The Official Powerlifting and Strongman Family Appreciation thread: Part XVI

[doctor220]

i completely see the point with curls & elbow pain because it's antagonist muscles and with added curls you're probably getting rid of a disbalance, so far so good

but with reverse grip pushdown's i don't really see the reason biomechanically, the pronation/supination of the arm is mainly a function of your biceps muscle and as such i don't see it hitting the triceps that much differently...except that it's a harder movement which makes you use less weight and in turn maybe helps with some pain symptoms

...coming from someone who loved reverse grip pushdown's for years...asked myself why - couldn't find an answer (except bb'ers saying: hitting dah fibruhz from all dah anglez herp derp'') - dropped them from my workouts and didn't see a difference tbh

eh I'd say the supinator is the primary supinator and that biceps is more an accessory for supination from my studies. anyway I just look at it like, if the movement was just doing the same thing as benching ( extension and pronation) and someone was getting elbow pain from that, doing the same modalities more(as in doing the pushdowns with a pronated grip)would just be more wear and tear in my opinion. I think developing the supinator could help in relieving any pain from an overdevelopment of the various pronators( there's 4-5 if I remember right). Just my take. I'd be curious to hear someone's take that is actually knowledgeable about bio-mechanics, because that definitely isn't me.

[Big.Jazayrli]

what do people think about 100% raw fed? they got a push pull meet near me soon, might have some friends compete there.

push pull meet?

why would you ever want to do a meet where you don't get to squat?

[doctor220]

any more of you fkers make video logs and we gonna have a problem. semi-srs, I swear every person that lifts is trying to turn into candito or isuf

[jsullivan93]

any more of you fkers make video logs and we gonna have a problem. semi-srs, I swear every person that lifts is trying to turn into candito or isuf

fight me irl



I'll have you know I have 200 subscribers and my Dad likes all my videos on ********

[Jason2459]

fight me irl



I'll have you know I have 200 subscribers and my Dad likes all my videos on ********

Sub trade? Collab?


No idea what that is but I've seen guys say that....

[jsullivan93]

Sub trade? Collab?


No idea what that is but I've seen guys say that....

Can we both complain about how we don't sleep enough, and then just sigh and start clicking to refresh the page on the bb.com fam thread??????

You because of kids, me because of full time work and class lol




(I'm already subbed to you btw )

[Jason2459]

Can we both complain about how we don't sleep enough, and then just sigh and start clicking to refresh the page on the bb.com fam thread??????

You because of kids, me because of full time work and class lol




(I'm already subbed to you btw )

lol yeah. It gets quite boring here after midnight.


yep I'm subbed

[NorthStrong]

push pull meet?

why would you ever want to do a meet where you don't get to squat?

so much fkn this, squatting is the only lift that matters the other 2 are stupid...

on the topic of push pull totals though, I was talkin to budreiser a while ago about who would have the best push pull total, and I think it's a pretty interesting thing to think about.

I might be wrong but I think Kirill holds the raw push pull record at 1521 with like 700 / 821. I think Bill Kazmaier woulda done damn well, he deadlifted 886.7 and hit that 661 bench (both raw, seperate competitions) which gives him a combined total of 1547 which is better than Kirills.

Any of the huge deadlifters would do well in this too really. A guy like Benni, or Andy Bolton, who can pull over 900 would "only" need a 600lb bench to hit 1500.

[NorthStrong]

aaand in other news, Megatron is back and he is dropping the hammer on Andy Bolton, and Larry / Jimmie Specifico

[invain]

i completely see the point with curls & elbow pain because it's antagonist muscles and with added curls you're probably getting rid of a disbalance, so far so good

but with reverse grip pushdown's i don't really see the reason biomechanically, the pronation/supination of the arm is mainly a function of your biceps muscle and as such i don't see it hitting the triceps that much differently...except that it's a harder movement which makes you use less weight and in turn maybe helps with some pain symptoms

...coming from someone who loved reverse grip pushdown's for years...asked myself why - couldn't find an answer (except bb'ers saying: hitting dah fibruhz from all dah anglez herp derp'') - dropped them from my workouts and didn't see a difference tbh

You guys are reading way too much into this. It's not meant to be a 'workout'. It's to increase blood flow and work the tendons through high volume. High intensity, low volume is not good for your joints/tendons. I've read a couple sources in the past stating that tendons require much higher volume to grow/strengthen.

[zmcdole]

what do people think about 100% raw fed? they got a push pull meet near me soon, might have some friends compete there.

Tell them there's a good chance there will be a lot of misloads and judges who don't know their head from a hole in the ground.

