Cutler King?

[EvanStroud]

Just received my order for Cutler Nutrition KING, and I've been searching far and wide for reviews, etc., but to no avail. I'm going to start using them next week, so I'll review after trying them. Honestly, I was just curious to see if anyone has used this supplement.

[Danes]

Just received my order for Cutler Nutrition KING, and I've been searching far and wide for reviews, etc., but to no avail. I'm going to start using them next week, so I'll review after trying them. Honestly, I was just curious to see if anyone has used this supplement.

I have used and still using phosphatidic acid (main ingredient in king). Love it and it is really one of the best natty ingredient

[Misctake7]

King is a new supplement and has been out for maybe a month now. Highly doubt you will find a review for another month or two. Takes time to see results.

[mentalist72]

King is a new supplement and has been out for maybe a month now. Highly doubt you will find a review for another month or two. Takes time to see results.

^ this.

Though if you look up PA, I'm sure you'll find plenty of positive reviews.

[iamjeffrey]

^ this.

Though if you look up PA, I'm sure you'll find plenty of positive reviews.

Micro-PA has been out for a while. Kissadookie has used I believe 2 bottles, so at least a month+ right? Surely that's time for feedback. I have 3 bottles I'm gonna run with XF and ABE soon. I talked to danes and he def has seen some solid tangible results so I'm goin for it!

[kissdadookie]

Micro-PA has been out for a while. Kissadookie has used I believe 2 bottles, so at least a month+ right? Surely that's time for feedback. I have 3 bottles I'm gonna run with XF and ABE soon. I talked to danes and he def has seen some solid tangible results so I'm goin for it!

Almost 3 bottles now

Well into my 3rd bottle of Micro-PA. Absolutely love PA. King has the best pricing on this ingredient currently and comes with 50% more servings at the full 750 mg's of Mediator PA.

Is King as efficacious as the Micro-PA I've been using? Probably, I still need to give it a run to see if there's any drop off, but if what's in then product is what's listed on the label, it should be good to go for full efficacious PA dosing.

[TheFugitive]

Sorry OP, we don't have any review as of yet. Keep us posted on your results

[chicago1963]

OP The Fugitive should be able to help you he ran this for 8 weeks.

[TheFugitive]

OP The Fugitive should be able to help you he ran this for 8 weeks.

I work for Cutler Nutrition as well, so I'm limited as what I can say about the product

[DanRey]

Just started my first dose of king today, i may do a log/review and update it every week or so. I plan on doing an 8 week cycle.

[BlueRev]

I'm following fugi closely via PM for myself
Can't wait to give this a try at a later date. Looking to have some real potential.

[TheFugitive]

I'm following fugi closely via PM for myself
Can't wait to give this a try at a later date. Looking to have some real potential.

Yo BR

[afi140]

Almost 3 bottles now

Well into my 3rd bottle of Micro-PA. Absolutely love PA. King has the best pricing on this ingredient currently and comes with 50% more servings at the full 750 mg's of Mediator PA.

Is King as efficacious as the Micro-PA I've been using? Probably, I still need to give it a run to see if there's any drop off, but if what's in then product is what's listed on the label, it should be good to go for full efficacious PA dosing.

Pa or ara if you had to choose

[Mr.Cooper69]

Pa or ara if you had to choose

Ara. AM had a lot of micro PA users and many reported no effect (except KDD and one other guy). I think ara has is a safer bet until more feedback emerges

[TheFugitive]

Ara. AM had a lot of micro PA users and many reported no effect (except KDD and one other guy). I think ara has is a safer bet until more feedback emerges

Coop, only one way to find out, run a few bottles

[NewAgeMayan]

(except KDD and one other guy).

Plus dont forget the 8 or so guys from Wilson's study!!1!

[Mr.Cooper69]

Coop, only one way to find out, run a few bottles

I agree, this would be the best way to find out, but it's certainly not the only way. I personally don't have $100+ to shell out so I feel that waiting for the feedback of others who made the leap is more prudent; there is also a single study, which although it provides very scant evidence (I like to see 3+ typically), the results are profound enough and in the proper training population to warrant my interest.

[grlight]

Almost 3 bottles now

Well into my 3rd bottle of Micro-PA. Absolutely love PA. King has the best pricing on this ingredient currently and comes with 50% more servings at the full 750 mg's of Mediator PA.

Is King as efficacious as the Micro-PA I've been using? Probably, I still need to give it a run to see if there's any drop off, but if what's in then product is what's listed on the label, it should be good to go for full efficacious PA dosing.

What kind of gains have you seen off it?

[kissdadookie]

What kind of gains have you seen off it?

First 10 days there was an increase in scale weight (most likely increased glycogen and water retention within muscle). Appetite was ferocious the first week or so, that does subside (for me at least). Notably increased muscle fullness, density, and overall they just feel much more solid. Strength continues to go in a positive direction.

