelis are shooting and killing children in the west bank.

[Sag1e]

This happened in the west bank. Israelis are shooting and killing children in the west bank.

First, get your facts straight. The "kids" that are being shot are either:
1. Stabbing/shooting/killing Israeli citizens, as you can see on page 198.
2. When throwing molotov cocktails and rocks on Israeli forces, they shoot rubber bullets, but when its getting too dangerous, you have strict rules when you can use a real bullet.

I'm telling you this as a soldier, I'm living this **** everyday.

Here's a little example:

A husband and wife in thier 30s, Eitam and Na'ama Henkin from the settlment of Neria,
were killed in a drive-by shooting attack on the road between Itamar and Elon Moreh in the West Bank on Thursday night.
Their four children aged 9, 7, 4 and 4 months were in the car and were said to be physically unharmed but treated for shock.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...706203,00.html

Just A little bit of the reality in Israel.. Shoot outs, Rockets from Gaza, Stone throwing, Fire works shooting, Molotov cocktails:





A Japanese tourist hit by their stone throwing




Pallywood at its finest.


Iron Dome's interception Last week..

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Co...-Israel-419438

And some good news, Shin Bet says 5 Palestinians from Nablus admitted during questioning to killing Eitam and Na'ama Henkin in front of their children.

And what a shock, they hid in a hospital in Nablus. Phuckers.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...707111,00.html

Plus, there's a little video in the link of the undercovers arresting a suspect in Nablus's Hospital..

[Tha big kahoona]

First, get your facts straight. The "kids" that are being shot are either:
1. Stabbing/shooting/killing Israeli citizens, as you can see on page 198.
2. When throwing molotov cocktails and rocks on Israeli forces, they shoot rubber bullets, but when its getting too dangerous, you have strict rules when you can use a real bullet.

I'm telling you this as a soldier, I'm living this **** everyday.

Was the 13 year old kid shot and killed in the West Bank or not? Is the West Bank not outside of Israeli territory or not?

[spadelexus]

AA43560 and Kahoona,

Are you guys aware that targeted attacks against civilian settlers is a war crime? Despite your own personal definitions which stem from your politcal views, there are internationally accepted rules of conduct during war and armed conflict. You have to look at this objectively. My personal views aside, the international community "mostly" views settlement expansion as illegal. So even if I took your side of the argument and said expansion is illegal that doesn't somehow justify targeted attacks against civilian non combatants. You guys need to put the settlement debate on hold for just a second, in order for you to realize that justification for killing civilians is fueling terrorists, and that gives the Israeli military reason to put up check points and restrict movement of Palestinians in order to protect its civilians.

If you would just stop and admit attacking civilian non combatants is wrong and is a war crime, then we can move on to the debate over the legality of settlements. But we can't have a discussion while civilians are being intentionally targeted because that is a fundamental principle of establishing any peace agreement in an armed conflict.

[Sag1e]

Was the 13 year old kid shot and killed in the West Bank or not? Is the West Bank not outside of Israeli territory or not?

I don't know the specific incident, can you find the article please?

Btw who said rocks can kill? Here's a little video of our nice neighbors "greeting" an Hyeana.
https://www.********.com/71397930198...4044949641668/

[ScottTil]

interesting, people here support the targeting of civilians and civilian children. Not surprisingly they are mohammedans...

[AA43560]

interesting, people here support the targeting of civilians and civilian children. Not surprisingly they are mohammedans...

Settlers and occupiers are NOT civilians

[spatchcock]

Settlers and occupiers are NOT civilians

palestinians are NOT civilians

i can play the hurr durr game too

[AA43560]

palestinians are NOT civilians

i can play the hurr durr game too

Except you would be playing a very stupid and broken game

[ScottTil]

Settlers and occupiers are NOT civilians

even children who didn't choose to live there? you support killing them too?
Thats like native Americans killing modern day Americans for no fault of their own. It's a silly and hateful argument.

[TheNewbie]

even children who didn't choose to live there? you support killing them too?
Thats like native Americans killing modern day Americans for no fault of their own. It's a silly and hateful argument.

That's because he is a silly and hateful person, unfortunately this is the type of people Israel has to deal with.

[GreatOldOne]

Settlers and occupiers are NOT civilians

Yes they are. Attacking them undercuts the otherwise apparent legitimacy of Palestinians complaint of infringement on their territory. IMO the Palestinians should adopt non-violent protest. That means not even throwing rocks. When murders are done on people going about their normal business all sympathy and efforts in say America to pressure Israel into disbanding their settlement activity becomes not only ineffective but completely irrelevant.

The idea of "lets give them a black eye" is beyond stupid. You're talking about killing regular people. I think it's a horrible tactic. But beyond that it is truly stupid. It creates antipathy towards Palestinians. It empowers forces working against Palestinians.

There will never be sufficient political will in America to pressure Israel into stopping settlements amidst terrorist attacks.

