The war against testosterone

[supremebro]

the governent wants us to focus on the war against testesterone to forget about 9/11, but it aint foolin me

[TXBuddy]

You sure it's not just a correlation with obesity?

This.

[hayastan]

inn

[supremebro]

interesting thread on the misc a couple of months ago regarding the difference between distilled, reverse osmosis, tap, and filtered water and how the estrogen it each of them affects us



http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=159045141

[digistp]

Not taking sides here; presenting discussion material:

Relevance, Part 1:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...+hormones+meat

In beef, the implanted animals will produce meat that contains slightly more of the hormone estrogen (1.9 versus 1.3 nanograms per 3 ounce serving - which is about the size of a deck of cards). Is that extra estrogen going to cause problems? Consider the facts. When hormones are eaten, they are digested, broken down and largely neutralized, so they don’t act as hormones anymore. Even if they did, the 1.9 nanograms of estrogen in implanted beef seems miniscule when we consider that a child’s body produces around 50,000 nanograms of estrogen per day. An adult female (non-pregnant) will produce 480,000 nanograms of estrogen per day on its own.

The 1.9 nanograms of estrogen in implanted beef is also miniscule compared to 225 nanograms of estrogen in potatoes, 340 nanograms of estrogen in peas, 520 nanograms of estrogen in ice cream, 2,000 nanograms of estrogen in cabbage, 11,250 nanograms of estrogen in soy milk, and 170,000 nanograms of estrogen in soybean oil… all based on a 3 ounce serving size. One birth control pill contains 35,000 nanograms of estrogen

http://go.unl.edu/uhg4
http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2767.pdf




Edit:

Relevance, Part 2:

(too much stuff to requote, just click link)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1237455983

[alexsmhs]

Does garlic, cayenne pepper and ginger exist in capsules or pills?

will rep

Fresh garlic is better, garlic pills most likely don't have the beneficial compound Allicin which forms after you crush/mince fresh garlic, you want to chop up fresh garlic and let it sit out for at least 10 minutes.

Careful eating too much. I chopped up 2 cloves then i had the worst nausea and yuked everywhere half hour later, it's potent chit

[BurningWolf]

Fresh garlic is better, garlic pills most likely don't have the beneficial compound Allicin which forms after you crush/mince fresh garlic, you want to chop up fresh garlic and let it sit out for at least 10 minutes.

Careful eating too much. I chopped up 2 cloves then i had the worst nausea and yuked everywhere half hour later, it's potent chit

This, and everyone has personal tolerance, I can eat 2 cloves and be fine, but too much garlic can destroy test aswell. Most of the clove family(which garlic is in) can boost test in smaller amounts, but in larger amounts its estrogenic.

Anything in the ginger family seems to boost test and be thermogenic as far as I've looked into it, and it tastes good aswell imo, not sure why people need pills, especially since you don't really digest pills the same.

[Lakersbake]

Avoid sweets and sugar drinks. Read the following quote:



Also, avoid gluten (wheat, malt), in beer, vodka, whisky, etc.

I thought to build muscle we want a sugar spike after workout with our proton?

[sudokus]

170,000

Knew soy was a bad deal but holy fuk

[MassOmicron]

Ever wonder why there's an estrogen mimmicker in everything? shampoos, deodorants, washing powder, plastics, household cleaners the list goes on and on. What better way to attack peoples hormones than by putting endocrine disrupters in everything they ****ing use.

Do you think it's coincidence that our testosterone steadily declines every year? We're a shadow of our ancestors just look at how many males have low test, erectile dysfunction, high pitched voices and tiny wrists.

Time to wake up and get all that filth removed (srs) I've been aware and avoiding all of their gender bender poisons and detoxing regularly for years which is why my test is 1275 ng/dl which is considered astronomical for a modern male but 50 years ago it would've been the low average

Something needs to be done about this ****, NOW.


Fun fact: beer made out of hops (90%) is disgustingly estrogenic, this is why its marketed as a mans drink

most of those so called estrogen mimickers either dont do chit or dont get absorbed into the body

50 years ago they prob had terrible accuracy for testing test and i doubt its actually dropped in the same age brackets to HALF, hear that myth all the time and never proof

[Sinan09400]

Op how the **** can we avoid these craps?

