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    Originally Posted by tara19 View Post
    OP drop your calories.
    You were probably tracking your intake chitty on your bulk.
    Chitty?
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    Originally Posted by dbrock504 View Post
    I have done enough research to think they are essential. I just did mine today. I do it once a week on Sunday. I will warn you though, stick to the clean carbs. I tried to eat a pizza once, bad idea. Because I wasn't used to the grease and fatty pepperoni and all that, I threw it all up. 2nd week of refeed I ate lots of black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes, corn, etc. That felt a lot better.


    ...what?
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    Originally Posted by Josh7000 View Post
    How many calories did you refeed by in comparison to your cutting calories?
    Just a couple hundred over the maintenance number. So for me, 2800. Cutting I intake 2100 max and usually I'm around 1900-2000 with 131g carbs 210g protein. I got in 250g carbs while only did 160g protein today. I gave myself a break from so much protein intake.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    You mentioned you don't know what supplements he takes... why would that matter?
    I was making the point that I don't know him at all. I don't know his intake or his metabolism. He keeps wanting me to give him "the answer" to why he is bulking slow on a certain amount of calories when I have no clue what he's doing... haha.
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    Originally Posted by dbrock504 View Post
    Just a couple hundred over the maintenance number. So for me, 2800. Cutting I intake 2100 max and usually I'm around 1900-2000 with 131g carbs 210g protein. I got in 250g carbs while only did 160g protein today. I gave myself a break from so much protein intake.
    Has refeeding helped for you during your cut? like have you tried with and without doing it?
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    Originally Posted by dbrock504 View Post
    I was making the point that I don't know him at all. I don't know his intake or his metabolism. He keeps wanting me to give him "the answer" to why he is bulking slow on a certain amount of calories when I have no clue what he's doing... haha.
    I wasn't asking you why I was bulking slow I was asking you why do you think my bulking and cutting amounts were such drastically different, I didn't know if it was a common thing due to me cutting wrongly or something
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    Originally Posted by Josh7000 View Post
    Has refeeding helped for you during your cut? like have you tried with and without doing it?
    Tbh, it's too early to tell really. I am in my 3rd week of this 12 week cut. I am already 6 lbs down, jeans feeling a little looser and shirts not touching my stubborn lower belly fat that I've always had. I also feel like I've gained a little definition in my arms. Tbh, I'm not interested in loosing weight. I'm interested in leaning up. Gaining definition and looking cleaner. So ya, I guess is workin' out for me... No I have not tried not refeeding, but I'm not completely sure it 100% necessary for people who aren't super lean like myself. Most of the time, refeeding is for people who are already lean looking get leaner for a show. The reason why is because their hormone (leptin) levels become low and it makes it difficult to loose that extra bf%. Ingesting those 50% more carbs while keeping the other macros the same give the metabolism a kick. What ever I am doing is working, so I've been stickin' to it. Once I plateau out or I get to my goal, then I will change things.

    Like I told you before, experiment with it. I realize that if you try changing one thing ever 2 weeks you will be on a year long cut like you said earlier, but everyone is different. Everyone reacts to different things differently. Consequently, what works for me may not work for you.
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    Losing weight slowly? Drop calories. It is that simple, no need to refeed, carb cycle or what not.
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    Originally Posted by dbrock504 View Post
    I was making the point that I don't know him at all. I don't know his intake or his metabolism. He keeps wanting me to give him "the answer" to why he is bulking slow on a certain amount of calories when I have no clue what he's doing... haha.
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    Originally Posted by dbrock504 View Post
    Tbh, it's too early to tell really. I am in my 3rd week of this 12 week cut. I am already 6 lbs down, jeans feeling a little looser and shirts not touching my stubborn lower belly fat that I've always had. I also feel like I've gained a little definition in my arms. Tbh, I'm not interested in loosing weight. I'm interested in leaning up. Gaining definition and looking cleaner. So ya, I guess is workin' out for me... No I have not tried not refeeding, but I'm not completely sure it 100% necessary for people who aren't super lean like myself. Most of the time, refeeding is for people who are already lean looking get leaner for a show. The reason why is because their hormone (leptin) levels become low and it makes it difficult to loose that extra bf%. Ingesting those 50% more carbs while keeping the other macros the same give the metabolism a kick. What ever I am doing is working, so I've been stickin' to it. Once I plateau out or I get to my goal, then I will change things.

