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07-30-2014, 10:47 AM #1651Training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165829701
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07-30-2014, 10:48 AM #1652It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife
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Squat 661
Bench 490...........................................666.9
Dead 585
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07-30-2014, 10:57 AM #1653
It reminds me of when people say that benching straight up off your chest is a shorter ROM to lockout instead of benching back to the hooks. The weight still moves the same distance against the force by which it is being pulled back to earth... Do you even gravity bruh?
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07-30-2014, 11:05 AM #1654It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife
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Squat 661
Bench 490...........................................666.9
Dead 585
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07-30-2014, 11:16 AM #1655*Mods/CS will not, nor can they change your username, so don't ask*
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07-30-2014, 11:18 AM #1656YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/NorthStrongSC
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After seeing a hard workout you may want to complain and want others to pity you for the work you have to do. Your mom will pity you. Your girl will pity you. I may pity you, but your competition will not pity you. They will step on you, walk over you and spit on you. � Boris Sheiko
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07-30-2014, 11:27 AM #1657
Last edited by ShortDave; 07-30-2014 at 11:33 AM. Reason: I sometimes suck at spelling
It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife
Raw competition lifts ....................Equipped
Squat 661
Bench 490...........................................666.9
Dead 585
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07-30-2014, 11:29 AM #1658
Sounds right.
The point is, I don't believe one is more difficult than the other, because you are still moving the bar the same distance against gravity. That's where the leverage advantages comes into play when picking a preference. I've always found it easier to push back to the hooks.
Edit: ShawtyDave wizarded me... I can't even argue with you because I think you're too cool.More weight is always more impressive... ShortDave
Bench is not rocket science, it's quite easy to perform... Fredrik Smulter
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07-30-2014, 11:33 AM #1659
Yeah physiology is going to be the most important factor regarding the best bar path. Just purely distance, straight line up is shortest. Force production, the only force working against gravity is upward force. If you're benching toward the hooks only the vertical vector component is moving weight. I bench toward the hooks though, maybe that's why my bench sucks lol..
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07-30-2014, 11:42 AM #1660
...benching in a straight line is a charicteristic of novices. Its bad. Unless you're in a denim bench shirt, in which case that's how those shirts work.
benching towards your leverage advantage is better, and is a characteristic of experienced/strong benchers.*Mods/CS will not, nor can they change your username, so don't ask*
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07-30-2014, 11:45 AM #1661
Here's my thoughts on benching with a straight line bar path/straight up and down: if you tuck your elbows even a little and then press straight up your arms are going to end up angling towards the end of the bench. I don't know about you guys, but I don't like doing a front raise while I'm benching. Now if you bench in a flared position then you can probably bench straight up and down without any problems.
Oh and let's say your arms end up locked out in a vertical position, you will have used a ton of front delt and chest and very little tricep. Driving back towards the hooks gets your elbows under the bar to allow you to drive/punch through the bar to finish the lift.1708 total @220 Raw
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07-30-2014, 11:45 AM #1662More weight is always more impressive... ShortDave
Bench is not rocket science, it's quite easy to perform... Fredrik Smulter
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07-30-2014, 11:48 AM #1663
For correct bar path see my last meet vid at about the 2 minute mark. Even the spotter at the end shrugged and I think said "nice bar path" to someone
Got red lighted for dipping 4 times or something but I don't buy that call
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07-30-2014, 11:50 AM #1664
Trettin and I had this discussion of bench bar path the other day. I brought it up because Ben Esgro and Ryan Doris talk about how the best way to bench is straight line since it's the shortest bar path. But we both agreed that pressing back plays to your leverages, feels stronger and all the best benchers in the world do it.
There was definitely downward motion of the bar and the spotter touched it. No lift. But you can whine and blame the judges if you want.1372 @ 205
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07-30-2014, 11:51 AM #1665
Read that eliteFTS article but yes, "J" bar path is the way forward unless you have a massive arch and wide as fuark grip. In that case, only way is straight I suppose, and even then probably a bit of a "J".
It feels very natural though once it clicks. You tuck and flare and it feels very strong.202.5/135/245. Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165241801.