Praise be the great Testosterone, the unassailable Might


My free T was 12.01 pg/ml last year

[holysht]

Not taking sides here; presenting discussion material:

Relevance, Part 1:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...+hormones+meat


http://go.unl.edu/uhg4
http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2767.pdf




Edit:

Relevance, Part 2:

(too much stuff to requote, just click link)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1237455983

Always wondered about this... Are they blowing these estrogens out of proportion, I mean the ones that act as estrogens in plastics etc, are they really enough to actually be of ANY clinical significance?

[BurningWolf]

I thought to build muscle we want a sugar spike after workout with our proton?

Yeah but there is the point of diminishing returns, like most things.

Always wondered about this... Are they blowing these estrogens out of proportion, I mean the ones that act as estrogens in plastics etc, are they really enough to actually be of ANY clinical significance?

Might be significant if you use them every day, even then our bodies don't really even absorb half of it. I sometimes think people are trying to blame other things than themselves, for example carring extra fat is estrogenic, also exercise raises test and is not as common in daily life as it used to be, which can be 2 big factors in my opinion along with other things.

[Lakersbake]

Luckily the estrogen doesn't change anything, it's for the same reason GH-increasing food won't give you any actual GH-like effect and why natural diuretics won't ever make you dry - because it's natural. The amount of hormones in food is absolutely nothing, it's not even close to enough to even give you a slight change in your body.

If OP had a point the average girl would have DDs with a 24 inch waist since huge amount of estrogen would make 95% of fat go right into the curves, but they don't. Likewise, if men from the past had higher test how come all the pre-celltech era nattys (20s and before) looked worse than some guys from the misc that claim natty. Keep in mind those guys counted as the genetic elite of their generation. Damien Sandow and George Hackenschmidt vs Gzus, lmao just lmao, and they were manlets too so you can say humans today have so much higher test that they can fill out bigger bodies. Babyslayer deadlifted and squatted more than any natty before teched era when he was a 17-year old natty himself, it's not even close, humans today are leagues apart from those oldtimers when it comes to Test.

Test = 95% genetics, nobody cares what you eat, it won't change a thing about hormone levels, you think Strongmen give a phuck if there is gluten in their steaks? I drank beer one day before going to my doctor and only had 2 hours sleep to get my test checked and it was still 538ng/dl (keep in mind I'm in the bad genetics crew so there's no way my actual test is any higher) which proves that beer makes far too tiny impacts on testosterone levels to be noticed, maybe it changes test by 2-3 ng/dl which is unnoticeable.

All reports you see are just pseudo-scientific propaganda backed up by political agendas and using scientific words to make their useless studies seem more legit, and most people are dumb and easily impressionable so no wonder misc believes in those. In reality, unless you care for a change of 2-3 ng/dl or less you can just keep on drinking beer and eating any meat and drinking any water you want as long as you hit good macros and cals. You will neither exceed your genetic limit by eating "anti-estrogenic foods" nor are you going to be under your genetic potential with highly-estrogenic food.

Genetics are unlocked/affected by food and environment. Google epigenetics

[jazi]

500 total test crew

aw fuk

[TooAnabolic]

Legit studies have shown that zinc and vitamin D3 can increase test levels if you aren't getting enough from your diet.

Foods that contain indole-3-carbinol (DIM) act as an aromatase inhibitor (AI), which prevents the conversion of free testosterone into estrogen. In one study, a diet of high DIM lowered estrogen levels by 50%. These foods include spinach, cauliflower, broccoli, and brussels sprouts. I make a smoothy every day with these foods for that very reason. I've never been more shredded than when I was drinking this smoothy for 6 months+.

[Tomohawk92]

lol

see sig

[digistp]

Legit studies have shown that zinc and vitamin D3 can increase test levels if you aren't getting enough from your diet.