I spotted and loaded at Worlds two years ago and I've never seen so many misloads in my life. We as the loaders made no misloads or errors on our own. We loaded what we were told, but many times we were told incorrectly. Some of the time the expediter put the wrong # down, some of the time what the expediter said was misinterpreted, etc etc. However, more often than not the lifter ended up lifting the weight and was then told it was a misload and that they would have another attempt and if I remember correctly not too many if any of the lifters were successful with their redo. On top of that not on single judge there, nor Paul Bossi himself, knew if a reverse grip bench was allowed. Then to top that off there was a Russian lifter who slept late and missed the 1st two attempts of squats. We (the loaders) were told to intentionally misload weight to stall so this Russian lifter could get a squat in. Most pathetic excuse for a meet I've ever seen in my life.

[mitten]

Tell them there's a good chance there will be a lot of misloads and judges who don't know their head from a hole in the ground.

I spotted and loaded at Worlds two years ago and I've never seen so many misloads in my life. We as the loaders made no misloads or errors on our own. We loaded what we were told, but many times we were told incorrectly. Some of the time the expediter put the wrong # down, some of the time what the expediter said was misinterpreted, etc etc. However, more often than not the lifter ended up lifting the weight and was then told it was a misload and that they would have another attempt and if I remember correctly not too many if any of the lifters were successful with their redo. On top of that not on single judge there, nor Paul Bossi himself, knew if a reverse grip bench was allowed. Then to top that off there was a Russian lifter who slept late and missed the 1st two attempts of squats. We (the loaders) were told to intentionally misload weight to stall so this Russian lifter could get a squat in. Most pathetic excuse for a meet I've ever seen in my life.

haha oh man that sounds awful. There is a curl part also, but sadly no squats.

[BYOBB]

Depth???

so much fkn this, squatting is the only lift that matters the other 2 are stupid...

on the topic of push pull totals though, I was talkin to budreiser a while ago about who would have the best push pull total, and I think it's a pretty interesting thing to think about.

I might be wrong but I think Kirill holds the raw push pull record at 1521 with like 700 / 821. I think Bill Kazmaier woulda done damn well, he deadlifted 886.7 and hit that 661 bench (both raw, seperate competitions) which gives him a combined total of 1547 which is better than Kirills.

Any of the huge deadlifters would do well in this too really. A guy like Benni, or Andy Bolton, who can pull over 900 would "only" need a 600lb bench to hit 1500.

Belyaev, Dan Green, Konstantinovs (at his peak) and Malanichev would be on the list somewhere. Not to mention Coan, Kuc, Cole, Reinhoudt etc.

[doctor220]

fight me irl



I'll have you know I have 200 subscribers and my Dad likes all my videos on ********

I just looked on yours and you've had it for over 2 years, I'm talking about all these queers that start one now. I bet somewhere out there, there's some kid that spends his whole day just watching other people's vlogs, seeing as there are like 1000 now.

[doctor220]

You guys are reading way too much into this. It's not meant to be a 'workout'. It's to increase blood flow and work the tendons through high volume. High intensity, low volume is not good for your joints/tendons. I've read a couple sources in the past stating that tendons require much higher volume to grow/strengthen.

I've never really understood the concept of working tendons. I don't see why a tendon gets worked more with higher volume. It seems to me like it would be worked the same way the muscle is worked. I absolutely agree about the blood flow for sure. When you say high volume, do you mean like hypertrophy work? I've seen some people that go past that, like much lighter and higher reps, and I don't really see the reasoning behind that. If we're just talking standard hypertrophy rep schemes, then yeah I agree for sure.

[mitten]

I just looked on yours and you've had it for over 2 years, I'm talking about all these queers that start one now. I bet somewhere out there, there's some kid that spends his whole day just watching other people's vlogs, seeing as there are like 1000 now.

it bugs me when there are 15 yr olds that just started lifting and they create fitness channels. Really curious to see the knowledge they've gained in such a short time.

I've never really understood the concept of working tendons. I don't see why a tendon gets worked more with higher volume. It seems to me like it would be worked the same way the muscle is worked. I absolutely agree about the blood flow for sure. When you say high volume, do you mean like hypertrophy work? I've seen some people that go past that, like much lighter and higher reps, and I don't really see the reasoning behind that. If we're just talking standard hypertrophy rep schemes, then yeah I agree for sure.

I thought heavy lifting was the best for increased tendon strength?

[doctor220]

it bugs me when there are 15 yr olds that just started lifting and they create fitness channels. Really curious to see the knowledge they've gained in such a short time.

I thought heavy lifting was the best for increased tendon strength?

No idea. I feel like this subject has always been rich in bro-science. I don't see why it would be any different than muscle, seeing as they transmit the force of muscle to bone, so anything the muscle does has to go through the tendon. Not sure if growth is the only way to strengthen them, or if there are neural pathways that can be remodeled, like with muscle.

[Jason2459]

lol yeah. It gets quite boring here after midnight.

Le sigh....