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07-30-2014, 11:52 AM #1666"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
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07-30-2014, 11:56 AM #1667
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07-30-2014, 12:08 PM #1668
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07-30-2014, 12:35 PM #1669
Any cues on bar path then? Mine is always straight and my bench is terrible to say the least
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07-30-2014, 12:38 PM #1670
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07-30-2014, 12:56 PM #1671
Do you even sarcasm bro?
Edit: (obviously the following is all based on personal anecdotal evidence, and is in no way based on scientific studies)
If you think about it, the bar is not touching on a totally flat surface, especially if you have an arch. So if you are trying to press perpendicular to the floor, you are fighting the bars natural motion as it comes off your chest. I feel like when pressing towards the hooks you are pushing with the natural momentum of the bar. It's obviously very miniscule, but when you are trying to be the best, the little things add up.
Also, I've learned a lot about my best leverages while doing dead presses just off the chest. If I roll the bar down to where I touch, I can barely get it to move, but as I bring it back towards face the bar picks up speed. Doing dead presses also helped me pick my grip width.Last edited by kmc06005; 07-30-2014 at 01:02 PM.
More weight is always more impressive... ShortDave
Bench is not rocket science, it's quite easy to perform... Fredrik Smulter
Youtube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCmVOUy3IyAVqR2bFCoKzffw/videos
My BP log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=171116851
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07-30-2014, 01:15 PM #1672
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07-30-2014, 01:18 PM #1673
anyone see the latest training footage from brett gibbs? mind bottling to say the least
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07-30-2014, 01:36 PM #1674YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/NorthStrongSC
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After seeing a hard workout you may want to complain and want others to pity you for the work you have to do. Your mom will pity you. Your girl will pity you. I may pity you, but your competition will not pity you. They will step on you, walk over you and spit on you. � Boris Sheiko
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07-30-2014, 01:38 PM #1675
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Regardless of the level you are at, if you have the disposable income, I would recommend hiring a coach for your training and/or nutrition. You can learn a lot by listening to the coach and apply it going forward. Sure, the internet has the same resources, but it also has bad information and the ability to make your path wander through over analysis.
The other thing, I really don't like the thought of hiring a coach for 12 weeks or what ever. Any coach can make you appear stronger through giving you a peaking cycle. Commit to one for a year or two and see how it goes. If you cannot find a coach at a price that you could commit to for that length of time, I would not do it.Strongman Training Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=138026593
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07-30-2014, 02:32 PM #1676It'd be like staying fat while running marathons because it's more impressive to finish a marathon when you're overweight. It might be impressive in the short run, but in the long run it just doesn't make any sense. ~breathinglife
Raw competition lifts ....................Equipped
Squat 661
Bench 490...........................................666.9
Dead 585
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07-30-2014, 02:54 PM #1677
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07-30-2014, 02:57 PM #1678
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I paid for his coaching the 10 weeks leading up to nationals. He charges around the same as Mike T from what I gather about what Mike T charges.
I would say, and this is for me personally, that his input on a weekly basis on my technique and my nutrition was far more valuable than the program itself. I did set PR's and am confident in his programming and everything, but there is just more to it than that.
As a testimonial, I am signing up again for offseason coaching and for a December meet. Having a sounding board vs. making decisions in a vacuum is huge for me. I do have access to a good powerlifting gym as well, but I normally work 70-80 hour weeks, so to accomodate my schedule I have to train at 4:30am and don't get to see those guys much. That's where the value comes in. Think about it - if you were a baseball player and could talk to Troy Tulowitzki about your hitting every week, it would be well worth $100/mo.
I would also say that even if you only hire him (or any other coach) for 10-12 weeks, that can set you in a new direction that is worth far more than the price of admission. I learned so much over those 10 weeks that if I programmed myself and coached myself for 1-2 years I would probably be in a pretty good place. Just dip your toe in if you have the dough.
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07-30-2014, 03:03 PM #1679
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Out of curiosity I reached out to said "DUP Specialist", and I can agree for programming he is very expensive, but if you want to take a shot at it yourself and just talk training with him he'll do it. He (Dr. Zourdos) is a really approachable guy and was willing to just talk shop with me.
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07-30-2014, 03:14 PM #1680
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