Actual Leverages . What are yours

[untranslatedZA]

So being doing around looking at what makes a good sumo puller / convential vs a borntobench and his genetics blablabla makes him a perfect squatter and all that crap. Everyone keeps going on about arm lengths vs torso lengths vs quad lengths and all that. I wanted to have a little poll to see what lifters proportions actually are.
Basically just post the following measurements and tell us your lifts max, or if people generally say you are born to be a DL/BP/SQ ér
Total Height
Total Weight
Length From Floor too lower knee
Length and Girth of Upper legs
Hips
Waist
Torso length from hip crease to collar bone
Arm length
Forearm length

Ect. Maybe we can start seeing trends in proportions vs saying long arm + short torso = great conventional deadlifter.
What is concidered long arms ? Obviouslly a taller person will have longer arms. What are the lengths in proportion to torso since we say short torso.

[ecchastang]

Tendon insertion points affect leverages as much or more than limb length.

[SPFjudge]

So being doing around looking at what makes a good sumo puller / convential vs a borntobench and his genetics blablabla makes him a perfect squatter and all that crap. Everyone keeps going on about arm lengths vs torso lengths vs quad lengths and all that. I wanted to have a little poll to see what lifters proportions actually are.
Basically just post the following measurements and tell us your lifts max, or if people generally say you are born to be a DL/BP/SQ ér
Total Height
Total Weight
Length From Floor too lower knee
Length and Girth of Upper legs
Hips
Waist
Torso length from hip crease to collar bone
Arm length
Forearm length

Ect. Maybe we can start seeing trends in proportions vs saying long arm + short torso = great conventional deadlifter.
What is concidered long arms ? Obviouslly a taller person will have longer arms. What are the lengths in proportion to torso since we say short torso.

Add dick size to this too. I'm interested to see the results.

[HamburgerTrain]

These things do not matter so f*cking much.

[runtocatch]

These things do not matter so f*cking much.

That's kinda always been my thoughts cuz they would only really matter if "all else" were created equal and generally speaking its never really that way. Usually its not even relatively close actually.

[EasternHammer]

I figured I was born to bench when I measured my wingspan as -3 inches compared to height. And that was before I gained 75 pounds, lol.

[arian11]

That's kinda always been my thoughts cuz they would only really matter if "all else" were created equal and generally speaking its never really that way. Usually its not even relatively close actually.

Lamar Gant had those extremely long arms and totally built for deadlift...except he still fawking benched 320 @ 123.

[runtocatch]

Lamar Gant had those extremely long arms and totally built for deadlift...except he still fawking benched 320 @ 123.

Exactly! I assume you are agreeing with me but if not please explain.

[Jason2459]

These things do not matter so f*cking much.

This and I'm sure there's going to be push back from those that think to much. Sure, you may have slightly different form based on some ratio of bone lengths but it's not going to change much more than that. Still going to train really fuking hard to get stronger in any lift. You're not going to just go out an pull 800lbs because you were "built" to deadlift.

[LadyLore420]

Add dick size to this too. I'm interested to see the results.

I win hands down.

I even have a collection. I bet all of you only have one.

[arian11]

Exactly! I assume you are agreeing with me but if not please explain.

I always agree with you.

[runtocatch]

I always agree with you.

Oh you. HAHA!

You shouldn't be talkin bout this anyhow cuz you're built just like blt. Genetic freaks!

[NorthStrong]

I know that I have short ass legs and squatting is easier than deadlifting is for me and that benching sucks anyway.

Usually no matter your leverages you'll be good(er) at one or two lifts and less good at one or two of the others.

All evens out in the end fairly well I think.

[adpowah]

Here;s a video I recently ran across that discusses this.



And a corresponding article.

http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...one-structure/

[Jason2459]

Here;s a video I recently ran across that discusses this.



And a corresponding article.

http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...one-structure/

Train both and compete with whichever is stronger!

Edit: and lol at the "Take into consideration this doesn't include (EVERYTHING THAT ALSO MATTERS)!"

