Doggcrapp Training

[musclehead09]

Anyone here use DC training for bodybuilding? Lots of people like saying it's advanced including Dante himself BUT he contradicts himself in every article stating he'd take a 5'9 160 beginner to intermediate and have him use his methods (explaining his methods as what doggcrapp is). I've also seen some logs where beginners became advanced using the system.

I've had great results with westside for my powerlifting but I'll be bodybuilding after November. I figured the emphasis on progression in strength utilizing DC training is great.

I love this idea compared to the typical high volume one body part a day routines you see everywhere.

[swole-striation]

Anyone here use DC training for bodybuilding? Lots of people like saying it's advanced including Dante himself BUT he contradicts himself in every article stating he'd take a 5'9 160 beginner to intermediate and have him use his methods (explaining his methods as what doggcrapp is). I've also seen some logs where beginners became advanced using the system.

I've had great results with westside for my powerlifting but I'll be bodybuilding after November. I figured the emphasis on progression in strength utilizing DC training is great.

I love this idea compared to the typical high volume one body part a day routines you see everywhere.

Hey man, not the right section. Although I don't think there is enough volume for a bodybuilding physique. Strength? Seems pretty good.

[musclehead09]

Hey man, not the right section. Although I don't think there is enough volume for a bodybuilding physique. Strength? Seems pretty good.

Not the right section? I was wondering if any competitive Bodybuilders use the system. Thanks for responding though.

I've been thinking the same but it's created some massive Bodybuilders (non natural and natural).

[buzzbot]

Not the right section? I was wondering if any competitive Bodybuilders use the system. Thanks for responding though.

I've been thinking the same but it's created some massive Bodybuilders (non natural and natural).

We talk about pros here. They rarely post and even then it's only in their own thread. The closest I can think of to DC training would be dorian Yates's style of hit, it obviously worked for him, although... Yanno...

[musclehead09]

We talk about pros here. They rarely post and even then it's only in their own thread. The closest I can think of to DC training would be dorian Yates's style of hit, it obviously worked for him, although... Yanno...

I was looking at blood and guts as well (not the site workout but the concept of how Dorian trains). That really interests me too but DC has higher frequency.

However I didn't know if you guys talked about training programs as well not just Bodybuilders.

[Giant_Killer]

Off the top of my head as far as pro's, David Henry, Steve Kuclo, and Dusty Hanshaw have used this system to good effect. Pretty sure they have moved on to different training methods, not 100% on that.

[musclehead09]

Off the top of my head as far as pro's, David Henry, Steve Kuclo, and Dusty Hanshaw have used this system to good effect. Pretty sure they have moved on to different training methods, not 100% on that.

I knew of Henry. Just checked a recent article from last year. He's been using it constantly since he started it years ago. I love the idea this type of training because volume training doesn't allow you to progress in strength at the same rate. Besides what bodybuilder who benches 315+ for reps has a small chest?

[buzzbot]

Didn't Sergio oliva do some low volume high frequency training for a while. Can't remember who with.. Natilus or something

[musclehead09]

Didn't Sergio oliva do some low volume high frequency training for a while. Can't remember who with.. Natilus or something

Sergio was a weightlifter turned bodybuilder. He did high volume high frequency stuff.

Back in the day all naturals like Reg Park, Steev Reeves, John Grimek, Marvin Eder, etc. trained really high frequency with heavy weights.

[bazookasword]

I knew of Henry. Just checked a recent article from last year. He's been using it constantly since he started it years ago. I love the idea this type of training because volume training doesn't allow you to progress in strength at the same rate. Besides what bodybuilder who benches 315+ for reps has a small chest?

One of my favorite bodybuilders Evan Centopani benches 4 plates for reps and his chest is lacking. Not to argue wit your point just sayin that you can have a strong ass bench without having an amazing chest. He is improving though, and he's doing less ultra heavy benching now a days (for a number if reasons I suppose)

[musclehead09]

One of my favorite bodybuilders Evan Centopani benches 4 plates for reps and his chest is lacking. Not to argue wit your point just sayin that you can have a strong ass bench without having an amazing chest. He is improving though, and he's doing less ultra heavy benching now a days (for a number if reasons I suppose)

Wow good point there. I was just following what Dante said as whoever I see benching ultra heavy weight has a big chest. Same for legs. Anyone who can do a 20 rep set of squats with 405 typically has huge legs.

Good point there though. I'm really debating what to follow when I start competitive bodybuilding to make the transition from Powerliftinng. Seeing as I'm natural I've been told to follow Wnbf guys which all do high volume body part splits hitting each muscle directly once a week.

[tom11]

I don't see how training to absolute (and even beyond...) failure everytime is going to help towards strength gains. It's always best to leave 1-2 reps on the tank when you want to increase strength in a compound exercise.

[IwillBaMonster]

They just use lots of steroids.

/thread

[Larfleeze]

"DC isn’t for anyone who hasn’t been lifting hardcore for at least three years. You have to know your body well and your way around a gym before shifting to something this intense."

From the creator of doggcrapp ^

[bazookasword]

They just use lots of steroids.

/thread

They just have the genetics for it (obviosuly with the drugs)

[musclehead09]

"DC isn’t for anyone who hasn’t been lifting hardcore for at least three years. You have to know your body well and your way around a gym before shifting to something this intense."

From the creator of doggcrapp ^

He also says he'd take a beginner and have him do it. He's contradicted himself many times.

