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    despite his poor conditioning, ramy was by far the most impressive thing on stage. his size alone should get him top 5. mass should be equally important as conditioning.
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    One thing for sure, there will be tears.
    Agree.... tears from some fans!
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    Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer View Post
    Go ahead. Keep ignoring the side ab shot he was giving where his gut was all over the place. His stomach was BETTER than last year, but by no means was it "great"
    You must be thinking giant abs when flexing is "gut all over the place". Kai always had a giant midsection, but his midsection is lean, not bloated like Phil's. When Phil flexes his abs are washed out, there is almost no definition/seperation between the abs. When Kai flexes you can see each individual muscle. The side chest where you can't see his serratus because he hides it with his arm? Still looks better than Phil's. Kai is not off unless in your mind he had abdominal striations and a 26inch waist. If you did, then please stop dreaming and come back to reality. Kai came in a best as he possible could this year (towards the end of prejudging). Phil doesn't even have abs during the abs and thigh shot so even a bigger midsection with abs is better than a small midsection with no abs.

    You're essentially judging these guys by their muscle insertions. If you judge by that then you can have a list and just give the guy who meets all of those qualifications as best as possible the win.
    1.Long Biceps
    2.Small midsection
    3.Delted Caps
    3.Lack of striations on quads
    4.High calf insertions
    5.High traps
    6.Gigantic forearms

    If you judging by that list, there is no possible way anyone but Phil can win. But if your looking at the overall package and know people can't change their insertions and structure then Kai has done a much much better job with his physique than Phil and should get the win.

    I would love to know how you can possible think Kai is off/Phil can even possibly win this if your looking at the overall look they bring. If you not judging by genetics and have Phil winning I really don't understand. If Phil is better than Kai then Shawn has everything Phil does too and Shawn will place first.
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    Originally Posted by sexnews View Post
    Agree.... tears from some fans!
    What do people even debate anymore, how bodybuilding SHOULD be judged, how it IS going to be judged or how they personally believe it should be judged.

    If anything, the hob goblin being in the running for the top 6 should tell us that anything can and will happen.
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    Originally Posted by rocco421 View Post
    despite his poor conditioning, ramy was by far the most impressive thing on stage. his size alone should get him top 5. mass should be equally important as conditioning.
    So Kai should just show up in offseason condition? Because Kai is more conditioned in offseason than Ramy was on stage this contest

    Dexter gets the top 5 nod because Ramy was PATHETIC in terms of conditioning. He was a cloud from the rear.
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    1) Lol no one will read those big ass essays brahs, didnotreadlol.gif
    2) Again, last night Alina had Iris CLEARLY beat, yet got 2nd. So I ask: those who think Kai wins,, do you think judges will give it to him anyway?
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    Originally Posted by extricate View Post
    Where would people place Ramy?
    1. Kai
    2. Phil
    3. Rhoden/Wolf/Dex
    6. Ramy

    Wouldn't even bother me if Branch was above Ramy TBH, that's how out of shape Ramy was
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    Originally Posted by FlatBodybuilder View Post
    1. Kai
    2. Phil
    3. Rhoden/Wolf/Dex
    6. Ramy

    Wouldn't even bother me if Branch was above Ramy TBH, that's how out of shape Ramy was
    Probably will. Victor in 6th Branch 7th Ramy 8th.
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    So many debates!!Hhhhnnnggggggg

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    I'm waiting for Roro to defend Phil's midsection like he did with Kai's a few days ago
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    If kai loses, im completely ok with it based on how he acted last night. He couldve been the bigger man and made it super obvious phil was inching closer it him. All he had to do was look at the crowd, point at phil, and shoo phil away. Whipping his hair in phil face? What a child
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    Originally Posted by FlatBodybuilder View Post
    So Kai should just show up in offseason condition? Because Kai is more conditioned in offseason than Ramy was on stage this contest

    Dexter gets the top 5 nod because Ramy was PATHETIC in terms of conditioning. He was a cloud from the rear.
    his overall advantage in size and shape (which is significant to say the least) should help compensate for his lack of conditioning. why should dex get rewarded so much more for conditioning when ramy's size makes the blade look like a school girl
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    I didn't watch the webcast last night, so I have gotten all of my information from this thread.

    Based on the order of callouts (from what I can ascertain), the top 4 is something like this:

    Heath/Kai
    Rhoden
    Wolf


    Phil, Kai, and Wolf were compared in the numerical lineups. The fact that the top 3 included Rhoden instead of him means that the judges felt Wolf was not good enough and they wanted him to be compared in the next lineup. Then the fact that Wolf got bumped back up means that they had in ahead of everyone in that lineup. So at the beginning of the (final) lineup, Wolf was 4th (Because 1-3 group (not ranks!) were already decided with the first callout). So unless Wolf solidly improved so much in that final lineup to beat Rhoden, then its pretty clear he is 4th. Bear in mind that for him to move up past 4th, he would not only have to be beating Rhoden, but beating him by so much to compensate for his lack of being in the first callout. Wolf might have scored some points against Rhoden (i.e, its not a clear 3rd/4th perfect score), but the chance of him to have beaten him last night, let alone in a higher ranking, seems unlikely.

    Rhoden most likely has third in lock. I can't imagine that the IFBB would break up the infamous Kai versus Phil rivarly like that, especially with people saying its so close.

    The consensus I got from the forums/limited pictures is that Phil is off, but so is Kai. But people seem to be saying that Phil is more off than Kai, so the current off-Kai beats the off-Phil. Of course, other people are saying Phil wins, but this seems to be the general mood.

    Now, regardless of what happens tonight, IF the scores for prejudging show that Phil won with perfect scores, then it appears that something is clearly wrong (rigged). Whatever the outcome of 1-2, no one should win with perfect scores it seems.

    This is what I ascertained solely from reading BB.com forum threads (did not look at the webcast).
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    This is what I was trying to point out earlier and this shot shows it clearly. Phil is once again ahead of the line. Notice how his arm is almost completely covering Kai's arm. His upper back and arms are a good 6 or 7 inches closer to the judges and clearly making Kai cramped due to space and even blocking him from view. He kept doing this constantly and Kai realizes it.

    If you guys pay attention to the pics there's a whole sequence of them. Does anyone have pics/video showing the line on the ground to see exactly where they really stand?
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    Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer View Post
    I think 2012 Kai might have actually beaten this version of Phil (mostly due to Phil's turn for the worse in the ab department)
    100% agree with this. but for now, theres no way phil can lose. also with kai's age, he wont get back to 2012 either, so for Phil its really not hard to get some titles stacking.
    if ramy comes in peeled next year, then we'd have ourselves a new competition.
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    just imagine how hilarious it would be if Big Ramy competed in the Men's Physique class
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    I think you've got the wrong person, I have no idea what you're referring to.
    I've definitely got the right person.
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    Wow at above Pics, Kai is so dominant over Phil, and this is just first the mandatory, at callouts Phil was getting worst, as Kai gets better and better and in the time of first and second Kai was a lot better. There is huge difference between them. Kai is so much ahead of Phil. And this is the FLS where Kai Destroy Phil again.
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