[InspecktaDeck]

These things do not matter so f*cking much.

They dont matter for a total or over all strength, but they will have influence over whether somebodies total is all deadlift, all subtotal etc.

[FittestManAlive]

I seen a article before about muscle insertions on the upper pec, and depending on which you have your either a better bench presser or a better military presser. Jason blaha did a video about his CGBP and talked about collar bone structure effecting his bench press, and why he uses CGBP even for competition.

However, like the military says "be all you can be" who cares about what your leverages are get your squat/bench/deadlift as high as your body allows it.

[adpowah]

Train both and compete with whichever is stronger!

Edit: and lol at the "Take into consideration this doesn't include (EVERYTHING THAT ALSO MATTERS)!"

Yeah I always pulled conventional myself (I just think it looks cooler) but I recently started pulling sumo just to round out the general strength. I imagine if I competed I might get a little more serious about this.

[kaleida]

They dont matter for a total or over all strength, but they will have influence over whether somebodies total is all deadlift, all subtotal etc.

This...

[kaleida]

My wingspan is 3" longer than my height, and knees touch face when I bend. Not surprisingly, deadlift is half of my total. Everything is making progress it's just that deadlift goes up faster and with less effort than the other stuff.

[untranslatedZA]

These things do not matter so f*cking much.

This is the point. When i conventional deadlift the bar is just past my knees..... but because im not skinny like Hawthorne people say hes born to deadlift, and im not. OR they say i am born to deadlift, while my dl is terrible. Leverages matter, but not as much as people give credit for. Also most people have no clue how to evaluate it, they see someone with shortish arms because of their deadlift, but dont notice short forearms and regular length upper arms ect.

[Link815]

Tell my deadlift proportions don't matter. Maybe it will listen.

[isaku900]

tell my deadlift proportions don't matter. Maybe it will listen.

this iz sheep.
Pull moar
fat

[breathinglife]

Here;s a video I recently ran across that discusses this.



And a corresponding article.

http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...one-structure/

For some reason I find the thumbnail to this video absolutely hilarious. My apologies to those who dig this kind of gym fashion.

[Jason2459]

So, if you have the leverages for a good deadlift you shouldn't train it as hard? Or should you train it harder to maximize your potential.

If you have terrible leverages for the deadlift should you not train it as hard to focus on the squat? Or should you train it harder to try and not make it so crappy?

Or should it all not matter so much in the end because you should train it all pretty damn hard to get the biggest total you can? Or should you just make it a huge deal and become a one lift specialist....


Note: just using deadlift as an example. Can plug in any lift instead of deadlift.

[breathinglife]

Of course these things make a difference, but I've never found that it was particularly helpful to focus on something I have no control over. I can't control my leverages, so aside from having just enough self awareness to develop technique that maximizes these leverages, I don't obsess over it too much. This is the sort of thing that a lot of newbie lifters get extremely fixated on at the cost of their sanity.

[Jason2459]

Of course these things make a difference, but I've never found that it was particularly helpful to focus on something I have no control over. I can't control my leverages, so aside from having just enough self awareness to develop technique that maximizes these leverages, I don't obsess over it too much. This is the sort of thing that a lot of newbie lifters get extremely fixated on at the cost of their sanity.

Exactly and I believe it was you that mentioned that they improved their squat technique most by stop thinking so hard about all these "cues" that are out there and just started squatting.

So back to what Mr. Hamburger said...

[isaku900]

exactly and i believe it was you that mentioned that they improved their squat technique most by stop thinking so hard about all these "cues" that are out there and just started squatting.

So back to what mr. Hamburger said...

but but but

long femurs!
Short humerus!
average coccyx!
above average diameter malleus!!!!!

[dtaps24]

average coccyx!

Well I hope the little feller feels better soon. OMG ROFLMAOIMP.

[runtocatch]

but but but

long femurs!
Short humerus!
average coccyx!
above average diameter malleus!!!!!

HAHA! Powerlifitng sure was a lot more fun when only meatheads, convicts, and cops did it.