Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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[thercias]

#freepalestine

from hamas

edit: spot for sale

[illriginalized]

#freepalestine

from hamas & zionist politics

Fixed

[Harbinger]

In.

[spadelexus]

Free #Ziobot, #Spartan.

In.

[BEATINGU]

God Bless Israel

#FreeZioBot
#FreeSpartan

[NYbrah]

Stop building settlements in West Bank

[SheriffBrah]

In

#FreeGaza

[SquatsAreAwesom]

Timeline
June 12, 2014

The tipping point of the latest clashes between Israel and Gaza, by most accounts, was the kidnapping of three Israeli teens in the West Bank. The West Bank is sprinkled with Israeli settlements, which is why the teens, Eyal Yifrach, 19; Naftali Fraenkel, 16 and Gilad Shaar, 16, were in disputed 1Palestinian territory.

In the hours following the news, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the Palestinian Authority, the newly sworn in unity government comprising of both Hamas and Fatah members in the West Bank, was responsible for the attacks.

�This is the result of bringing a terrorist organization into the government,� Netanyahu told U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, according to a statement from the Israeli prime minister�s office.

June 13-14, 2014

Israeli forces commenced a Hamas crackdown, believing the group was responsible for the missing teens. Hamas denied involvement. On June 14, Israeli authorities arrested more than 20 Palestinians as they conducted their search.

June 15, 2014

Netanyahu announced that Israel knew �for a fact� that the kidnapping was Hamas� work. Still, he said, he blamed the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, saying Hamas was his responsibility.

The Hamas crackdown continued as the Israel Defense Forces, or IDF, raided homes they believed were residences of Hamas members. At least 86 Palestinians, many of them senior Hamas members, were arrested in the West Bank. Commercial and pedestrian crossings into Gaza were closed and family visits to those Palestinians in Israeli jails were prohibited.

In a statement that seemed to foreshadow the upcoming conflict, Netanyahu said: �Israel warned the international community about the dangers of endorsing the Fatah-Hamas unity pact. The dangers of that pact should now be abundantly clear to all. This will not advance peace; it will advance terror.�

June 16, 2014

Hamas had already started firing rockets into Israeli territory, in retaliation for the crackdown. Four rockets were fired, and met with six Israeli airstrikes over the Gaza Strip, wounding two.

June 20, 2014

Israeli security forces killed 15-year-old West Bank resident Mohammad Dudin as they searched his family�s home for the three teens.

June 30, 2014

The Israeli army found the bodies of the three Israeli teenagers. By this point, the two sides had already begun trading regular fire on a small scale. More than 400 Palestinians had been arrested in connection with the kidnapping and six others were killed. 40 rockets had already been fired into Israel.

After the bodies were found, the Israeli air force struck 34 �terror targets� in Gaza and in turn, Hamas warned that Israel had �opened the gates of Hell.�

Several jihadist groups, including one linked to al Qaida, claimed responsibility for the three murders, but Netanyahu maintained that "Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay."

July 2, 2014

Palestinian boy Muhammad Abu Khdeir, 16, was found burned alive in a Jerusalem forest, the day after the burial of the three Israeli teens. Both sides increased attacks.

July 2- July 6 2014

In response to escalated rocket fire from Gaza, the IDF increased air strikes over the strip, killing at least nine Hamas members.

July 7, 2014

Israel announced that it has launched �Operation Protective Edge� an offensive operation that would see Gaza hit by hundreds of air strikes in the coming days.

"We are entering into a long operation. This is only the start," a senior IDF official said, according to a report. "We are preparing to increase ground forces on Gaza border."

July 8, 2014

Israel gave the IDF authorization to mobilize up to 40,000 reserve troops.

The U.S. condemned Hamas� rocket fire. �We strongly condemn the continuing rocket fire inside of Israel and the deliberate targeting of civilians by terrorist organizations in Gaza," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said. "No country can accept rocket fire aimed at civilians and we support Israel's right to defend itself against these vicious attacks."

July 9, 2014

Just 48 hours into �Operation Protective Edge,� the death toll in Gaza reached at least 64 people, including at least 12 children, an 80-year-old woman and one journalist. 180 rockets were fired into Israel on July 9, and the IDF had already hit 590 targets, destroying 25 houses in Gaza.

The threat of a ground attack was already looming. �We�ve decided to escalate even further our attacks on Hamas and on the terrorist organizations in Gaza,� Netanyahu said, in a security briefing. The operation will expand and continue until the fire on our communities is over and the quiet is back.�

July 11, 2014

For the first time during the clashes, Hamas fired rockets into Haifa, Israel�s largest northern city, indicating it was now using a longer-range missile. In 72 hours, the IDF had hit 750 targets in Gaza.