[baize82]

so much fkn this, squatting is the only lift that matters the other 2 are stupid...

on the topic of push pull totals though, I was talkin to budreiser a while ago about who would have the best push pull total, and I think it's a pretty interesting thing to think about.

I might be wrong but I think Kirill holds the raw push pull record at 1521 with like 700 / 821. I think Bill Kazmaier woulda done damn well, he deadlifted 886.7 and hit that 661 bench (both raw, seperate competitions) which gives him a combined total of 1547 which is better than Kirills.

Any of the huge deadlifters would do well in this too really. A guy like Benni, or Andy Bolton, who can pull over 900 would "only" need a 600lb bench to hit 1500.

That huge guy from Westside pulled 9something and benched 6something

[LessThanLuke]

Why does everyone nuthug Mike T so much? Hasn't his total gone down like almost 100lbs over the past few years?

[mitten]

Why does everyone nuthug Mike T so much? Hasn't his total gone down like almost 100lbs over the past few years?

prolly cuz hes very meticulatous with his training. Doesnt seem to spout bro science. Is strong as fuk. Did not know about his total going down tho. Did he get injured?

[adamsz]

I'm curious why you think so. I bombed on bench at raw nats. Opened with a weight I've done easily in the gym but strained my pec on the 1st attempt, retook it and messed my pec up really bad and had to pass on my final attempt. Came completely out of nowhere; my last warmup felt 100% fine. Point is it wasn't bad attempt selection but rather an injury. Why should that disqualify me from competing next year?

Had the exact same thing happen at a meet earlier this year I got my 1st attempt tho but had to scratch my second and third attempts, was so frustrating too because I was peaked as hell.

[LessThanLuke]

prolly cuz hes very meticulatous with his training. Doesnt seem to spout bro science. Is strong as fuk. Did not know about his total going down tho. Did he get injured?

Meticulous yet he always totals less in comps than he hits in his skills evaluation sessions....

[BYOBB]

Meticulous yet he always totals less in comps than he hits in his skills evaluation sessions....

That's probably why he hasn't been posting many vids as of late.

When anyone talks about rpe, Mike is the go-to guy, so just that makes him pretty well known. He represented USA on the world stage in and out of gear for the past 10 years, that's another plus. His lifting technique is pretty "clean" and consistent, so people try to get to that level. Like if someone asks "how do I deadlift" they end up getting linked some vids of Mike pulling. He posts articles that make people question their training. He trains alone and when he was in gear that was interesting to watch. He has a sort of "exotic" training method using his tendo unit which people think is cool too.

And I think, by design or not, he's painted as "anti-Westside Method" so that gets people talking. All that combined with coaching and his books/DVDs/seminars makes him pretty famous.

[happylifter]

invain offers advice i take advice and thank him as it felt good when i did it and after which is normally when i get some pain



guys try to argue with it



herp derp its advice his not saying stop your wasting your time if you dont follow my 6 second short cut to abs and im fairly sure scientists dont hate him

[LessThanLuke]

That's probably why he hasn't been posting many vids as of late.

When anyone talks about rpe, Mike is the go-to guy, so just that makes him pretty well known. He represented USA on the world stage in and out of gear for the past 10 years, that's another plus. His lifting technique is pretty "clean" and consistent, so people try to get to that level. Like if someone asks "how do I deadlift" they end up getting linked some vids of Mike pulling. He posts articles that make people question their training. He trains alone and when he was in gear that was interesting to watch. He has a sort of "exotic" training method using his tendo unit which people think is cool too.

And I think, by design or not, he's painted as "anti-Westside Method" so that gets people talking. All that combined with coaching and his books/DVDs/seminars makes him pretty famous.

Oh I know why he is famous and I am a fan of his but when someone consistently totals far less in comps than they hit in the gym maybe they aren't as smart as everyone thinks...

[TheIronAsylum]

well schit my backs still all tweaked/fuarked up im going to take a break from powerlifting type training and work on weaknesses i had in the main 3 since i cant squat or deadlift heavy right now


its not like i had a meet or anything so not a big deal
dear diary

[BYOBB]

Oh I know why he is famous and I am a fan of his but when someone consistently totals far less in comps than they hit in the gym maybe they aren't as smart as everyone thinks...

Dunno if being smart has anything to do with it.

[davehaggett]

Oh I know why he is famous and I am a fan of his but when someone consistently totals far less in comps than they hit in the gym maybe they aren't as smart as everyone thinks...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who wonders these things lol

[ErickStevens]

Mike is a really nice guy who contributes a lot of great stuff to the training community.

He's been battling a bunch of injuries lately. I know going into Raw Nats he had a screwed up elbow, glute, and SI joint. He totaled just what he needed to win. I guess you can only hit 2000 raw so many times in a row before your body starts get a little banged up.

He can still hit ~1900 without even trying so I guess he's decent.