Actual Leverages . What are yours

[InspecktaDeck]

So, if you have the leverages for a good deadlift you shouldn't train it as hard? Or should you train it harder to maximize your potential.

If you have terrible leverages for the deadlift should you not train it as hard to focus on the squat? Or should you train it harder to try and not make it so crappy?

Or should it all not matter so much in the end because you should train it all pretty damn hard to get the biggest total you can? Or should you just make it a huge deal and become a one lift specialist....


Note: just using deadlift as an example. Can plug in any lift instead of deadlift.

The only reason I would see any of this mattering is perhaps the better your leverage for a lift the more volume is needed/can be handled. Using the deadlift again as example, a dude who locks out right above knee level may need more volume for pull to grow compared to the guy who locks out at his dick.

HAHA! Powerlifitng sure was a lot more fun when only meatheads, convicts, and cops did it.

Shut up bro I was the strongest skinny teen/fat old guy at my local usapl meet. Im serious about this shyt, my 1100 total is tested and legit. All natty, all pro brother. Just you wait till I start a youtube channel and get a following..

[johndoejd54]

I'm sure the differences are negligible and people having very strong lifts and weak ones are generally due to how they train

[Jason2459]

The only reason I would see any of this mattering is perhaps the better your leverage for a lift the more volume is needed/can be handled. Using the deadlift again as example, a dude who locks out right above knee level may need more volume for pull to grow compared to the guy who locks out at his dick

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Or maybe not depending on many other factors related to but not limited to responsiveness to training, different training methods, and/or weaknesses. Not to mention many other physical mechanical and biological factors beyond bone length.

[arian11]

So, if you have the leverages for a good deadlift you shouldn't train it as hard? Or should you train it harder to maximize your potential.

If you have terrible leverages for the deadlift should you not train it as hard to focus on the squat? Or should you train it harder to try and not make it so crappy?

Or should it all not matter so much in the end because you should train it all pretty damn hard to get the biggest total you can? Or should you just make it a huge deal and become a one lift specialist....


Note: just using deadlift as an example. Can plug in any lift instead of deadlift.

I always put more focus program wise and physically in my squat since it always felt uncomfortable and I sucked at it. So since my 1st powerlifting meet, my squat has gone up 276 lbs while my deadlift has only gone up 160 lbs. Though people always tell me I'm better built for deadlift. Bone structure doesn't mean much without technique, muscle mass and programming focus.

[kaleida]

So, if you have the leverages for a good deadlift you shouldn't train it as hard? Or should you train it harder to maximize your potential.

If you have terrible leverages for the deadlift should you not train it as hard to focus on the squat? Or should you train it harder to try and not make it so crappy?

Or should it all not matter so much in the end because you should train it all pretty damn hard to get the biggest total you can? Or should you just make it a huge deal and become a one lift specialist....


Note: just using deadlift as an example. Can plug in any lift instead of deadlift.

I think all of us try our best to make all three lifts improve
For me making all 3 lifts improve means focusing hard on squat and bench and giving deadlift the leftovers of my energy. I'm not ignoring deadlift, it's just that adding 5lb of squat strength usually rewards me with 30lb on my deadlift so it's like killing two birds with one stone if I focus hard on squat and bench, and just do a few speedy deadlift singles every now and then. That's just how it is for my body. Does that mean I'm being lazy about my deadlift? Maybe. I'm not going to knock myself out with 10x10 deadlifts and deadlift assistance work if I don't need to. Maybe someday my deadlift will plateau and then I will focus more on deadlift... but for now I focus the most on my weakest lifts because that gives me good progress on all 3.

[doctor220]

but but but

long femurs!
Short humerus!
average coccyx!
above average diameter malleus!!!!!

lol how the f*ck would someone know the last two.. yet I'm sure somewhere there is someone b*tching about it online

[runtocatch]

The only reason I would see any of this mattering is perhaps the better your leverage for a lift the more volume is needed/can be handled. Using the deadlift again as example, a dude who locks out right above knee level may need more volume for pull to grow compared to the guy who locks out at his dick.



Shut up bro I was the strongest skinny teen/fat old guy at my local usapl meet. Im serious about this shyt, my 1100 total is tested and legit. All natty, all pro brother. Just you wait till I start a youtube channel and get a following..

On spread as usual.

[InspecktaDeck]

Or maybe not depending on many other factors related to but not limited to responsiveness to training, different training methods, and/or weaknesses. Not to mention many other physical mechanical and biological factors beyond bone length.

Of course any factor is only one of many.

On spread as usual.

Me too. We on on spread for each other mmmm

[LessThanLuke]

This whole thread... smh.

[runtocatch]

Me too. We on on spread for each other mmmm

I'm too old to try new things.

This whole thread... smh.

Don't be a party pooper. You need to learn to embrace the stupid.

[InspecktaDeck]

Don't be a party pooper. You need to learn to embrace the stupid.

He's just mad hes not a real man with short arms and a huge bench.

[runtocatch]

He's just mad hes not a real man with short arms and a huge bench.

See now you're just being mean.

[LessThanLuke]

He's just mad hes not a real man with short arms and a huge bench.

But I almost strict ohpress 300lbs with my long monkey arms.... **** leverages.

[Einzelhaft]

Not bad. Two pages already and no one posted his/her measurements.
I'm built kinda average. The only thing I'm relatively good at is squatting.

[runtocatch]

But I almost strict ohpress 300lbs with my long monkey arms.... **** leverages.