[Tha big kahoona]

Yes they are. Attacking them undercuts the otherwise apparent legitimacy of Palestinians complaint of infringement on their territory. IMO the Palestinians should adopt non-violent protest. That means not even throwing rocks. When murders are done on people going about their normal business all sympathy and efforts in say America to pressure Israel into disbanding their settlement activity becomes not only ineffective but completely irrelevant.

The idea of "lets give them a black eye" is beyond stupid. You're talking about killing regular people. I think it's a horrible tactic. But beyond that it is truly stupid. It creates antipathy towards Palestinians. It empowers forces working against Palestinians.

There will never be sufficient political will in America to pressure Israel into stopping settlements amidst terrorist attacks.

They're in the West Bank. Uninvited. They have guns. An armed person living in someone else's land as part of a state-sanctioned process is not a civilian.

Settlers are people literally moving into your land and kicking you out in order to live in it themselves. They are armed to the teeth, and they are belligerent, as i'm sure you can tell from the all the "price tag" attacks.

You want a person (let's call him Jeff) who's lost his home/land/source of income with no hope of legal recourse to just find a convenient place to hang out and wait until the US decides that it's time to put some pressure on Israel? That's just not realistic.

[TheFornicator1]

Strong everything on this page lmao. The only way you can say that they are not citizens is if you're labeling them all enemies regardless of their allegiance to the national military and/or belligerent groups. They are innocent non-combatant civilians by international law, plain & simple.

And you wonder why Palestinians have such a hard time gaining majority support... It's this kind of nonsensical BS that excuses the murder of innocents under the guise that, even when entirely innocent, people are still somehow guilty by association

BRB killing illegal immigrants because they might have guns and they might take my job

[Sag1e]

They're in the West Bank. Uninvited. They have guns. An armed person living in someone else's land as part of a state-sanctioned process is not a civilian.

Settlers are people literally moving into your land and kicking you out in order to live in it themselves. They are armed to the teeth, and they are belligerent, as i'm sure you can tell from the all the "price tag" attacks.

You want a person (let's call him Jeff) who's lost his home/land/source of income with no hope of legal recourse to just find a convenient place to hang out and wait until the US decides that it's time to put some pressure on Israel? That's just not realistic.

This is just pathetic
1. Youre encouraging the killing of Israeli civilians and saying its right.
2. Youre literally blind as hell to everything you see. Thousands of videos showing you what the arabs are doing in the west bank daily.
3. Dont even bring up the price tag issue which barley even happen.
Last price tag was literally a graphite on the wall that said "revenge, Henkin" henkin is the couple that was murdered by your peaceful angels.

It all comes down to the arabs over there. They keep on choosing the violent way - stabbing, shooting, "peacefully protest" by throwing molotov cocktails, rocks, firework.

Breaking: they're at it again.
A Palestinian women stabbed 2 people while one of them, who was stabbed from the back, had a gun and neutralized her.



http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017Mzgx...RBM0REN0Y4OUE=

And Hamas's new hit, encouraging terrorism against Israelis.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...707797,00.html

[Tha big kahoona]

Strong everything on this page lmao. The only way you can say that they are not citizens is if you're labeling them all enemies regardless of their allegiance to the national military and/or belligerent groups. They are innocent non-combatant civilians by international law, plain & simple.

And you wonder why Palestinians have such a hard time gaining majority support... It's this kind of nonsensical BS that excuses the murder of innocents under the guise that, even when entirely innocent, people are still somehow guilty by association

BRB killing illegal immigrants because they might have guns and they might take my job

So if an illegal immigrant forced you out of your house and off your property at gun point, you're just going to be like ok.jpg? No retaliation right? Aren't you a gun owner?

[Tha big kahoona]

3. Dont even bring up the price tag issue which barley even happen.

The list of price tag attacks is available online. Not a small list

Last price tag was literally a graphite on the wall that said "revenge, Henkin" henkin is the couple that was murdered by your peaceful angels.

An 18 month old baby was burnt alive in August. The horrific price tag instances are not uncommon

[Kelei]

The Palestinians need to accept that Israel isn't going anywhere, it's been almost 70 years, it's time to come to terms with reality, Israel is there to stay. Whether or not you believe in Israel's legitimacy changes nothing.

Might makes right, it always has and always will, the Palestinians are but cockroaches compared to the might of Israel, armed resistance really is futile. If the Palestinians want their own legitimate state they're going to need to put the past behind them and make peace with Israel.

[Sag1e]

BREAKING: A terrorist stabbed a soldier in his head while he was getting of the bus, and snatched his rifle.
The terrorist ran to an adjacent residential building, where he took refuge until being confronted and shot down by police forces minutes later.

http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NzJF...VGMUQ1OUZERkM=

What the hell is going on here..

