Jordan never went to 4 straight Finals.

[DefensiveEnd896]

Jordan's team WITHOUT him won 55 games in the tougher conference.

LeBron's team WITHOUT him couldn't win 55 in the LEASTern conference.

and lol at people unaware that Jordan DID lose the first year he came back after showing the world that he had no idea how to hit a baseball from the minor minor league.

You do realize basketball is a team game right?

You also realize that LeBron played in a weak Eastern conference when he was with the Cavs and that's pretty much the only reason he made it to the finals? That was painfully obvious when the Spurs swept him 4-0...

I don't know why you are talking trash because MJ tried to play baseball. He isn't God, he's human... At least he gave it a shot. You probably couldn't even make your HS baseball team..

Jordan was just empty stats before Pippen became a top 10 player in the league/best perimeter defender of his generation... the argument of Mj never lost in the finals his hilarious, as though losing in the first round is somehow a bigger achievement.

Lebron and Jordan both needed good supporting casts to win championships like every player, however Lebron managed to get a poor supporting cast to the finals and this is somehow seen as a negative thing.

It's impossible to win the NBA championship every year.

The point is when MJ was at his peak he won the championship every time. It wasn't just that he went 6 for 6 it was how he did it. Making Drexler his bitch and the shrug game, averaging 40+ ppg against Barkley's Suns, clutch shot after clutch shot against the Jazz along with the flu game etc.. LeBron has had some great finals performances but he can't compare IMO...

[niknguyen]

Lmao @ "much tougher conference"

Did yall *******s see the teams they played and their records? Please gtfo with that

[Daewoo_Lanos]

Lmao @ "much tougher conference"

Did yall *******s see the teams they played and their records? Please gtfo with that

revisionist history. the bulls played mostly hot garbage. magic's lakers went to 9 finals in 12 years because 30 win teams were in the playoffs lmao. strong pre-season intensity during the playoffs.

[IH8RICE]

how is losing to a team that eventually wins the champion different than losing in the finals?

you wot m8?

[neighborr]

lol at thinking that Jordan just "up and retired"

"... if David Stern lets me back in the league..."

lol at retired....you know that was a soft suspension because he was such a degenerate gambler that he's got Future24 betting on NASCAR???

I understand there are conspiracy theories out there. I'm just stating what happened on record. Whether he was suspended or not is besides the point, MJ would've won more rings (at least 1) had that not happened. That's all I'm saying.

[KMR]

There is no way to know how many rings Jordan would have won had he not left to play baseball. Playing that deep into June might have eventually taken a toll on the Bulls physically, and who knows if their will to win, which was reinvigorated after the loss in '95, would have remained constant had they won four or five in a row. We have no way of knowing. What we do know is that Jordan won 6 rings; no more, no less.

Oh, and being undefeated in the finals means nothing, since that implies that losing in the finals is worse than losing earlier in the playoffs.

[Rebounds45]

There is no way to know how many rings Jordan would have won had he not left to play baseball. Playing that deep into June might have eventually taken a toll on the Bulls physically, and who knows if their will to win, which was reinvigorated after the loss in '95, would have remained constant had they won four or five in a row. We have no way of knowing. What we do know is that Jordan won 6 rings; no more, no less.

Oh, and being undefeated in the finals means nothing, since that implies that losing in the finals is worse than losing earlier in the playoffs.

you mad he won 6 for 6? you mad nobody cant defeat the Bulls in the biggest stage?

[KMR]

Why would I be mad? He was on the best team each time, and was the best player in the world for a solid decade. Them winning each time they got to the finals was nearly a foregone conclusion, although the Suns and Jazz (the 2nd time) did make you wonder, "Is this the year someone beats the Bulls in the finals?"

On the flip side, the '07 Cavs were probably the worst team to ever make it to the finals (Larry Hughes was probably their 2nd best player, LOL), so I don't think holding that against James is fair. Him carrying that team to the finals was a monster achievement, and there was no shame in losing to the Spurs.

[Daewoo_Lanos]

On the flip side, the '07 Cavs were probably the worst team to ever make it to the finals (Larry Hughes was probably their 2nd best player, LOL), so I don't think holding that against James is fair. Him carrying that team to the finals was a monster achievement, and there was no shame in losing to the Spurs.

it's a monster achievement because as terrible as the East was that year, the Cavs still had no right to make the Finals. The Pistons shouldve been there and would've given the Spurs much more trouble before inevitably losing to them.

The reason Lebron gets credit for that year from everyone except the haters is because he decided the Pistons were not going to beat him. And that was it -- he decided and there was nothing they could do about it. An important moment in his growth that he went back to in game 6 against the Celtics in the ECF in the Stare game. Just like he decided down 13 with 14 minutes to go in the headband game of last year's finals that the Spurs were not going to beat him.

Moments of greatness when the historically great decide to impose their will upon unwilling recipients. And now he has perfected it. Barring extreme injury to key starters, no one will win a ring until Lebron says so.