Former poster SpiderMan997 was trained by Dante. He started with the lifts I'm at and is brutally strong now. He told me Dante says this stuff so beginners don't trash his routine. Think about it. The program has all the basics. Progressive overload, heavy weights, high enough frequency. He did say for naturals he (Spidey himself) recommends not going to failure but going 1 rep shy of failure and doing rest pauses that way.

Dante stated himself beginners need to get the obsessive compulsiveness to use so much volume out of the way before doing DC. He doesn't want program hoppers starting and ending DC within 4 weeks claiming it didn't work.

[xStevenx]

Love DC but it burns you out fast. Haven't done it in a while because no training partner. It is a fun routine.

[buzzbot]

He also says he'd take a beginner and have him do it. He's contradicted himself many times.

Former poster SpiderMan997 was trained by Dante. He started with the lifts I'm at and is brutally strong now. He told me Dante says this stuff so beginners don't trash his routine. Think about it. The program has all the basics. Progressive overload, heavy weights, high enough frequency. He did say for naturals he (Spidey himself) recommends not going to failure but going 1 rep shy of failure and doing rest pauses that way.

Dante stated himself beginners need to get the obsessive compulsiveness to use so much volume out of the way before doing DC. He doesn't want program hoppers starting and ending DC within 4 weeks claiming it didn't work.

Lol didn't he get banned for recommending a ridiculous amount of a certain drug that is often used instead of 'clean' to some new poster in the teen section? Unless you actually know him, don't trust his advice, he may be trolling. I remember a commotion about it during my lurking days

[Kiwi_]

i'm not that familiar with it...

I do, however, tend to stay away from training programs with the word "crap" in it....

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[BartPimpson]

doggcrapp was Dante Trudel's screenname in the old days if anyone's wondering.

[HeroesFall]

He still uses that username on forums he still posts on.

DC training is good but you need to be able to recover from it. That requires food and other things. David Henry is a fine example of the results. Lots of guys have tried it who compete and have given fairly positive response.


I've never tried it but its on my list if I reach a point where I would consider myself advanced and unable to develop my own program.

[tmd17]

Tried it before, it was alright. Most people are prone to overtraining via this method of training (including me). Rest-pause sets are just a way of reaching muscle failure which is key for muscular adaptations, however like I said before overtraining is EXTREMELY common with this kind of routine. I'd never run it again if that means anything to you.

[MrDeafMuscle]

I don't see how training to absolute (and even beyond...) failure everytime is going to help towards strength gains. It's always best to leave 1-2 reps on the tank when you want to increase strength in a compound exercise.

Maybe for you.

I strongly disagree with this. I strongly believe in breaking down your muscles in order for them to grow. My recovery rate is high and I love DOMS like I love my whores.

HIT works for me. I was able to add up to 5 lbs to my lifts every week and went from 225x8 to 335x 4 in 1.5 months. Prior to this I lifted for only 4 months after returning from an injury. I had to start all over again with 1 plate. So 1 plate to 3.3ish plates in 5.5 months utilizing HIT in the last 1.5 months since I had a real spotter that knew what he was doing.

It also depends on genetics as well. Everyone is different. My friend who I put on the same routine was very very slow in gaining strength. He was stuck with one plate for a year. I told him to eat more, told him to focus on his muscles, etc. I even had him try high reps as well. Nothing seemed to work.

Just have to find what works for you.

[musclehead09]

To all who said they overtrained did you follow Dante's old advice about blasting for only 4 weeks then cruising for 1-2 weeks? I feel if you worked it hard for 4 weeks you may have done okay. I'm not sure though.

Also for Spidey being banned this is true however he kept a log about his training. Even though he was a troll he had some good advice. He even created a template where he combined 5/3/1 with DC assistance and many did it which worked well.

[spamy]

To all who said they overtrained did you follow Dante's old advice about blasting for only 4 weeks then cruising for 1-2 weeks? I feel if you worked it hard for 4 weeks you may have done okay. I'm not sure though.

Also for Spidey being banned this is true however he kept a log about his training. Even though he was a troll he had some good advice. He even created a template where he combined 5/3/1 with DC assistance and many did it which worked well.

Where are you going for so long? Over the Atlantic Ocean?

[tom11]

Maybe for you.

I strongly disagree with this. I strongly believe in breaking down your muscles in order for them to grow. My recovery rate is high and I love DOMS like I love my whores.

HIT works for me. I was able to add up to 5 lbs to my lifts every week and went from 225x8 to 335x 4 in 1.5 months. Prior to this I lifted for only 4 months after returning from an injury. I had to start all over again with 1 plate. So 1 plate to 3.3ish plates in 5.5 months utilizing HIT in the last 1.5 months since I had a real spotter that knew what he was doing.

It also depends on genetics as well. Everyone is different. My friend who I put on the same routine was very very slow in gaining strength. He was stuck with one plate for a year. I told him to eat more, told him to focus on his muscles, etc. I even had him try high reps as well. Nothing seemed to work.

Just have to find what works for you.

Then I feel you are the minority. Most people make way faster strength gains while they stay away from failure. There is a reason for Prilepin's chart and there is a reason powerlifters almost NEVER reach failure to their sets.

Maybe even you could make faster gains if you didn't train to failure every time. Burning the CNS is a real thing, you need to stimulate not annihilate. That is if you are interested in increasing your strength of course.

[Got_tickets]

I believe cedric has stated he uses it on everything but legs. He occasonally mentions dante in his videos.

[jwtiger69]

My advice to head over to IM.com and ask questions. The is the place to go for all DC related questions.