A group of High School kids at my gym talking about DMAA/Jack3d/PWO's

[buckiaj]

I work remotely for my company so I usually try and get to the gym in the early afternoon before it gets busy. During the summer, this time of day is usually when the High School kids are there since they aren't in school. Around 1-3pm usually.

There is this one group of them that actually seem like a good group of kids, polite, good gym etiquette, etc, that are in there religiously at the same time. All in relatively good shape for their age and may even play sports.

Anyways, they happened to be wrapping up their workout yesterday as I was getting there and overheard them in the locker room going back and forth about all the PWO's they have taken in the past. Pretty much going down the list of all the popular ones, Assault, jack3d, NOXlpode, etc. Then one kid starts talking about how nothing works for him like the old jack3d and he even ordered DMAA in bulk and throws in into his current PWO.

I bit my tongue, because its none of my business to tell them anything. But at that age it just astonishes me that they would put so much time, effort and $$$ into supplements.

So i have two questions here. Is this a relatively accepted thing for teenage lifters to be so cavalier about putting things in their body? and Holy crap....I'm 34 years old and I think I feel pretty strong and good in the gym for my age. I didn't start lifting and losing fat really until i was 29 years old. I would fuarkin' kill to be 17 again and do it all over again with that kind of time ahead of me and not give one crap about a PWO or supplements aside from maybe caffeine or creatine at the most. I just want to shake them and tell them to ride that young anabolic wave for as long as they can before they need any help from crap in a shaker bottle.

ok, endrant. My angus is peppered for any possible assault.

Moral of the story....plenty of time down the road kiddos to get aid from supplements. 16-18 isn't it.

[ironicinori]

I don't think a 34 year old needs supplements any more than 17 year old does. PWO is more about taking it because it feels good and you can. This is AMERICA got dammit. If I want to pretend like I know what 1,3-dimethylamylamine means and chug it down, it's my right.

[buckiaj]

I don't think a 34 year old needs supplements any more than 17 year old does. PWO is more about taking it because it feels good and you can. This is AMERICA got dammit. If I want to pretend like I know what 1,3-dimethylamylamine means and chug it down, it's my right.

I wouldn't necessarily argue that anybody "needs" supplements. But doesn't that just support the argument even more what does a 17 year old need with DMAA dosing with their regular PWO?

If they left it at PWO and not adding in DMAA, i probably wouldn't have thought much about it. But if they are adding in on their own volition DMAA to their PWO's, and airing that publicly, i wonder what else they could be taking that they wouldn't talk about in public.

Nomsayin?

[VicMackey92]

If they take chit like that at 17 , I don't think they are gonna be able to train without stimulant

[buckiaj]

If they take chit like that at 17 , I don't think they are gonna be able to train without stimulant

Yep, this.

Its hard enough at 34 taking stim breaks. can't imagine if i started as a teenager with Stims/PWO's for all my workouts.

Something tells me too, they probably aren't taking stim breaks either.

[ChiBearsfan]

I put a lot worse chit in my body when I was 17 than some PWO.

[VicMackey92]

Yep, this.

Its hard enough at 34 taking stim breaks. can't imagine if i started as a teenager with Stims/PWO's for all my workouts.

Something tells me too, they probably aren't taking stim breaks either.

Me I don't take pre workout very often , for one reason , when you take this stuff at every workout you don't listen your body , after work your tired , you take a pre workout and go do a tons of set , at the result you have a injury because your body was tired that day. I take coffee or nothing.

The other reason is I have take craze for almost two years , after the whole eth discovery i'm not going to relate on pre workout anymore.

[buckiaj]

I put a lot worse chit in my body when I was 17 than some PWO.

That was kind of my point though. If they are buying DMAA and adding it to PWO's and talking about it in public, what are they taking and talking about in private?

I guess i'm not entirely sure how rampant steroids are at that age these days. But i wouldnt be shocked if one of them are on the juice. One seems built like he's been lifting for ten years.

[snorkelman]

IMO teens today are so used to instant gratification. They never have to watch a commercial. They never have to wait a day to go to the library and look something up in an encyclopedia. They never have to hunt for a pay phone, or just plan to meet someone at a certain place at a certain time.

IMO the same mentality carries over into their bodybuilding. They want bigger muscles now.

