Top 5 most essential supplements/vitamins?

**Atchy12** · 02-26-2007, 02:55 PM

I do not have a lot of money to spend on supps and vitamins and such, so I thought that I would just ask all the experts here on this forum before making another purchase.

Which 5 categories do you think are the most important building blocks for a solid foundation for growing lean muscle?

Right now, I am taking:

Multivitamin - NOW ADAM

Fish Oil - Generic drugstore brand

Protein - ON 100% Whey

Preworkout NO - Universal Shock Therapy

Creatine - Universal Storm

If you could let me know what categories you think are most important, and also list either the product you are taking, or some good products you know of for that category I would appreciate it greatly! Thank you all for your help!

**Staggy** · 02-26-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Atchy12

I do not have a lot of money to spend on supps and vitamins and such, so I thought that I would just ask all the experts here on this forum before making another purchase.

Which 5 categories do you think are the most important building blocks for a solid foundation for growing lean muscle?

Right now, I am taking:

Multivitamin - NOW ADAM

Fish Oil - Generic drugstore brand

Protein - ON 100% Whey

Preworkout NO - Universal Shock Therapy

Creatine - Universal Storm

If you could let me know what categories you think are most important, and also list either the product you are taking, or some good products you know of for that category I would appreciate it greatly! Thank you all for your help!

Personally i think everything there is important except NO you dont NEED but its good to have..

**punksurfer024** · 02-26-2007, 03:06 PM

looks good but NO products are pointless IMO.

**Ftballguy82** · 02-26-2007, 03:06 PM

Yeah definitely throw NO off the list of essential supps. I think that multi, flax/fish oil, protein, and depending on your goals creatine are the basics for a good supplement program.

**MoonMan12** · 02-26-2007, 03:07 PM

Multi, and protein if necessary.

Beyond that you've got creatine, NO, NHA, EBol, XF, and similar.

**Atchy12** · 02-26-2007, 03:08 PM

What is the main difference between flaxseed oil and fish oil?

**NoNameNecessary** · 02-26-2007, 03:09 PM

1. Protein (Dymatize Elite Whey, ErgoPharm GF-Pro)
2. Creatine (Monohydrate, Cl Green MAG, MAN Clout, DS Xceed)
3. Multivitamin (NOW ADAM, GNC Mega-Men)
4. Fish Oil (Optimum)
5. Beta-Alanine (AEN IntraXCell, MAN Body Octane)

**PaintPir** · 02-26-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Atchy12

What is the main difference between flaxseed oil and fish oil?

Heres some info on both, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/flax.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/fish.html

**Blake200423** · 02-26-2007, 03:13 PM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=fish+oil

**cakedonkey** · 02-26-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by punksurfer024

looks good but NO products are pointless IMO.

What about this one: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sns/arg.html.

**Kumquatv1** · 02-26-2007, 03:17 PM

If money is tight you can take out the NO. As people know I am pretty vocaly critical of it and think it is a waste of a supplement, but whatever floats peoples boats. I would recommend dropping the NO and using the surplus money on a creatine cocktail like Clout by MAN. Great stuff.

**Beejis60** · 02-26-2007, 03:36 PM

Though I really like shock therapy, you really don't need it. I would ax that and just keep the cash or invest in something you can bulk up with like Xfactor and the good thing is if you take Xfactor, you don't take fish oils/omega 3s so you get to save your cash in that department too!

**Atchy12** · 02-26-2007, 09:49 PM

Awesome! Thank you to all who added their input to this thread!

Another question:

Which creatine cocktail/blend do you think is the most effective for the money? (not including mono)

Thanks again for the assistance, it is definitely helping me shape my supplementation plans!

**user178944** · 02-26-2007, 09:50 PM

Protein
Fishoil
Multi
Creatine
BCAA/EAA

**user178944** · 02-26-2007, 09:51 PM

as i read more above

take out the NO and a good creatine is MAN-clout i strongly recommend it

and if you can, add some purplewraath for a great eaa

**Kumquatv1** · 02-26-2007, 09:54 PM

MAN Clout has the best ingredient list.

I know a lot of people will come in here saying Green Mag, and it is a great creatine, but it doesnt have what Clout does.

**sdsu28** · 02-26-2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kumquatv1

MAN Clout has the best ingredient list.

I know a lot of people will come in here saying Green Mag, and it is a great creatine, but it doesnt have what Clout does.

I think clout has the best ingredient profile, however it is quite a bit more expensive than Green MAG. I stick with Mag the majority of the year and throw in clout every once in a while when I have more cash. As far as value concerning price combined with quality nothing beats MAG.

**Cen-Tex_Lifter** · 02-26-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Atchy12

Awesome!
Which creatine cocktail/blend do you think is the most effective for the money? (not including mono)

quick question, why exclude monohydrate? it is definatly effective for 90% of ppl who take it correctly and is cheap as hell.
but if you are one of those 10 %, id say Green Mag, clout looks better on paper, but costs more.

**Atchy12** · 02-26-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by lancepimpdurmom

a good creatine is MAN-clout i strongly recommend it

and if you can, add some purplewraath for a great eaa

Clout does look pretty sweet! Apparently most people seem to think that that's the way to go for the best creatine product.

And yeah, I would really like to grab some Wraath, cuz everything that I see and read about it looks like it is the best product to get a ton of BCAAs and EAAs from. Hopefully I can start making some more money soon and try it out!

What do you guys think about Storm? That is the least expensive creatine blend that I have found that also has positive reviews to back it up.

**cakedonkey** · 02-26-2007, 10:18 PM

This is what I posted a little while back when posed the question: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...03&postcount=2.

Still, my opinion hasn't really changed.