My comparison between PA and ArA is that in my experience, PA is just as good if not better than my first ArA run and most certainly better than my second ArA run. I would give the nod to PA at this point with the better pricing BPI has brought to the table and the fact that I'm pretty much closing in on having used PA for 60 days at this point without noticing negative side effects or a decline in effects. ArA would have to be cycled of course (you're going to reach a point of diminishing returns as you'll eventually reach a saturation point) whilst theoretically PA doesn't (it does not appear to have this saturation effect AFAIK, you supplement with it to provide an increased supply of PA intra and extracellularly when you exercise, as opposed to taking it to reach some sort of PA saturation point).

Keep in mind that getting feedback at this point is going to be limited because the only company that has put out a popular PA product (prior to BPI/Cutler) has been BioTest. We all know how the BioTest clientele is like a little club where the members don't venture out much from BioTest products, so we don't see them posting on other forums nor can I honestly trust their feedback the majority of the time :P

[Mr.Cooper69]

You will need to explain to me how PA doesn't have a saturation point because that doesn't make sense lol

[grlight]

First 10 days there was an increase in scale weight (most likely increased glycogen and water retention within muscle). Appetite was ferocious the first week or so, that does subside (for me at least). Notably increased muscle fullness, density, and overall they just feel much more solid. Strength continues to go in a positive direction.

My comparison between PA and ArA is that in my experience, PA is just as good if not better than my first ArA run and most certainly better than my second ArA run. I would give the nod to PA at this point with the better pricing BPI has brought to the table and the fact that I'm pretty much closing in on having used PA for 60 days at this point without noticing negative side effects or a decline in effects. ArA would have to be cycled of course (you're going to reach a point of diminishing returns as you'll eventually reach a saturation point) whilst theoretically PA doesn't (it does not appear to have this saturation effect AFAIK, you supplement with it to provide an increased supply of PA intra and extracellularly when you exercise, as opposed to taking it to reach some sort of PA saturation point).

Keep in mind that getting feedback at this point is going to be limited because the only company that has put out a popular PA product (prior to BPI/Cutler) has been BioTest. We all know how the BioTest clientele is like a little club where the members don't venture out much from BioTest products, so we don't see them posting on other forums nor can I honestly trust their feedback the majority of the time :P

So you compare it to ara for strength gains?I remember when it first came out at nation reading about how to program on it they said to get the most results from it high reps low rest.With ara i have pushed past plateaus strength wise, can i expect increased strength gains in the 5 rep range on PA?Also what is your opinion on running pa on only workout days.Thanks.

[kissdadookie]

You will need to explain to me how PA doesn't have a saturation point because that doesn't make sense lol

The way it supposedly works is extra and intra cellular. So at least for extracellular levels of PA, I don't think you could reach a saturation point since that circulating PA in serum and it supposedly only stays there for around 7 hours. ArA from what I understand, you want that to be intracellular in which a cell membrane could only hold so much.

[kissdadookie]

So you compare it to ara for strength gains?I remember when it first came out at nation reading about how to program on it they said to get the most results from it high reps low rest.With ara i have pushed past plateaus strength wise, can i expect increased strength gains in the 5 rep range on PA?Also what is your opinion on running pa on only workout days.Thanks.

I think you need higher volume training. Intracellular PA is something that gets produced when there is a lot of eccentric movements done to damage muscle cells. So going by that, it's more beneficial for hypertrophy training (hypertrophy doesn't mean a stop to strength gains though).

[raponte22]

How are you guys who are running King dosing it? I know King says 1 cap 3x daily, but Micro-PA says take the full dose pre workout.

Any thoughts?

[JPF82]

How are you guys who are running King dosing it? I know King says 1 cap 3x daily, but Micro-PA says take the full dose pre workout.

Any thoughts?

I have my BB.com order on the truck, on it is 1 bottle of the King. I intend on doing the 3x1day for a week, then next week try out the 3xpre-workout and see if any difference is had for me.

I got 1 bottle to play with to see what happens, will buy a hella more bottles if it works well

[kissdadookie]

I have my BB.com order on the truck, on it is 1 bottle of the King. I intend on doing the 3x1day for a week, then next week try out the 3xpre-workout and see if any difference is had for me.

I got 1 bottle to play with to see what happens, will buy a hella more bottles if it works well

Will be looking forward to your feedback PA is something I have all intentions on keeping in year round as long as funds allow for it.

[JPF82]

Will be looking forward to your feedback PA is something I have all intentions on keeping in year round as long as funds allow for it.

Same if it works for me. I am a fatty compared to some of the avi's I see who are using it, so it will be interesting to see how it works......6'4 300lbs even here.

[TheFugitive]

How are you guys who are running King dosing it? I know King says 1 cap 3x daily, but Micro-PA says take the full dose pre workout.

Any thoughts?

King contains extra ingredients, so sticking to the directions would be your best bet

[afi140]

Ara. AM had a lot of micro PA users and many reported no effect (except KDD and one other guy). I think ara has is a safer bet until more feedback emerges

Thanks guys

[chrismac365]

Hey, I mentioned it in another thread, but don't overlook the value of the Niagen in KING... everyone loves the PA so much it is easy to overlook...