[Tha big kahoona]

And you wonder why Palestinians have such a hard time gaining majority support... It's this kind of nonsensical BS that excuses the murder of innocents under the guise that, even when entirely innocent, people are still somehow guilty by association

BRB killing illegal immigrants because they might have guns and they might take my job

So if an illegal immigrant forced you out of your house and off your property at gun point, you're just going to be like ok.jpg? No retaliation right? Aren't you a gun owner?

I'll be eagerly waiting your response here Fornicator1

I'm genuinely curious to see if you're going to realize the double standard you just created, and actually admit that you might be wrong about this.

[GreatOldOne]

You want a person (let's call him Jeff) who's lost his home/land/source of income with no hope of legal recourse to just find a convenient place to hang out and wait until the US decides that it's time to put some pressure on Israel? That's just not realistic.

Yes but that's not exactly right. I don't suggest doing nothing. I suggest peaceful protests and demonstrations. The key is non-violence.

That's a demonstration of unbreakable and unbeatable willpower.

Suppose Jeff kills a settler couple as they go buy groceries. That's his protest. It gains attention. But still Jeff can be beaten. He can (and should be) found and arrested for murder. The attention gained by his protest is negative and encourages outside forces working against him. Outside forces working in his favor are diminished. And now his protest is over.

During a peaceful protest there is attention. And as it remains non-violent it cannot be beaten. If and when the protest is crushed by authorities the authorities demonstrate and broadcast their own injustice. That diminishes outside forces working against Jeff and encourages those working in his favor.

[Sag1e]

Friends, we are at war. ANOTHER stabbing happend now.
A 25 year old men was severely injured from a stabbing.
The terrorist was neutralized.

http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NzI1...kxNUU5Q0NFMUI=

earlier today a 38 year old woman was lynched in her car by peacestinians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...707838,00.html

And some cheerful photos, undercovers arrest a "peaceful protester"





the guy in the yellow definitely lifts.

[spadelexus]

Friends, we are at war. ANOTHER stabbing happend now.
A 25 year old men was severely injured from a stabbing.
The terrorist was neutralized.

http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NzI1...kxNUU5Q0NFMUI=

earlier today a 38 year old woman was lynched in her car by peacestinians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...707838,00.html

Savages. Inb4 the terrorist sympathizers try to justify this because this woman obviously "broke into a Palestinians home and forced them from their home at gunpoint". Quoting good old Kahoona here. What bs.

[Tha big kahoona]

Those "stone throwers" btw are disguised IDF




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You can even see them in the images that sag1e uploaded. Those guys with guns hanging out with the IDF...they're obviously IDF. Notice how they're unmistakably dressed as Palestinians (Palestinian Keffeyeh). And, well, the fact that they're hanging out with the IDF.

[Tha big kahoona]

Yes but that's not exactly right. I don't suggest doing nothing. I suggest peaceful protests and demonstrations. The key is non-violence.

That's a demonstration of unbreakable and unbeatable willpower.

Suppose Jeff kills a settler couple as they go buy groceries. That's his protest. It gains attention. But still Jeff can be beaten. He can (and should be) found and arrested for murder. The attention gained by his protest is negative and encourages outside forces working against him. Outside forces working in his favor are diminished. And now his protest is over.

During a peaceful protest there is attention. And as it remains non-violent it cannot be beaten. If and when the protest is crushed by authorities the authorities demonstrate and broadcast their own injustice. That diminishes outside forces working against Jeff and encourages those working in his favor.

GOO i think you already know that i'm all for non-violent action, hence why i support BDS. But you can't underestimate how sneaky and conniving the Israelis are , and how they can find outlets to shut those non-violent movements down (see inclusion of anti-BDS lingo in US trade agreements).

Also, see my previous post. Things aren't as black and white as they seem, which i'm sure you already know. Plenty of evidence (vids, images etc..) has surfaced showing IDF dressed as Palestinians throwing rocks at the IDF in order to have them gun down the Palestinians. Not the first time they've done this.

Palestinian attacks a Jew? They'll find him, kill him, and destroy his Family's house. Jew burns an 18 month old baby alive? Nothing. No justice. All of a sudden the Israelis don't have the means to track the Jewish terrorist down. Just like they suddenly didn't have the tech to help them avoid killing 4 boys playing soccer alone on the beach in broad daylight.

[Sag1e]

Those "stone throwers" btw are disguised IDF




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You can even see them in the images that sag1e uploaded. Those guys with guns hanging out with the IDF...they're obviously IDF. Notice how they're unmistakably dressed as Palestinians (Palestinian Keffeyeh). And, well, the fact that they're hanging out with the IDF.

oh god. that's the point of undercovers you know. they dress up as them, act like they're one of them, meanwhile they observe over them, looking for the "leaders" or for the most extroverts to bring back to an investigation, and when the commander gives a sign, they arrest them.
I'm just amazed everytime by how narrowminded you are.
Those are some tough mother****ers.

[Tha big kahoona]

Yes sag1e, that's why they were caught throwing rocks at the IDF too...right?