*Iraq and Syria are being taken over by major terrorist group.* This is BAD.*

[VTheKing]

Who gives a fuk. Let them have their state. Then when they realize they are incapable of running it or providing the population with what it needs, they'll come back to reality and play ball with the rest of the world. That's pretty much what happened with the Brotherhood in Egypt.

Except Egypt has a counter-balance force in the form of their military, and they simply don't have the sectarian divisions Iraq has. Iraq can very well disintegrate as a state, which quite frankly isn't that bad in itself. It never made sense as a country, which is why it took decades of bloody oppression by dictators just to keep it stable. Make no mistake, it wasn't supposed to go any other way since Iraqi borders were drawn up way back in the 20's. American plans to make Iraq a "stable democracy" in less than a decade was either supreme arrogance, or simply a ploy to satisfy their Islamofascist buddies in the Arabian Peninsula.

[palsup]

US were supporting terrorists in every Arab spring that took place. US and UK supportig terrorists in Syria. US supporting to neo-nazis in Ukraine. Wouldn't be surprised if it's happening now.

What "terrorists" have the USA officially supported?

[oe7Leo]

wait, i thought america freed the shyt outta the iraqis and brought them democracy

are u telling me destabilizing the country resulted in a militant terrorist group swooping in and taking over minor cities?

no military intelligence could've seen that one coming

[Koval661]

Btw, I called this in an essay in my poli sci class about 4 months ago. ISIS was just than taking over Fallujah and it was basically evident they would take over Iraq.

[YesPls]

This is crazy

In

[pandamonk]

Is there any further info on what they exactly plan on doing?

Just running Iraq & Syria?

Expanding?

Going after Israel?

[nodnarb481]

can we just turn the place into a shopping mall?

[MiscKage]

I has solution 2 dis problem. Go back in history and hook dese 2 kents square in da gabber m8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E...icot_Agreement

Srs tho. They drew the borders for these nation states in the middle east, fukcing up an Ottoman system of governance that ensured that none of this chit taking place today happened. Den comes along Sykes from Britain and Picot from France after WW1...

[Molec]

You know ISIS means business when even Al Qaeda distances itself from it because of its 'ruthless ways' (srs)

[Groce]

It's crazy how fast Isis have spread through Iraq, last I heard is Iran are preparing to go and **** them up big time.

Anyone seen that Isis video that was posted in the R/P thread, shocking

is that the video where they are doing all those drive by shootings? was phucked up

[OnDatPhaggyTyme]

Osama has probably over a million sympathisers and I saw a YouTube video where the Saudi King was told Osama offered to bring an army of over 100,000 to protect the Kingdom from Saddam Hussein but they obviously rejected because they were scared of his influence and brought USA inside instead.

And you actually believe what you type, so sad...

[icemancl1]

time to drop some freedom ont he middle east
hiroshima part 2

This, reps.

[palsup]

Is there any further info on what they exactly plan on doing?

Just running Iraq & Syria?

Expanding?

Going after Israel?

Probably attack Israel and Palestine because Hamas are too liberal and Fatah are nationalist traitors.

[KCBadBoy]

Ohhhhh fighting in the middle east? That's new.........

[Valeurvaleur]

Was Osama not one of the main commanders against the Soviets? And they had 100,000s of fighters. And he had fighters against Russia in Chechnya and Bosnia. I think Osama wasn't too bothered about Sharia law being forced over people like ISIS are, he was against American bases in the gulf.

I'm just making assumptions, so idk.

Sure, but as the head of Al-qaeda as an anti-western organization, he never had this amount of well-trained and active followers, at least not before 9/11. Besides, Baghdadi is described as even more zealous and aggressive than both current and deceased al-qaeda leaders.