[ImInSaiyan]

rofl............................ negged for the most stupid post of the year

go look at eastern conference records when jordan was in the league

[LeonardShelby]

Lol at ever comparing LeBron's 2011 finals to any series Jordan has ever lost. Never has there been a bigger choke job in the history of the nba.

[KMR]

Lol at ever comparing LeBron's 2011 finals to any series Jordan has ever lost. Never has there been a bigger choke job in the history of the nba.

The 2004 Lakers, who were loaded with future Hall of Famers and the most successful head coach ever, would like a word with you.

it's a monster achievement because as terrible as the East was that year, the Cavs still had no right to make the Finals. The Pistons shouldve been there and would've given the Spurs much more trouble before inevitably losing to them.

The reason Lebron gets credit for that year from everyone except the haters is because he decided the Pistons were not going to beat him. And that was it -- he decided and there was nothing they could do about it. An important moment in his growth that he went back to in game 6 against the Celtics in the ECF in the Stare game. Just like he decided down 13 with 14 minutes to go in the headband game of last year's finals that the Spurs were not going to beat him.

Moments of greatness when the historically great decide to impose their will upon unwilling recipients. And now he has perfected it. Barring extreme injury to key starters, no one will win a ring until Lebron says so.

I agree with most of this, except the last part. The Heat will have a tough time in the finals this year if it is against the Spurs. Not saying the Thunder would be a picnic (either match-up will be tough), but the Spurs are a tougher match-up for the Heat, and Miami, despite's LBJ's greatness, isn't as good as last year.

[montecarlo]

Lol at ever comparing LeBron's 2011 finals to any series Jordan has ever lost. Never has there been a bigger choke job in the history of the nba.

yeah man jordan couldnt even get to the finals those years. brb choking 1st round. honestly its getting really funny....first it was kobe stans....then kobe/kd stans.....no we have to worry about kobe/jordan stans.....lmao how rustled are all you *******s that lebron james is literally challenging jordan for goat.

[KMR]

I tend to give the 2011 Mavs tons of credit for their strategy in that finals. Since LBJ is not a volume shooter (he dominates in other ways), they figured that certain defensive schemes would get the ball out of his hands, since he always makes the smart basketball move by passing it when it gives them a better percentage shot, and they were right. They basically bet that the rest of the Heat couldn't beat them. And it worked. If they tried it now, I think James would attack them differently, but it is what it is. I don't see it as a choke so much as a great team win by the Mavericks. I know we live in a society where people love to play the blame game, but sometimes you just have to give someone mad props for a great strategy.

[khanvictt]

On the flip side, the '07 Cavs were probably the worst team to ever make it to the finals (Larry Hughes was probably their 2nd best player, LOL), so I don't think holding that against James is fair. Him carrying that team to the finals was a monster achievement, and there was no shame in losing to the Spurs.

2001 76ers lead by a 5'11 165lbs player.

[LeonardShelby]

yeah man jordan couldnt even get to the finals those years. brb choking 1st round. honestly its getting really funny....first it was kobe stans....then kobe/kd stans.....no we have to worry about kobe/jordan stans.....lmao how rustled are all you *******s that lebron james is literally challenging jordan for goat.

Except as said Jordan never choked like LeBron did in that finals series. Jordan fans know that LeBron hasn't even sniffed Jordan's greatness and very unlikely he ever will. Too funny seeing LeBron fans trying to argue otherwise.

[Day1086]

it's a monster achievement because as terrible as the East was that year, the Cavs still had no right to make the Finals. The Pistons shouldve been there and would've given the Spurs much more trouble before inevitably losing to them.

The reason Lebron gets credit for that year from everyone except the haters is because he decided the Pistons were not going to beat him. And that was it -- he decided and there was nothing they could do about it. An important moment in his growth that he went back to in game 6 against the Celtics in the ECF in the Stare game. Just like he decided down 13 with 14 minutes to go in the headband game of last year's finals that the Spurs were not going to beat him.

Moments of greatness when the historically great decide to impose their will upon unwilling recipients. And now he has perfected it. Barring extreme injury to key starters, no one will win a ring until Lebron says so.

Real talk you were stroking your erect cawk while you wrote this

[montecarlo]

I tend to give the 2011 Mavs tons of credit for their strategy in that finals. Since LBJ is not a volume shooter (he dominates in other ways), they figured that certain defensive schemes would get the ball out of his hands, since he always makes the smart basketball move by passing it when it gives them a better percentage shot, and they were right. They basically bet that the rest of the Heat couldn't beat them. And it worked. If they tried it now, I think James would attack them differently, but it is what it is. I don't see it as a choke so much as a great team win by the Mavericks. I know we live in a society where people love to play the blame game, but sometimes you just have to give someone mad props for a great strategy.

i agree. that heat team was completely different. it wasnt fully lebrons team yet. the ball went through wade way too much. they also didnt play a great offense and tried to win playing hero ball and chucking threes instead of making the smart basketball play. they had chemistry/identity issues. lebron couldnt play his game that way. credit to them for fixing the problems and winning 2 maybe 3 ships in a row.

