Flex Wheeler vs Phil Heath

[RoroCwalker]

Flex had an amazing back double bicep, at least in terms of the back portion, but his rear lat spread was his weakest pose.

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Even Nasser is beating him here. Kevin is schooling both of them. It's funny Flex had great back thickness and zero width, Kevin had great width but zero thickness, put them together and you have Ronnie Coleman.

http://musclemecca.com/showthread.ph...-vs-Phil-Heath

already been done, keep in mind this is in 2008 when Phil wasn't even close to his best, and a lot of people already had Phil beating Flex.

His RLS wasn't his best pose, but it's pretty similar to Phil's (from the waist up), they have similar features, only one is more conditioned than the other.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

You gonna tell me Flex didn't almost beat him in 98? This is what is always funny to me about this forum...there are guys you can never question.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean they are crazy. It might just mean they have different criteria.

So your criteria is being an oil bag?

I am going to tell you he did not almost beat him in 98.


The thread specifies "In their prime." Oily time was not Flex's prime. As for him not having a back, he does but it makes Phil's look super wide by comparison.

[tsiparlanaeht]

Oh and if were going with pictures from the 90's that look like it was filmed in a basement then I might as well post this one up too:

[miscing4life]

His RLS wasn't his best pose, but it's pretty similar to Phil's (from the waist up), they have similar features, only one is more conditioned than the other.

Structurally they're both narrow, it's just Phil manages to make it a decent pose by having a decent lower body, not to mention his back is more conditioned. He also knows how to hide his lack of width a lot better.



Looks pretty good imo, as opposed to Flex

[RoroCwalker]

Structurally they're both narrow, it's just Phil manages to make it a decent pose by having a decent lower body, not to mention his back is more conditioned. He also knows how to hide his lack of width a lot better.

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Looks pretty good imo, as opposed to Flex

Of course Phil's is better, I'm just saying that the RLS comparison is not different from the BDB comparison, they both have a similar amount of detail, structure and shape, the only thing that really differentiates them is conditioning.

Width isn't a problem for Phil nor Flex, when standing alone, in the RLS

[Big Slim DaDDy]

, they both have a similar amount of detail, structure and shape, the only thing that really differentiates them is conditioning.

They both look very different in both of those poses.

[RoroCwalker]

They both look very different in both of those poses.

Of course they both look very different, I'm not saying they look the same.

I'm saying they both offer those said similarities.

[flangmasterj]

Why aren't you posting pics Roro?

[RoroCwalker]

Why aren't you posting pics Roro?

I did.

[TropicalSunset]

I feel like Phil would take the RLS, but BDB to me goes to Flex. And while most might consider flex at his best around 93, I think he managed to look slightly less balanced, but way bigger in 98 and 99.

Looking at those pics though, Phil is killing him in the leg development...from the back. I still feel like Flex's back was better in the back poses.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

And while most might consider flex at his best around 93, I think he managed to look slightly less balanced, but way bigger in 98 and 99

That added oil contributed to added size and loss of balance.

[RockyTheKid]

Because a 2013 Phil would still poop on Flex.

Sure, but since most people view his 2011 version as his best yet, I would've expected him to go with it, not 2013.

But whatever. Phil surpassed Flex a long time ago.

[lostsk8]

If you put them on the same stage Phil would be much bigger than Flex.

[spamy]

Conditioning and muscle belly roundness "of peace"! Flex was never as consistent with his conditioning. Phil has 3 Sandows to show for his efforts with PERFECT SCORES.

To be fair Phil never had to fight off car jacking ninjas whilst Flex was a master at this.

The number of Sandows aren't that important here because Flex competed against Dorian and Ronnie, and Phil didn't. Dorian or Ronnie today Phil would win today, with Phil taking second place, just like Flex did during his time. The number of Sandows are also dictated by the level of competitors because Dorian or Ronnie>Kai, Wolf, Rhoden or Dex.

That being said, prime Phil beats prime Flex while rookie Flex (1993) beats rookie Phil (2006).

[Groggery]

It's been done to death already, this is all that needs to be shown

[ROMMYromboid]

Width aside I would give it to Heath 2011. -------------> 2012 and 2013 are closer. Flex pulled a Dexter on calves which does not help his case.

TEAM ROMGLE.

[Ajthemeso]

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Oh and if were going with pictures from the 90's that look like it was filmed in a basement then I might as well post this one up too:

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Also can't forget this magnificence



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[DomzyCuttin]

What is wrong with everyone. Flex takes it easily in my mind. He just has WAY BETTER balance and flow. His arms don't overpower his body.

And Flex having no back...are you serious now? Flex at his best wins again the best version of Phil (2011).

Phil, 100%, no discussion. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no clue what judges want. Flex has a narrow back and soft hams and glutes. Phil easily beats Kai and Kai would easily beat Flex. One physique beats Phil and that's Coleman from a handful of contests, arguably Jay from 2-3 contests as well. The thread isn't about who noobs THINK looks better, but who would judges score as the winner...

[littlemike23]

Phil hands down. Early 90s flex looked great but would get edged out in all around thickness/size. Later flex would get beat too. Few shows he should have been disqualified. He had a lot of nerve bitching about losing to Ronnie in 98 99 with those oiled ass awkward arms he sported. Seriously the most overrated bodybuilder ever. Shawn ray Cormier and Kevin all had better physiques than him.

[BillyBil]

Phil Heath by faaaaaaaar.
Best Flex vs any Phil from 2010 to now on..
Phil never messed up his conditioning not even ONCE, with flex its a whole other story..

[Unbiasedfan]

Phil never messed up his conditioning not even ONCE

Except, well, once. I reckon it doesn't count though.

[DeltsBrah96]

Flex Wheeler's prime was in 1993, just sayin'

[miscing4life]

Flex Wheeler's prime was in 1993, just sayin'

just saying it doesn't really matter. Even if his conditioning is somewhat close, he gets mauled in overall size.

[RockyTheKid]

Except, well, once. I reckon it doesn't count though.

And it was due to food poisoning, I believe. Still finished 5th lol.

[buzzbot]

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean they are crazy. It might just mean they have different criteria.

Why does your own criteria matter when there's a set criteria?

[AnarkyLost]

Hhehehe. Because I think that the guy who almost beat Ronnie would beat Phil.....To each his own.

He didn't almost beat Ronnie though. To go from 9th place to beating the odds on favorite and winning the Olympia title the following year means you absolutely dominated the guy in 2nd place.

[Iceman1981]

1993 Flex loses to Phil due to being too small and slightly less conditioned.

1998/1999 Flex loses to Phil due to being too oiled up and severely out conditioned.

Either way Phil wins imo.

[Che12]

[Kiwi_]

1993 Flex loses to Phil due to being too small and slightly less conditioned.

1998/1999 Flex loses to Phil due to being too oiled up and severely out conditioned.

Either way Phil wins imo.

No consideration to the years in between?

[miscing4life]

No consideration to the years in between?

not sure they would matter too much. Between 93-98 his condition was fairly average with few exceptions and while he was bigger than 93, it wasn't close to enough.