That's what I mean. When Morsi came into power, he was forced to make nice with both Israel and the IMF and World Bank, even though Israel and interest-based finance are two things "Islamists" hate. Then when people realized the Brotherhood wasn't really doing much to improve the country, elSisi had at least a little bit of a mandate to come back and seize power (even though the remnants of the Mubarak power structure was itself responsible for impeding Morsi's plans). The point I'm trying to make is, it's easy for radical groups to seize power. But when it comes to the realities of actually governing, they more often than not are (eventually) forced to make concessions.

Mubarak was never an extremist, he was an U.S. puppet from the get-go. Muslim brotherhood didn't even get to make any concessions, before the military plugged them out. Besides, Egypt is way more westernized and resistant to extremism than especially Syria. Also, the Sunni vs Shia thing is not big in Egypt, where nearly all muslims are Sunni. But, I'll concede that you're partly right - but it usually ends in civil war either way, because of the religious tensions between Sunni and Shia muslims, rather than actual concessions.

I agree, but how did we end up at this point? Why would this be the case?

War breeds hatred. U.S. intervention has created more hatred towards the west than ever before. Collateral damage creates alot of anger. (e.g. dead civilians) Which is exactly as the real extremists want it. Actual al-qaeda strategy:

1. Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
2. Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
3. Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4. Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5. The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries.

Source: http://books.google.dk/books?id=ypIC...202020&f=false

Which is why it's important to strike ISIS fast and hard, before they actually take over Baghdad, after which taking them down will involve alot more civilian casualties, in a country that already has plenty of anger for the U.S. and the West.

[Molec]

And you actually believe what you type, so sad...

Its true

[OhioStateBucki]

Let's just invade, introduce them to democracy, train their military to handle things and then go home.
























Oh wait....

[v7znay]

The Jews also did this?

[oe7Leo]

What "terrorists" have the USA officially supported?

lol, just lol

Iran-Contra

and...well, i can't be bothered to list them all

here, educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_...change_actions

[Chasthetics]

wait, i thought america freed the shyt outta the iraqis and brought them democracy

are u telling me destabilizing the country resulted in a militant terrorist group swooping in and taking over minor cities?

no military intelligence could've seen that one coming

This lmao. How about we fuk off and work on fixing ourselves for once.

[Molec]

Probably attack Israel and Palestine because Hamas are too liberal and Fatah are nationalist traitors.

Their plan is to extort shia and christians lol...das it

[AaronRothschild]

#BREAKING #ISIS releases 2500 captured #Iraq soldiers, and executes 1700 others.
*****://twitter.com/ObjectivityNews/status/477212146406002689


as I have said if they enter Baghdad it will be a slaughter house

[anonymous]

This is why we needed to bomb Syria, to prevent these guys from taking power


oh, wait, no these are the Good Guys fighting Bad Assad right?

[WolfishGrin]

Ohhhhh fighting in the middle east? That's new.........

this.

Can we stop playing world police for once and worry about our own chit back home...

[TheMachina]

this all goes back a bit further than most of us can remember. Churchill and a few other fellows drew the borders to what we currently know as the middle east. Those borders were put there with little consideration to the ethnic groups living in the areas. Some would argue that the borders were drawn up to cause a constant conflict in the region.

[Astyanax]

Which is why it's important to strike ISIS fast and hard, before they actually take over Baghdad, after which taking them down will involve alot more civilian casualties, in a country that already has plenty of anger for the U.S. and the West.

I would rather sit back and see how Israel, Iran, Jordan, Turkey and the Saudis handle the situation.

[MiscKage]

And you actually believe what you type, so sad...

What she said is true. Here's a documentary by PBS showing interviews by Saudi royal family members talking about Osama approaching them to provide protection against Saddam in the 1990s, only to be declined in favour of the USA.

(watch from 1:17:00 onwards)

[palsup]

lol, just lol

Iran-Contra

and...well, i can't be bothered to list them all

here, educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_...change_actions

I meant in the Arab spring.

[anonymous]

British Government have already declared they will not send any troops to assist.

[NotANun21]

Sick of the middle east. Time to drop into the center of the earth.

This (srs)

Just carpet bomb the whole fcking thing, I'm sick of hearing about it