    Like I told you before, experiment with it. I realize that if you try changing one thing ever 2 weeks you will be on a year long cut like you said earlier, but everyone is different. Everyone reacts to different things differently. Consequently, what works for me may not work for you.
    2500 calories seems to be the sweetspot at this moment in time, although I may have to decrease it, I'm 2-3kg down from where I started and looking abit more defined and my strength has remained somewhat consistent
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    A quick cut is an oxymoron. You have to be relatively lean to start and increase your activity level by quite a bit to cut quickly. That also comes at the price of muscle loss. Personally I'd do both slowly, cut and bulk. Be honest with it, track your intake and you'll see results.
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    Originally Posted by nuroppo View Post
    A quick cut is an oxymoron. You have to be relatively lean to start and increase your activity level by quite a bit to cut quickly. That also comes at the price of muscle loss. Personally I'd do both slowly, cut and bulk. Be honest with it, track your intake and you'll see results.
    Oxymoron? unfamilliar with that, what does it meen?
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    Originally Posted by Josh7000 View Post
    Oxymoron? unfamilliar with that, what does it meen?
    Do you know what Google is? Or a dictionary?
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    Originally Posted by Josh7000 View Post
    2500 calories seems to be the sweetspot at this moment in time, although I may have to decrease it, I'm 2-3kg down from where I started and looking abit more defined and my strength has remained somewhat consistent

    How did you figure that out already? You only posted yesterday that 2600 was barely getting it done, now today you know 2500 is the sweet spot?

    You have now need to be doing refeeds. It sounds like you just started cutting, so they would do nothing more than slow down your already slow progress. A simple calorie deficit and hitting your macros is all you need.
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    Originally Posted by Mdenatale View Post
    How did you figure that out already? You only posted yesterday that 2600 was barely getting it done, now today you know 2500 is the sweet spot?

    You have now need to be doing refeeds. It sounds like you just started cutting, so they would do nothing more than slow down your already slow progress. A simple calorie deficit and hitting your macros is all you need.
    Ya no kidding. And to re answer your question. You don't need to do refeeds and neither do I apparently. Yesterday has made me feel sick, bloated and guilty. Not doing it again.
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    Originally Posted by kobebryant824 View Post
    Lots of text about NEAT
    I would tend to agree with you, but I also think that tara19 may be right: he could have just sucked at tracking intake during his bulk.
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    Originally Posted by Mdenatale View Post
    How did you figure that out already? You only posted yesterday that 2600 was barely getting it done, now today you know 2500 is the sweet spot?

    You have now need to be doing refeeds. It sounds like you just started cutting, so they would do nothing more than slow down your already slow progress. A simple calorie deficit and hitting your macros is all you need.
    I said seems to be, but it could all change in an instant, and I was at 2600 for abit and not much happend. My body his pretty strange so I expect it. Not only with cutting but just about in every way you can think of
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    Originally Posted by STC1188 View Post
    I would tend to agree with you, but I also think that tara19 may be right: he could have just sucked at tracking intake during his bulk.
    Nope my tracking was pretty damn close because, I've been on an elimination diet so you're stuck with specific foods that are organic and clean and contain nothing hidden so it's impossible on this too lose track due to everything being so pure, I'd say before I was doing that my tracking would have been abit sketchy but that was months ago
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    Originally Posted by tara19 View Post
    OP drop your calories.
    You were probably tracking your intake chitty on your bulk.
    ^^^
    I was going to write this. How precise are you or were you in your measurments?
    Loosing 1lb per week sounds like a decent cut to me, why do you want to cut so fast?
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