July 12, 2014

Within a week of the operation, the IDF had conducted at least 1,220 strikes on Gaza, targeting 632 rocket launch sites, 130 military bases, 220 terror tunnels and other sites. The death toll now surpassed 150.

The U.N. Security Council issued a statement calling "for de-escalation of the situation, restoration of calm and reinstitution of the November 2012 cease-fire." While the statement did not condemn either side, it highlighted the destruction taking place in Gaza.

July 13, 2014

In less than 24 hours, the death toll had reached 166 in Gaza and 10,000 residents were forced to flee their homes. About 130 rockets were fired into Israel, bringing the total to 800 in the previous five days.

July 15, 2014

The Egyptian government proposed a cease-fire agreement, which Israel accepted and Hamas rejected. Hamas now begins calling for an end to Israel�s air, land and sea blockade in Gaza that has been in effect since 2006. The death toll has now reached 200 and Israel has its first casualty.

July 16, 2014

A five-hour cease-fire was agreed to on both sides to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza after four children were killed on a Gaza beach. The death toll had now reached over 213 Palestinians.

July 17, 2014

Israel announced it was entering phase two of �Operation Protective Edge� which consisted of a full-blown invasion of Gaza by land, air and sea to destroy Hamas� �terror tunnels.� It is the first ground invasion in Gaza since 2008.

July 20, 2014

Rockets continue to fire into Israel, and the death toll had now surpassed 500 in Gaza. In just one day, more than 140 Palestinians were killed, including the Shajaiya massacre that killed nearly 70 people. 27 IDF soldiers have been killed.

July 22, 2014

With more than 600 dead in Gaza and at least 27 soldiers killed on the Israeli side, the conflict is escalating at a rapid and terrifying pace. More than 5,000 housing units have been struck in Gaza and since July 13, in just nine days, the number of displaced Palestinians has gone up from 10,000 to 118,300.

Despite international condemnation of both sides, cease-fire efforts have so far failed.

"A cease-fire is not near," Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, a member of Netanyahu's inner security cabinet, told Israel Army Radio. "I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

[spadelexus]

Stop building settlements in West Bank

Assuming you mean Jews. Do you think Muslims should stop building houses in Israel?

[metroins]

If Palestine had nukes, would they nuke Israel?

I suspect the answer is yes, so that's why I give Israel more leeway. Whereas Israel has that capacity and only attacks after being overly provoked.

[NYbrah]

Assuming you mean Jews. Do you think Muslims should stop building houses in Israel?

Those are Israeli citizens building houses in West Bank. Are Palestinians allowed to build houses in Israel? I'm pro Israel but it has its own extremist like you that hinder peace

[illriginalized]

Assuming you mean Jews. Do you think Muslims should stop building houses in Israel?

Just so we're clear.. is it your opinion/belief that all the land in Palestine/Gaza/West Bank etc.. belongs to Israel?

[ceizer1985]

Regardless of your personal opinion, indiscriminate bombing of homes is wrong and should be avoided at all times.

US went through the same issues in Iraq and Afghanistan but had the discipline to avoid massive civilian casualties. Israel has shown a complete disregard in this matter.

[theoldnite]

If Palestine had nukes, would they nuke Israel?

I suspect the answer is yes, so that's why I give Israel more leeway. Whereas Israel has that capacity and only attacks after being overly provoked.

they're not stupid man, hamas would never nuke israel. you need an air force to properly deliver a nuke, which would likely be shot down, and then all of hamas plus millions of innocent palestinians would be nuked

[Harbinger]

Regardless of your personal opinion, indiscriminate bombing of homes is wrong and should be avoided at all times.

US went through the same issues in Iraq and Afghanistan but had the discipline to avoid massive civilian casualties. Israel has shown a complete disregard in this matter.

Hamas stores it's weaponry in civilian homes, Israel alerts the occupants before striking.

[primetime32]

Regardless of your personal opinion, indiscriminate bombing of homes is wrong and should be avoided at all times.

US went through the same issues in Iraq and Afghanistan but had the discipline to avoid massive civilian casualties. Israel has shown a complete disregard in this matter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4102855.html
Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says



- Safe to assume we won't be seeing your chirping in this thread anymore. Comical that you would think America did a better job than Israel when there were more than 500k people died in Iraq alone (forget Afghanistan) and Iraq never even landed a single rocket/missile in the US while Israel is fighting off rockets fired by Palestinians.

[NYbrah]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4102855.html
Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says



- Safe to assume we won't be seeing your chirping in this thread anymore. Comical that you would think America did a better job than Israel when there were more than 500k people died in Iraq alone (forget Afghanistan) and Iraq never even landed a single rocket/missile in the US while Israel is fighting off rockets fired by Palestinians.

Do you support Israel building more settlements in West Bank?

