Intelligent bodybuilders I NEED your help!

[Harkonen]

Hi.

I've been arguing with vegans all ****ing day on another forum about why a vegan diet isn't optimum for packing on lean mass.

Can anyone here explain concisely what makes a carnivorous diet so much better for a bodybuilder than one without animal products?

It's not just protein.

thank you so much for any help.

[bjj/gymrat]

Try asking this in the Diet forum, you'll get alot better answers there.

[TheDonMega89]

How bout you stop arguing with them, no one will win. Let them do what they do, you keep doing what you're doing.

[teenage_guru]

i love to argue too, but is is rather pointless...what you can argue is the defieciency in vitamins/minerals that u can't obtain from meat... also, i don't believe that soy/tofu protein is a complete amino acid formula...however i might be wrong...

[Fallen_]

Try asking this in the Diet forum, you'll get alot better answers there.

Repped

[Muscle1.]

There are HUGE vegetarian bodybuilders, you're just ignorant bro.

[BB is 4 life :)]

There are HUGE vegetarian bodybuilders, you're just ignorant bro.

Vegetarian and vegan is two seperate things bud.

[Lager1]

I wish I had the willpower to be a vegan. It really doesn't take THAT much protein to build muscle...it takes tons of calories (which are most easily consumed in carbohydrate form). A vegan diet can easily achieve high levels of protein for bodybuilding from things like hemp seed, beans, nuts, legumes, pea protein powder, other supplements.

[Lager1]

There are HUGE vegetarian bodybuilders, you're just ignorant bro.

A vegan is someone who doesn't eat eggs or milk or ANYTHING derived from animals. A "vegetarian" generally just doesn't eat meat.

[amt87]

Hi.

I've been arguing with vegans all ****ing day on another forum about why a vegan diet isn't optimum for packing on lean mass.

Can anyone here explain concisely what makes a carnivorous diet so much better for a bodybuilder than one without animal products?

It's not just protein.

thank you so much for any help.

Don't argue with the PETA freaks they will just drag you down to their level of blunt force stubborness and idicoy and beat you with experience.

I don't believe Veaganism is a healthy approach to a human diet. Even with percise planning it's beyond the didication of 99.9% of them to fully satisfy their dietary requirments. If their true Vegans, ie absolutly no animal products whatsoever they will need cetain micologicaly derived B vitamins or they will slip into a coma and die....

[itslocke]

I know there's one really massive vegan pro bodybuilder from the 70's i think, but his name evades me right now.

I don't see how eating meat is any better than being vegan. Of course you'll have many more foods to choose from, but a vegan can get all of their macro and micronutrients from fruits, vegetables, and grains.

[That_one Kid]

Don't argue with the PETA freaks they will just drag you down to their level of blunt force stubborness and idicoy and beat you with experience.

I don't believe Veaganism is a healthy approach to a human diet. Even with percise planning it's beyond the didication of 99.9% of them to fully satisfy their dietary requirments. If their true Vegans, ie absolutly no animal products whatsoever they will need cetain micologicaly derived B vitamins or they will slip into a coma and die....

i think its funny because in your first "paragraph" you sound like an idiot. i was a vegetarian up until the beginning of 2007. i packed on lots of mass with out meat. i just made a choice to start eating meat. and before you call people idiots you should learn how to spell.
just a tip...
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[gogz]

if they enjoy it, all power to them lol

[fpjesuits55]

vegans are treehugging hippies. i dont know how they can consider themselves healthy when all the eat are vergetables. humans are at the top of the food chain...utlize it just dont bother with them because they are like every other radical group and wont shut up.

[Sanj-]

its hard gaining mass as a vegan, but it is possible, you have to eat a lot.....crazy protein in beans

[Brutotal]

Aside from the fact that your probably trolling some vegan forum for your amusement you do deserve some help.

Iron deficency- impaired recovery powers, blood clots slower, bruise easier ect. in addition to slowing growth and what not

Ammino acids- man doesn't make enough of them for a "complete" protein and he must take them from nature in the form of other animals whose bodies do make it. However legumes (nuts) and plants do have what we need to make complete proteins if you take in a wide variety of food types. However much of the protein will be wasted because it is incomplete.

Creatine- man doesn't produce "optimal" levels of it by himself and when you eat red meats you will have more of it stored in your muscles. Studies on creatine have shown that it increases your strength/endurance in type IIb muscle fibers.

Now the argument over weather or not they can live "healthy" over just eating vegetables is stupid and unwin-able because they can live health. They can also take crap engineered in a pharmacy that doesn't kill animals but contains everything you can get from animals and cancer inside of it.

The problem is why would you want to? It is easier to eat meat (and they probably should conceede to this as being a vegan takes willpower and dedication to avoid those foods)

Humans evolved because they ate meat and it was the best/easiest to obtain source of protein vitamins minerals ect. They didn't have multivitamin tablets so they could choose not to eat something because it made them squimish.

Historically groups and ethnicities who ate lots of animal products dominated those who did not. Nomadic "barbarians" who lived with their cattle or hunted the plains herdes terrorized farmers and stationary groups who lived off of grain and wine. The term barbarian comes from "butter eater" as the romans did not approve of what they did with milk to get butter.

Oh yeah and we as people currently eat meat more frequently than most people did back in the day as it is easier to obtain. We're also taller, more altheletic, possibly smarter, ect. Don't bring in evolution as a reason for that as how many kids you have is never effected by how smart/strong or sucessful you are. If anything sucessful driven smarter people have less kids and the people who have the most kids are of lower income.

[Muscle1.]

I stand corrected.

[Shaun1990]

Hi.

I've been arguing with vegans all ****ing day on another forum about why a vegan diet isn't optimum for packing on lean mass.

Can anyone here explain concisely what makes a carnivorous diet so much better for a bodybuilder than one without animal products?

It's not just protein.

thank you so much for any help.

Well, simply from a nutritionist point of view, a vegan diet isnt a balanced one.

[mikeygotz1]

You are not going to win an arguement about how someone should live their life.

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