C4 and Hemavol Stack.............. Nothing.

[DasBiceps]

Thanks guys for the tips. I decided there's no time like the present so this mornings workout was done without any PWO. It was tough, but not near as tough as making it through the day with zero caffeine. I was so sluggish. I never knew how dependent on stimulants I had become. Based on your recc's, I'm planning on taking 3-4 weeks off.

Do not completely drop caffeine. You must taper yourself off of it

[Brokerb22]

I don't see any reason not to have carbs with your dinner at 7. Or later.

Now that's funny. You're right. I really liked how this article discussed the topic. I guess I've just always done it this way and since I've had good results so far why change it. But I guess I need to reconsider it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/carb...boogeyman.html

[XCriticalBenchX]

why do you cut carbs at 3 pm? You dont get fat if you eat a potato at 3:01 you know this right?
You would be better having a larger carb meal the night before early morning training.

well, 3:01 is okay.. but I mean 3:02.. and your fuked!

[The Solution]

Now that's funny. You're right. I really liked how this article discussed the topic. I guess I've just always done it this way and since I've had good results so far why change it. But I guess I need to reconsider it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/carb...boogeyman.html

Carb boogyman?

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...gma-dies-hard/
http://fitnfly.com/learn-about-food/nutrition-facts
http://alanaragon.com/bodybuilding-n...ne-norton.html
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html
http://www.leangains.com/2011/06/is-...r-for-fat.html

read these...

[Brokerb22]

Carb boogyman?

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...gma-dies-hard/
http://fitnfly.com/learn-about-food/nutrition-facts
http://alanaragon.com/bodybuilding-n...ne-norton.html
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html
http://www.leangains.com/2011/06/is-...r-for-fat.html

read these...

First thing, I always like to see how a thread evolves once many different people start chiming in. This thread began by discussing the ineffectiveness I was experience with PWO sups and it's lead to a much deeper and beneficial conversation, so thank you all for that.

Secondly these were come fantastic reads. Some a tad long, but I find nutrition and exercise to be very interesting so I enjoyed them very much. I've always tried to stay away from broscience, but it looks like a tiny portion of it has crept its way into my program. Not only that but I love some of the other myths these articles blast.

Thanks.

[Brokerb22]

well, 3:01 is okay.. but I mean 3:02.. and your fuked!

I hate to use cheesy text acronyms, but damn this was funny. lmao.

[The Solution]

First thing, I always like to see how a thread evolves once many different people start chiming in. This thread began by discussing the ineffectiveness I was experience with PWO sups and it's lead to a much deeper and beneficial conversation, so thank you all for that.

Secondly these were come fantastic reads. Some a tad long, but I find nutrition and exercise to be very interesting so I enjoyed them very much. I've always tried to stay away from broscience, but it looks like a tiny portion of it has crept its way into my program. Not only that but I love some of the other myths these articles blast.

Thanks.

you got a lot to learn.!!!!

[schneppy07]

Hey everybody, I read a lot of posts regarding the best stack to use with Hemavol and there were quite a few people that said C4 goes really well with it. The first day I did a 1:1 ratio and felt nothing. Then this morning I did a 2:2 ratio (2 scoops of each). I kept waiting for the pumps and energy to kick in but it never happened. The only thing I did feel was a little more focus. What's the deal? Does anyone have any suggestions for another PWO to use with Hemavol if C4 doesn't work? Thanks.

I would suggest a stim break. Possibly 3-4 weeks off caffeine would help

[Big_Spaz]

I would suggest a stim break. Possibly 3-4 weeks off caffeine would help

I would as well. Use just the Hemavol pre-workout (for the pumps) but don't use any stim products. Do that for a few weeks (3-4) and then jump back on to stims and they should hit you like a freight train





-Spaz

[jcranston]

That's what I thought too. The way I took it was I put two scoops of Hemavol and two scoops of C4 into a shaker bottle with 20 oz of water. Should I be taking Hemavol alone with the 20 oz of water?

I found that 20oz of water per scoop of hemavol produces the best results for me personally. I also start dosing 1hr pre, works better than 30 min for me.

[Brokerb22]

I would as well. Use just the Hemavol pre-workout (for the pumps) but don't use any stim products. Do that for a few weeks (3-4) and then jump back on to stims and they should hit you like a freight train

-Spaz

Good tip. I'm now a week off of stims and my workouts are tough. But I've actually implemented a few of the suggestions from various bb members on this thread regarding diet in the evening and it definitely helps. I didn't shy away from carbs last night and my workout this morning was decent. I'm definitely gonna try just Hemavol tomorrow morning and see what happens.

[Brokerb22]

you got a lot to learn.!!!!

I'm a humble person and recognize that I have a lot to learn. Everyday I make sure that I read something that intensifies my knowledge about both nutrition and training. I think this is a big reason why I've lost 40lbs so far. I'm always learning.

[XCriticalBenchX]

I found that 20oz of water per scoop of hemavol produces the best results for me personally. I also start dosing 1hr pre, works better than 30 min for me.

45 minutes is my sweet spot

[thedarce]

personally id switch out c4 with maxout add hemavol.


lol but in all serious, nitrates + hemavol should do the trick for practically everyone. maybe add a cap of E or 1,3 to c4 to get the energy up [ps stim break? lololol]

[XCriticalBenchX]

personally id switch out c4 with maxout add hemavol.


lol but in all serious, nitrates + hemavol should do the trick for practically everyone. maybe add a cap of E or 1,3 to c4 to get the energy up [ps stim break? lololol]

I'd vote for stim break before adding E! lol

[thedarce]

I'd vote for stim break before adding E! lol

yeah you would,