**eldawg** · 02-27-2007, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by NoNameNecessary

1. Protein (Dymatize Elite Whey, ErgoPharm GF-Pro)
2. Creatine (Monohydrate, Cl Green MAG, MAN Clout, DS Xceed)
3. Multivitamin (NOW ADAM, GNC Mega-Men)
4. Fish Oil (Optimum)
5. Beta-Alanine (AEN IntraXCell, MAN Body Octane)

Nice list, though I would probably go with NOW EcoGreen for the multi and bulk BA.

**Atchy12** · 02-27-2007, 08:51 PM

Nice list, though I would probably go with NOW EcoGreen for the multi and bulk BA.

Two Quick Questions:

1) Where can I find bulk Beta-Alanine? I didn't see any when I did a quick search on the bodybuilding.com database.

2) Which is more important? BCAA/EAAs such as Wraath or Xtend; or a Beta-Alanine supp like IntraXCell?

**ZDub212** · 02-27-2007, 09:05 PM

Staples:

Protein: ON/Dymatize/IPRO/GFPRO
Creatine: Green Mag/Storm/Bulk Mono
Multivitamin: Optimens/Now Ecogreen/GNC Sport
Fish Oil: Now Omega 3/SAN Fish Fats/Bulk Fish Oil

Throw ins if you have the cash:
Antioxidants: Now Antioxidants/Vigor
BCAAS/EAAS: Purple Wraath/Xtend/Bulk
NO Product: NO Shotgun/Shock Therapy
ZMA: Dymatize Z-Force/Any & all
BA: Bulk/Carnage/Intraxcell

More advanced supplements:
X-Factor
Ebol
Anabolic Pump
NHA Stack
Powerfull
Evo Stack
HyperMass Stack

Nifty Niche Supplements...once in a while or as needed type deals:
Yellow Neuphoria
Black Hole
Super Cissus RX/Bulk Cissus
The Wedge

**Kumquatv1** · 02-27-2007, 09:05 PM

If you go with Clout it already has BA in it plus PW. No need to supp it then

**Atchy12** · 02-27-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kumquatv1

If you go with Clout it already has BA in it plus PW. No need to supp it then

Good point! I didn't think about that little detail!

**Atchy12** · 02-27-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

Staples:

Protein: ON/Dymatize/IPRO/GFPRO
Creatine: Green Mag/Storm/Bulk Mono
Multivitamin: Optimens/Now Ecogreen/GNC Sport
Fish Oil: Now Omega 3/SAN Fish Fats/Bulk Fish Oil

Throw ins if you have the cash:
Antioxidants: Now Antioxidants/Vigor
BCAAS/EAAS: Purple Wraath/Xtend/Bulk
NO Product: NO Shotgun/Shock Therapy
ZMA: Dymatize Z-Force/Any & all
BA: Bulk/Carnage/Intraxcell

More advanced supplements:
X-Factor
Ebol
Anabolic Pump
NHA Stack
Powerfull
Evo Stack
HyperMass Stack

Nifty Niche Supplements...once in a while or as needed type deals:
Yellow Neuphoria
Black Hole
Super Cissus RX/Bulk Cissus
The Wedge

Awesome list! Thanks for the insight! I'll definitely look into the supps you listed and see if I can find a perfect combination for all my bodybuilding needs!!

**ZDub212** · 02-27-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Atchy12

Awesome list! Thanks for the insight! I'll definitely look into the supps you listed and see if I can find a perfect combination for all my bodybuilding needs!!

No problem. Just remember, start off with the basics and then you can add something else in if you wish. My starter stack recommendation is:

Note "/" means or

Protein: ON/Dymatize
Creatine: Green Mag/Storm/Mono
Multi: GNC Sport/Now Ecogreen/Optimens
Fish Oil: Now Omega 3/Bulk Fish Oils

That's my simplified, more narrowed down list. Oh! I forgot to mention digestive enzymes in my first post. Now Super Enzymes are a great product! But anyways...

I would save your money on the staple supps, because most of them are all the same, and the results won't be so much different. Remember, results do not correlate with price most of the time. Diet/Training/Rest + Staples is all you need, and spending $100 on X protein or creatine product might yield the exact same results as spending $15 on y protein or creatine product. Plus, if you save money on the staples, you can then afford to spend money on the advanced supps.

**Jayman30187** · 02-27-2007, 09:30 PM

I wouldn't say Man clout has the best ingredient profile out there. Where is the caffeine in it? For B-Alanine needs go with Carnage much cheaper. Works great too with much higher dose of B-Alanine than clout.

**cakedonkey** · 02-27-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jayman30187

I wouldn't say Man clout has the best ingredient profile out there. Where is the caffeine in it? For B-Alanine needs go with Carnage much cheaper. Works great too with much higher dose of B-Alanine than clout.

Where in the world did you get the notion that a quality creatine and/or cell volumizer must include caffeine? If we were talking about a fat-burner, I'd probably agree. Furthermore, B-Alanine is not the only active in Clout, and the dosage is quite sufficient considering it is based on the actual studies regarding B-Alanine. You are getting a host of serious ergogenic actives (e.g. the orotate salts, IP6, ALCAR, etc.) that a stand-alone B-Alanine product wouldn't even begin to touch. And just FYI, Clout does have one of the absolute best profiles out there and pretty much nothing on the market at present touches it... your post was completely incorrect on so many levels. Please do a little (read: a lot) more research.

**Renthal** · 02-27-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Atchy12

Awesome! Thank you to all who added their input to this thread!

Another question:

Which creatine cocktail/blend do you think is the most effective for the money? (not including mono)

Thanks again for the assistance, it is definitely helping me shape my supplementation plans!

Storm is definatley the most cost effective creatine cocktail.

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