Also, the teens have (and let's remember that we too used to be teens) a God complex where they feel invincible and they simply are not aware of the reality of side-effects, and the shadiness of the supplement world. My experience shows me that many people, especially teens, believe that the big government has money and does studies and if the government allows a product to be sold, it must be safe.

Never mind the kid who died a few days ago from mixing powdered caffeine with an energy drink, ingesting the equivalent of 20 cups of coffee.

[VicMackey92]

IMO teens today are so used to instant gratification. They never have to watch a commercial. They never have to wait a day to go to the library and look something up in an encyclopedia. They never have to hunt for a pay phone, or just plan to meet someone at a certain place at a certain time.

IMO the same mentality carries over into their bodybuilding. They want bigger muscles now.

Also, the teens have (and let's remember that we too used to be teens) a God complex where they feel invincible and they simply are not aware of the reality of side-effects, and the shadiness of the supplement world. My experience shows me that many people, especially teens, believe that the big government has money and does studies and if the government allows a product to be sold, it must be safe.

Never mind the kid who died a few days ago from mixing powdered caffeine with an energy drink, ingesting the equivalent of 20 cups of coffee.

I have made that mistake , using a lot of pre workout , never in my life I have been feeling so anxious after taking pre workout , fukk this garbage.

[ChiBearsfan]

That was kind of my point though. If they are buying DMAA and adding it to PWO's and talking about it in public, what are they taking and talking about in private?

I guess i'm not entirely sure how rampant steroids are at that age these days. But i wouldnt be shocked if one of them are on the juice. One seems built like he's been lifting for ten years.

Oh, I've never taken steroids.

[xLGx]

Because caffeine cares whether you're 17 or 34. Kids who don't lift pound down the same amount of caffeine in soda, tea, and energy drinks.

As long as they aren't being dumb and use it responsibly, who cares? I see multiple threads weekly of "older" guys taking multiple scoops of preworkouts they shouldn't have.

[badassidtrip]

Non-issue imo. PWOs work. The take you above your baseline, WHATEVER that is. The DMAA junkie is no different from the ones on here. Age doesn't play imo. Wish I'd been more like those kids at that age

[xcolemanx]

IMO teens today are so used to instant gratification. They never have to watch a commercial. They never have to wait a day to go to the library and look something up in an encyclopedia. They never have to hunt for a pay phone, or just plan to meet someone at a certain place at a certain time.

IMO the same mentality carries over into their bodybuilding. They want bigger muscles now.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Those of us who are no longer teenagers, and who are seeing results, know that what this takes is time. Yes nutrition is huge, and so is training, but the results happen over time. When I was their age, I don't think I would have been able to stay with it if I'd started lifting then, you don't see the same results at 16 that you will see at 18/20. They want to see results from the work they are putting in, who cares if a pre workout helps get them focused or give them energy. If you're annoyed by kids taking a pre workout, then be annoyed they drink Monster, Red Bull, and any other energy drink as well, those are way more harmful to their bodies.

[snorkelman]

Those of us who are no longer teenagers, and who are seeing results, know that what this takes is time.

^^ Some guys are just blessed with great genetics. I remember guys in high school who were huge without supplements. Alas, I graduated h.s. weighing 135, and college at 153, it wasn't until my 30s that I finally managed to put on significant LBM. In high school I always preferred a six pack, but now I am comfortable at 14-16% with more mass rather than 10% with less. To each their own.

When I was in high school I probably would never take advice from an "older" man. Now that I am in my 40's I have years of experience of what works and what doesn't work, but the youngins don't care. They want to make their own mistakes.

[llahhsoj]

I work remotely for my company so I usually try and get to the gym in the early afternoon before it gets busy. During the summer, this time of day is usually when the High School kids are there since they aren't in school. Around 1-3pm usually.

There is this one group of them that actually seem like a good group of kids, polite, good gym etiquette, etc, that are in there religiously at the same time. All in relatively good shape for their age and may even play sports.

Anyways, they happened to be wrapping up their workout yesterday as I was getting there and overheard them in the locker room going back and forth about all the PWO's they have taken in the past. Pretty much going down the list of all the popular ones, Assault, jack3d, NOXlpode, etc. Then one kid starts talking about how nothing works for him like the old jack3d and he even ordered DMAA in bulk and throws in into his current PWO.

I bit my tongue, because its none of my business to tell them anything. But at that age it just astonishes me that they would put so much time, effort and $$$ into supplements.