Foods that contain indole-3-carbinol (DIM) act as an aromatase inhibitor (AI), which prevents the conversion of free testosterone into estrogen. In one study, a diet of high DIM lowered estrogen levels by 50%. These foods include spinach, cauliflower, broccoli, and brussels sprouts. I make a smoothy every day with these foods for that very reason. I've never been more shredded than when I was drinking this smoothy for 6 months+.

could also just take this, it's what I do -> http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/olabs/dim.html


here are my readings from 3 months ago, before DIM. I'll be getting another in 3 more to see if any improvements occurred. I guess I'll have to request the rest of the readings (total, estradiol, etc) next time around since they never mentioned not testing for anything but Free the first time, even though I specified a full panel.

[AniMaLizTik]

dam bro...you gotta "F" on your test TEST!

[digistp]

dam bro...you gotta "F" on your test TEST!

nah bro I'm sweet

F is for Freedom

'murica

[Deftones3]

Fresh garlic is better, garlic pills most likely don't have the beneficial compound Allicin which forms after you crush/mince fresh garlic, you want to chop up fresh garlic and let it sit out for at least 10 minutes.

Careful eating too much. I chopped up 2 cloves then i had the worst nausea and yuked everywhere half hour later, it's potent chit

Question bro. You just eat that **** with a spoon, or what?

[AniMaLizTik]

170,000 nanograms of estrogen in soybean oil… all based on a 3 ounce serving size. One birth control pill contains 35,000 nanograms of estrogen.


brb never eating oil

[Pomf]

In on trufacts thread.

Don't know if these have been posted yet.

The disapearing male movie, screened in the Whitehouse once: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-disappearing-male/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...terone-levels/



Brb at 297 ng/dL I have the test levels of a 90 year old.
Brb doctors still don't consider it an issue.
Brb avg testosterone levels declining 20% every decade.
Brb 6 inch wrists.
Brb fukked from birth.

This is what makes me laugh at everyone who tries so desperately to raise their test "naturally". Everything from cold showers to meticulous diets to abstaining from masturbation, as long as they can claim natty; IT DOESN'T WORK, NONE OF OUR TEST LEVELS ARE NATURAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I can't say if it's intentional though, I think it's just an unseen side effect of our ubiquitous plastics - technology is a double edged sword. I truly believe that our plummeting testosterone levels are what is allowing radical Feminism to grow so big though. Ain't no way our ancestors would tolerate this #endfathersday bullshit.

[TXBuddy]

Don't forget about the social influences that can affect our biology.

Metro-men
Feminazis
Sitcoms (all the males are dumb, females rule the house)
Commercials ^^ same way
No more manly hobbies
No competition anymore
online tough guys, IRL betas
sensitivity training
Low fat diets
Low carb diets
Phukin Vegans

[der29]

[shegotmass]

Eat broccoli , cold showers, sprints.

[AniMaLizTik]

In on trufacts thread.

Don't know if these have been posted yet.

The disapearing male movie, screened in the Whitehouse once: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-disappearing-male/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...terone-levels/



Brb at 297 ng/dL I have the test levels of a 90 year old.
Brb doctors still don't consider it an issue.
Brb avg testosterone levels declining 20% every decade.
Brb 6 inch wrists.
Brb fukked from birth.

This is what makes me laugh at everyone who tries so desperately to raise their test "naturally". Everything from cold showers to meticulous diets to abstaining from masturbation, as long as they can claim natty; IT DOESN'T WORK, NONE OF OUR TEST LEVELS ARE NATURAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I can't say if it's intentional though, I think it's just an unseen side effect of our ubiquitous plastics - technology is a double edged sword. I truly believe that our plummeting testosterone levels are what is allowing radical Feminism to grow so big though. Ain't no way our ancestors would tolerate this #endfathersday bullshit.

good post. Id like to see a study with daily manual laborers -vs- desk jockies....assuming all other areas of lifestyle were similar. Testosterone is like anything else in our bodies; dont use USE it and we LOSE it.

Use our strength, explosiveness, speed etc and all should be well if the outside sources are eliminated

[Theoneforme]

How do I drink my coffee without using a straw or fckng up my teeth? are there BPA free straws?

[Holmbrah]

18 years old and have 220 ng/dl test

[MassOmicron]

How do I drink my coffee without using a straw or fckng up my teeth? are there BPA free straws?

sip water between coffees