I feel your pain. When I was benching in the mid to upper 4s I could push press in the very high 3s. Monkey arms are not cool except when boxing.

[LessThanLuke]

I feel your pain. When I was benching in the mid to upper 4s I could push press in the very high 3s. Monkey arms are not cool except when boxing.

Haha I wasn't bitching. I was saying if I can military press 290lbs+ with my monkey arms people really shouldn't complain about their leverages. They really don't mean ****.

[Whoads]

Heres how to tell which deadlift is better.
Okay. Try deadlifting conventional. Then try deadlifting sumo.
Okay... Which one is easier for you?
Oh, Sumo, okay... Okay.. look, then do sumo. okay.

[kaleida]

I don't see it as bitching...just evaluating the situation honestly. If there is a large brick wall in between you and a goal is it "bitching" to talk about that wall while you're climbing over it? I don't think so. Is it "bitching" to talk to other people who have the same wall in their path and share ideas about how to get past it? I don't think so. Talking about leverage problems seems normal to me, no different from talking about injuries or form problems or any other problem you might need to solve to make progress.

Talking about leverage advantages seems equally normal to me. I'm quick to mention long arms and short torso whenever anyone compliments my deadlift so they know why my deadlift increased faster in less time with less effort compared to most people. I have never needed to "bust my butt" for deadlift progress like I need to with squat and bench - my squat and bench receive 10 times as much effort from me compared to deadlift, because that's what they need to keep moving. That's just me being honest.

[johndoejd54]

I feel like leverages are more important for very athletic people who can do everything you give them so leverages give em an edge, or is another internet BS thing like "oh his arms are so short that's why he benches more than me"

A lot of it will be about mobility for people, if you got a big fat gut then conventional will be hard, if you are not flexibile then sumo will be hard, for most people with big guts they are not flexible enough either and they just do a weird hybrid and suck.


Deadlift has a ton to do with mobility and ability to secure a perfect bottom position and sumo is like 90% this. If you can get a great bottom position in sumo you pretty much just picked up the weight.

Conventional on the other hand has a more forgiving bottom position.



Another thing too, i believe, is also someone's mental outlook


If they are one of those people attracted to like the science of the sport their mind might come better to sumo since it requires more thinking due to technique

Someone that is attracted to the aggressiveness might be better suited for conventional since there is less thinking involved and less focus on technique, it will allow that person to be more easily consumed by their aggression

[kaleida]

Actually now that I think of it there is one type of leverage discussion that annoys me - when people claim a leverage disadvantage that they don't actually have.

For example claiming "long femurs" when their knees are near their sternum in the hole of a squat and their squat looks like it came right out of a textbook how-to-squat drawing. That annoys me a bit. I've only seen it happen once or twice.

Most talk about leverage disadvantages and advantages sounds interesting and productive to me though.

[isaku900]

I don't see it as bitching....

from my perspective its only bitching when people say "i can't squat a lot because my long femurs"
"he only benches a lot because his arms are short"

when used as a reason you can't be "good" its bitching.

"I'll never be a world record bencher because my upper arms are long, but I'm doing my damndest to make sure it isn't a weakness in my total" is not bitching. its realistic.

[kaleida]

from my perspective its only bitching when people say "i can't squat a lot because my long femurs"
"he only benches a lot because his arms are short"

when used as a reason you can't be "good" its bitching.

"I'll never be a world record bencher because my upper arms are long, but I'm doing my damndest to make sure it isn't a weakness in my total" is not bitching. its realistic.

Yeah that makes sense...with enough time and effort a long-femur squat / long-arm bench / short-arm deadlift / etc can still be really impressive

[MEJ1990TM]

I win hands down.

I even have a collection. I bet all of you only have one.

Quality over quantity.

[300lb10yrs]

While I feel leverages matter, they only matter relative to how have to train to keep progressing your lifts.

As far as progressing the lifts I am also a bench and squat heavy Deadlift moderate or speed. For years I trained DL to heavy and all I did was hurt myself. Now I do 1 max triple once every couple months. But my volume of DL (variations) is up to 4 in one week never going above 80% usually 60%. I always squat first heavy or moderate 2x a week.

What I think works we'll for everyone is deficits. DL and BP, buffalo bar benching for me does everything for my bench that stiff leg deficits do for my DL. It was we'll worth the purchase from Westside.

[tinytim1]

The way i see it there's no such thing as perfect levers, only making your form perfect to make the most of them

[Retardo-pex]

According to conventional wisdom I should be a very strong conventional deadlifter. I have always been much more comfortable in a sumo stance and pull an average of 80 lbs more like this. I train conventional but if I had to do a competition tomorrow it would be sumo no questions asked.

[Explogorm]

I have long legs, short torso and short arms according to a website I was on....

Bench=48% of my squat, lol

According to my limb lengths I should be a ****ty squatter, but I can squat ****in anything for some reason. I always thought that they were the most important thing, but they obviously don't mean ****

[kaleida]

I have long legs, short torso and short arms according to a website I was on....

Bench=48% of my squat, lol

According to my limb lengths I should be a ****ty squatter, but I can squat ****in anything for some reason. I always thought that they were the most important thing, but they obviously don't mean ****

Maybe your femurs aren't long enough or your torso isn't short enough to give you the same squat problems that other people need to solve. I've actually never met a long-femur/short-torso person who didn't appreciate the difficulty of the squat problem they just solved, even after they solve it. And overall leg length doesn't matter much in a squat, only the hip-to-knee length and hip-to-bar length can turn it into a leverage disadvantage, so that website already sounds iffy to me.