[PSUbrah]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4102855.html
Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says



- Safe to assume we won't be seeing your chirping in this thread anymore. Comical that you would think America did a better job than Israel when there were more than 500k people died in Iraq alone (forget Afghanistan) and Iraq never even landed a single rocket/missile in the US while Israel is fighting off rockets fired by Palestinians.

Maybe because you are comparing Protective Edge to an 11 year long campaign by multiple nations in a country that is 3-4 times the size of Israel against insurgent who were actually able to kill soldiers/contractors unlike Hamas. This campaign I might add was mostly done on land not by air force like what we see in Gaza. The Israeli soldiers are only in Gaza in small units to dismantle tunnels whereas American troops were actually there the whole time and occupying Iraq. The insurgency in Iraq was a a meatgrinder for Iraq soldiers and policeman. There's no comparison. Israel and America operate the same way. Israel would have been no different in Iraq.

I find it hilarious you people have to throw your own sponsor and closest ally under the bus when trying to justify Israel. That's like Hamas claiming Iranian human rights are worse to justify themselves.

[primetime32]

Do you support Israel building more settlements in West Bank?

It's complicated, but I am generally indifferent as I know that Israel would dismantle those settlements when there is an ultimate peace deal signed. They have done so in the past.

[primetime32]

Maybe because you are comparing an 11 year long campaign in a country that is 3-4 times the size of Israel against insurgent who were actually able to kill soldiers/contractors unlike Hamas. The insurgency in Iraq was a a meatgrinder for Iraq soldiers and policeman. There's no comparison. Israel and America operate the same way. Israel would have been no different in Iraq.

I find it hilarious you people have to throw your own sponsor and closest ally under the bus when trying to justify Israel. That's like Hamas claiming Iranian human rights are worse to justify themselves.

I'm an american first and supporter of Israel second. But when some poster proclaims that Israel is far worse America, I am compelled to point out that posters lack of knowledge of the situation. And 500k dead is 500k dead. Obviously, posters like you could care less about the dead in Iraq and Syria, but to some of us they are equally as important despite the fact that they did not die at the hands of Israel.

[NYbrah]

It's complicated, but I am generally indifferent as I know that Israel would dismantle those settlements when there is an ultimate peace deal signed. They have done so in the past.

They were met with resistance from settlers when it tried dismantling them. The pressure and lobby from settlers is going to make it harder for Israel to reach proper peace deal, if more settlers keep coming in. Why does Israel keep building settlements fully knowing it's antagonizing Palestinians? Are there no more land in Israel?

[fitQuest]

Brb Israel using US tax payer billions to commit genocide
brb Israel stealing more land every year and building illegal settlements
brb Israel killing babies and children on the beach, hospitals and schools
brb Israel crying like little babies when questioned and resorting to canned response "human shield"
Brb don't you question Israel or I call you antisemitic

[primetime32]

Israel extends ceasefire for 24 despite Hamas continuing their rocket attacks.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/26/israel-...hamas-rockets/
Israel extending truce for 24 hours despite new Hamas rockets

[KoreanBreh]

Free #Ziobot, #Spartan.

In.

but Spartan is an anti-semitic Polish

[fitQuest]

Israel extends ceasefire for 24 despite Hamas continuing their rocket attacks.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/26/israel-...hamas-rockets/
Israel extending truce for 24 hours despite new Hamas rockets

How about they give back the extra land they've been stealing and remove the illegal settlements? Stop controlling the electricity and gas for Palestine as well.

How about that? Oh, and stop killing babies.. that sort of things kind of pisses people off. Just a thought.

[thercias]

sBrb Israel using US tax payer billions to commit genocide
brb Israel stealing more land every year and building illegal settlements
brb Israel killing babies and children on the beach, hospitals and schools
brb Israel crying like little babies when questioned and resorting to canned response "human shield"
Brb don't you question Israel or I call you antisemitic

brb never condemning hamas who are just as much responsible for all those above
brb no fuks given about syrian civilians being slaughtered in much higher numbers because the evil jewz aren't doing it
brb media silence on muslim extremists driving one of the oldest christian civilizations out of iraq because muslims gonna muslim
brb strong "genocide" on one of the fastest growing populations in the world

[sawoobley]

[fitQuest]

brb never condemning hamas who are just as much responsible for all those above
brb no fuks given about syrian civilians being slaughtered in much higher numbers because the evil jewz aren't doing it
brb media silence on muslim extremists driving one of the oldest christian civilizations out of iraq because muslims gonna muslim
brb strong "genocide" on one of the fastest growing populations in the world

[Harbinger]

but Spartan is an anti-semitic Polish

Joined at 10pm last night has already made it to the R/P and is familiar with R/P regulars. Something smells fishy.