So i have two questions here. Is this a relatively accepted thing for teenage lifters to be so cavalier about putting things in their body? and Holy crap....I'm 34 years old and I think I feel pretty strong and good in the gym for my age. I didn't start lifting and losing fat really until i was 29 years old. I would fuarkin' kill to be 17 again and do it all over again with that kind of time ahead of me and not give one crap about a PWO or supplements aside from maybe caffeine or creatine at the most. I just want to shake them and tell them to ride that young anabolic wave for as long as they can before they need any help from crap in a shaker bottle.

ok, endrant. My angus is peppered for any possible assault.

Moral of the story....plenty of time down the road kiddos to get aid from supplements. 16-18 isn't it.

There was a group of 15-16 year olds that used to train at the same time as me in the summer a few years ago. I would hear them talking about all the latest test boosters and pre workouts. Those kids were also pretty inconsistent as well.

[BigPapiJR]

Didn't read thread. Opie is rep-begging and should mind his own business- those kids aren't doing any harm to themselves by taking stimulants.

[bfal215]

As bad as underage supplement use is, I heard a group of 4 to 5 16-17 year olds talking about their cycles last week while I was training. It took everything in me to bite my tongue especially since one of them is probably 6'1'' 230 and is supposedly on his 4th cycle. I was in shock to say the least.

[drewmigliazzo]

DMMA is blahh and didnt do much for me. Now Craze, I am in AA and have been sober for 3.5 years asnd after I took that stuff I was like uhhhhh NO! It felt very similar to something I had played for with a number of years earlier in my life and I threw out my tub. Some peeps take too much of this or that. But in my experience with things in mylife NOT DMAA nor any PWO compares to what Craze was. Hence why as a sober member of AA I threw out that junk. IT was on a whole other level.

[BenBlue]

DMMA is blahh and didnt do much for me. Now Craze, I am in AA and have been sober for 3.5 years asnd after I took that stuff I was like uhhhhh NO! It felt very similar to something I had played for with a number of years earlier in my life and I threw out my tub. Some peeps take too much of this or that. But in my experience with things in mylife NOT DMAA nor any PWO compares to what Craze was. Hence why as a sober member of AA I through out that junk. IT was on a whole other level.

yeap
yeap
good for you for throwing it out

[BenBlue]

I have made that mistake , using a lot of pre workout , never in my life I have been feeling so anxious after taking pre workout , fukk this garbage.

lol VicMackey, I can't re-rep you, gotta spread some more love apparently. Repped in spirit homie

[JoeCannonMSCSCS]

Its unfortunate that health classes and PE classes are not better addressing the hype that pervades supplement advertising. After investigating supplements for over 15 years (my reviews are at supplement-geek.com) Ive come to the conclusion that many of these types of products are just lots of stimulants (and hype) that have no good proof they make people bigger, stronger or faster. Because DMAA has gotten some bad publicity, some supplements are replacing it with another non-human tested supplement called Higenamine. Unfortunately the only way I think they can realize that these products are baloney is to look at the actual research - and lack of it - for themselves.
joe

[VicMackey92]

lol VicMackey, I can't re-rep you, gotta spread some more love apparently. Repped in spirit homie

ahaha no doubt

[Outside backer]

1996 during highschool football this new steroid on the market that would destroy your kidneys and cause cramping and bloating made its way into our lives. this new fangeled creatine powder. we would have grape gatorade and a scoop of white powder no one knew **** about it. scoop in mouth chase with gatorade and hit the field

[TheGilmore]

As long as they are training and eating well, and not abusing the stimulants, I don't see a problem. And you can't really make a blanket statement about teens and energy. My entire life I haven't had crap for energy, and I hardly touched stimulants at all in high school. Didn't even know preworkouts were a thing.

[RVAPump]

Its unfortunate that health classes and PE classes are not better addressing the hype that pervades supplement advertising. After investigating supplements for over 15 years (my reviews are at supplement-geek.com) Ive come to the conclusion that many of these types of products are just lots of stimulants (and hype) that have no good proof they make people bigger, stronger or faster. Because DMAA has gotten some bad publicity, some supplements are replacing it with another non-human tested supplement called Higenamine. Unfortunately the only way I think they can realize that these products are baloney is to look at the actual research - and lack of it - for themselves.
joe

the vast majority of your reviews are on supplements that literally nobody here cares about at all