Not training shoulders

[Anthony21]

I dunno, I think if you bring the bar down to your upper chest/clavicle area it is meant to recruit some chest, I saw it strength training anatomy, I think Jason Blaha also says that it recruits your chest some

Not enough to develop it.

[Jordan336]

push press can mean almost anything. u can use a tiny bit of leg drive or even just "looseness" to help get the weight moving but still use 90% delt strength, or u can use a lot of dynamic leg drive to basically throw the weight all the way to lockout

My idea of a push press is the latter

[Jordan336]

Not enough to develop it.

Not a clue

[John Prophet]

to me this is about 50/50 push press. He is using the legs to get it started but u can see that he is still doing a lot of pressing. He isnt trying to throw it all the way to lockout

[Jordan336]

to me this is about 50/50 push press. He is using the legs to get it started but u can see that he is still doing a lot of pressing. He isnt trying to throw it all the way to lockout

Yee, Mike is crazy strong. Would love to know how he competes in the 275 weight class at 6ft or something and isn't even fat lol

[StayxCold]

Just train your Overhead press, if you get no carryover to benching, atleast you'll get some badass shoulder development.
Plus, its fun as hell to push weight over your head.

[doctor220]

At worst, your shoulders and upper back grow in size, and thus your ROM is shorter and bench goes up directly as a result. I see no reason not to.

[davisj3537]

yeah but u might be a classic "delt bencher" who gets a huge front delt just from benching. We have all seen the sort of classic "powerlifter" look where there is a huge front delt, no side delt and sometimes not much of a bicep

Im the dead opposite, I can bench all day and my chest would just outgrow my delts and eventually it would probably lead to injury

You saying I got weak bis bro? lol

I think form probably has a big role to play. Given people are tucking their shoulders back correctly most people should be getting similar growth.

[IronOynx]

Yes. I did almost no direct shoulder work then vast majority of my llifting journey and i have big delts.

[Mike.Moore]

For those who feel like it helps increase their lifts, how often do you manage to add weight to your shoulder presses?

I wouldn't worry about how often it takes to add weight. As I have said before, once you learn proper form, weight will come.

I dunno, I think if you bring the bar down to your upper chest/clavicle area it is meant to recruit some chest, I saw it strength training anatomy, I think Jason Blaha also says that it recruits your chest some

I have always brought the bar to my upper chest doing OHPs, I don't believe in just bringing it to my nose, and I have never felt it worked my chest in any way.

Also, my bench is stronger when I OHP. But I ALWAYS do direct shoulder work regardless, not just OHPs. I may take a week off from training shoulders here and there. But I am old and have been doing this for a very long time, so I need to. I really don't understand people not doing direct shoulder work. If you're a powerlifter, you want everything to be strong.

[Jordan336]

I wouldn't worry about how often it takes to add weight. As I have said before, once you learn proper form, weight will come.




I have always brought the bar to my upper chest doing OHPs, I don't believe in just bringing it to my nose, and I have never felt it worked my chest in any way.

Also, my bench is stronger when I OHP. But I ALWAYS do direct shoulder work regardless, not just OHPs. I may take a week off from training shoulders here and there. But I am old and have been doing this for a very long time, so I need to. I really don't understand people not doing direct shoulder work. If you're a powerlifter, you want everything to be strong.

I think it's because if people do a lot of benching they expect the delts to be taken care of, that was my reasoning at least, I still do think high incline pressing instead of shoulder pressing probably could develop the shoulders decently. I think Lyle Mcdonald gave people the option of shoulder pressing or incline pressing in his generic bulking routine, but still, it would most likely be much more effective to actually ohp which is why I'm going to keep doing it

[Mike.Moore]

I think it's because if people do a lot of benching they expect the delts to be taken care of, that was my reasoning at least, I still do think high incline pressing instead of shoulder pressing probably could develop the shoulders decently. I think Lyle Mcdonald gave people the option of shoulder pressing or incline pressing in his generic bulking routine, but still, it would most likely be much more effective to actually ohp which is why I'm going to keep doing it

Even if that was true, I have 2 issues with that. #1, it would work your front delts more than anything. What about your lateral and rear delts? And benching also works your tris, do you not do any direct tricep work then? #2, Who the **** wants decent development?? If you are working on a bulking routine do you want decent development on anything??? Same if you are working on a strength routine.

I am not sure why I am so concerned with this thread, I must just be bored at work. But, it does amazes me that some guys think you shouldn't do direct shoulder work.

This will sum it up, if you want "decent" to low shoulder development and weaker shoulders, just bench and do no direct shoulder work.

If you want your shoulders to grow and get strong, you do direct work. Simple as that.

[Jordan336]

Even if that was true, I have 2 issues with that. #1, it would work your front delts more than anything. What about your lateral and rear delts? And benching also works your tris, do you not do any direct tricep work then? #2, Who the **** wants decent development?? If you are working on a bulking routine do you want decent development on anything??? Same if you are working on a strength routine.

I am not sure why I am so concerned with this thread, I must just be bored at work. But, it does amazes me that some guys think you shouldn't do direct shoulder work.

This will sum it up, if you want "decent" to low shoulder development and weaker shoulders, just bench and do no direct shoulder work.

If you want your shoulders to grow and get strong, you do direct work. Simple as that.

Oops, I should of been more clear, I just meant no shoulder pressing, not no lateral raises or facepulls.

I agree, it was just something I thought about

[JamesW129]

Not enough to develop it.

I dunno man I went from having no visible upper chest to it being overpowering and veins n chit (from adding OHP as a primary lift and progressing it like the other big lifts)

[cm85]

So I guess the general consensus is that I should start sneaking some OHP in there... Oops.

[ats94]

Brah you should also give the zydrunas press a try, I was doing them for a while and my bench went up once I stoped my bench was weaker. I was also training shoulder with other exercises as well I just think the zydrunas press is a great way to increase static strength in the shoulders and overall pressing strength.