[Day1086]

Lebron has put up laughable stats in 2 finals losses, one as a heavy favorite and was outshined by his own teammate

That's not an easy thing to ignore when you're comparing to Jordan's near flawless resume

Not that much of a knock on Lebron, Jordan is just the GOAT and the gap between him and #2 is huge. I think Lebron makes that #2 spot though

[broboma2012]

Lebron has put up laughable stats in 2 finals losses, one as a heavy favorite and was outshined by his own teammate

That's not an easy thing to ignore when you're comparing to Jordan's near flawless resume

Not that much of a knock on Lebron, Jordan is just the GOAT and the gap between him and #2 is huge. I think Lebron makes that #2 spot though

this. lebron has an absolute mountain to climb to match MJ's playoff resume. especially in the finals. lebron will have to put up the greatest finals performances ever in order just to match MJ at this point

[kingback]

it wasn't tougher

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[IH8RICE]

this. lebron has an absolute mountain to climb to match MJ's playoff resume. especially in the finals. lebron will have to put up the greatest finals performances ever in order just to match MJ at this point

And what if he does? He knows he has to because the heat are worse than last year and the spurs are out for revenge. IF he comes out and does some thing spectacular in the finals, I want a thread made by you jordan lovers that congragulates lebron. No hate, just congragulate

[Daewoo_Lanos]

Real talk you were stroking your erect cawk while you wrote this

One hand on my cawk, one hand on my phone while getting a haircut. How jelly are you

[niknguyen]

And what if he does? He knows he has to because the heat are worse than last year and the spurs are out for revenge. IF he comes out and does some thing spectacular in the finals, I want a thread made by you jordan lovers that congragulates lebron. No hate, just congragulate

Are you stupid. They'll just make more excuses

[kingback]

go look at eastern conference records when jordan was in the league

In 93:

Bulls swept 43-39 Hawks who had Nique still putting up 30 PPG. Willis with 18/13 a game, Blaylock one of the best defensive PG's in the game, and Augmon one of the best rookies and a great 6th man

Swept the 54-28 Cavs. Daugherty and Price. With a bunch of solid as **** roleplayers like Nance, Ehlo, Hot Rod. Daugherty would be the best center in the game today.

4-2 over 60-22 NY. Ewing, once again would be the best center in today's game. They didn't really have a legit second star but they went deep and had a bunch of guys who chipped in as well as Starks shooting a lot.

lol @ the thought of the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers being better than these teams. fukkin lol

[niknguyen]

In 93:

Bulls swept 43-39 Hawks who had Nique still putting up 30 PPG. Willis with 18/13 a game, Blaylock one of the best defensive PG's in the game, and Augmon one of the best rookies and a great 6th man

Swept the 54-28 Cavs. Daugherty and Price. With a bunch of solid as **** roleplayers like Nance, Ehlo, Hot Rod. Daugherty would be the best center in the game today.

4-2 over 60-22 NY. Ewing, once again would be the best center in today's game. They didn't really have a legit second star but they went deep and had a bunch of guys who chipped in as well as Starks shooting a lot.

lol @ the thought of the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers being better than these teams. fukkin lol

Strong sig dumb *******

Tell me more about how great those teams were when you were 2.

Inb4 hardwood classics

[IH8RICE]

In 93:

Bulls swept 43-39 Hawks who had Nique still putting up 30 PPG. Willis with 18/13 a game, Blaylock one of the best defensive PG's in the game, and Augmon one of the best rookies and a great 6th man

Swept the 54-28 Cavs. Daugherty and Price. With a bunch of solid as **** roleplayers like Nance, Ehlo, Hot Rod. Daugherty would be the best center in the game today.

4-2 over 60-22 NY. Ewing, once again would be the best center in today's game. They didn't really have a legit second star but they went deep and had a bunch of guys who chipped in as well as Starks shooting a lot.

lol @ the thought of the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers being better than these teams. fukkin lol

what about the other years *******......We''l wait

[IH8RICE]

Are you stupid. They'll just make more excuses

trying to work with them man, one step at a time

[gonz312]

Anyone who disputes the fact that Jordan is the GOAT and its not even close are either too young to have seen actual greatness or just dont understand the NBA. The league has tried so hard to "make" another player like Mike by watering down the game of basketball yet even in this modern version of the NBA they struggle to fill that role. Lebron is great, easily the best player on the planet but its laughable how not close he is to being in the same league as MJ...FACT

Bron would of never survived the bad boy pistons...he barely survived the modern celtics and bulls which come off as pansies compared to the bad boys

[LeonardShelby]

And what if he does? He knows he has to because the heat are worse than last year and the spurs are out for revenge. IF he comes out and does some thing spectacular in the finals, I want a thread made by you jordan lovers that congragulates lebron. No hate, just congragulate

Lol note how broboma said finals performances plural. It'll take more than one great finals performance to match a guy who had 6 great finals performances. Especially since he already lost 2 and severely choked one away.