Anavite + ZMA = Too much Magnesium?

[DGarcia519]

I was planning to order Anavite and ZMA soon, and while I was re-checking Anavite I noticed that a full dose (2 servings) contains 400mg of Magnesium and 30mg of Zinc. I had planned on taking ZMA to sleep but I think that 800mg of Magnesium a day will be way to much. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

[emergency]

Instead of ZMA why not go with Melatonin or GABA

[DGarcia519]

Instead of ZMA why not go with Melatonin or GABA

I tried melatonin before ZMA and I found it to not be very effective for me. I've never hear of GABA, but I will look into it. Thanks.

[powercage]

It's not too much Mg. I would add extra Mg to every multi on the market.

[AlecGaspari]

If you are taking two doses of Anavite a day, then you don't need additional zinc or magnesium.

extra Magnesium wouldn't hurt, but the benefits would be very small - Gaspari's Anavite already contains 100% RDA of Magnesium in the form of Albion® Magnesium Aspartate

[Aweman]

If you are taking two doses of Anavite a day, then you don't need additional zinc or magnesium.

extra Magnesium wouldn't hurt, but the benefits would be very small - Gaspari's Anavite already contains 100% RDA of Magnesium in the form of Albion® Magnesium Aspartate

This.

The 30mg of zinc in Anavite is well absorbed and at an optimal amount. You really don't need to take any more unless you are attempting to address a deficiency/illness. Plus if you do take another 30mg from ZMA then you run the risk of inhibiting your copper intake.

The form of magnesium in Anavite is also well absorbed and at the RDA of 400mg. Frankly, to find a well absorbed full dose of magnesium in a multivitamin is a rarity that I don't believe I've seen before Anavite. You shouldn't need to take anymore from ZMA unless you a poor calcium-magnesium ratio. It should be somewhere between 2:1 and 1:1. Most likely you are in good range. You could take another 200-400mg of magnesium and it probably wouldn't hurt, but more zinc would really be unnecessary.

[powercage]

RDA is not optimal. When the RDA says 100%, it isnt meant to be considered an optimal intake. It's more the level suggested to prevent health issues.

[SuperTrampsv]

I tried melatonin before ZMA and I found it to not be very effective for me. I've never hear of GABA, but I will look into it. Thanks.

GABA is my ishhhhh!

[deserusan]

It's probably too much, especially in the zinc area. There are upper tolerable limits that are well documented and the combination plus the additional minerals from your diet will exceed these.

[VicMackey92]

I feel really tired and no't in good mood when i take too much magnesium citrate

[deserusan]

I feel really tired and no't in good mood when i take too much magnesium citrate

Mag citrate has a really poor BA and it's clinical use is as a laxative. That's probably why you feel ****ty.

[VicMackey92]

Mag citrate has a really poor BA and it's clinical use is as a laxative. That's probably why you feel ****ty.

Never have " laxative effect " on it , what magnesium can you guys recommend me for sleep and recovery?

I really notice the effect when I add 400mg of magnesium citrate during dinner

[deserusan]

Never have " laxative effect " on it , what magnesium can you guys recommend me for sleep and recovery?

I really notice the effect when I add 400mg of magnesium citrate during dinner

Magnesium diglycinate chelate or magnesium aspartate. Fully reacted magnesium orotate is good as well.

[VicMackey92]

Magnesium diglycinate chelate or magnesium aspartate. Fully reacted magnesium orotate is good as well.

thanx , this is a side effect of magnesium citrate of feeling tired ?

[Aweman]

thanx , this is a side effect of magnesium citrate of feeling tired ?

Perhaps you should take your magnesium at night. It's one of the aminos/minerals/vitamins most involved in the process of making melatonin for sleep.

[DGarcia519]

What do you guys think is the bigger issue? Zinc or Magnesium? The reason i ask is I found an alternative sleep aid to ZMA - Source Naturals NightRest: has Melatonin and GABA, though 300mg Magnesium; however, it has no Zinc. I have yet to find another budget friendly option that looks as effective.

I really like the idea of Anavite as it has Beta Alanine and ALCAR already in it, but if nothing else I can always opt for Orange Triad, though that will also require grabbing ALCAR and beta alanine separately (which I would rather avoid).

[SuperTrampsv]

What do you guys think is the bigger issue? Zinc or Magnesium? The reason i ask is I found an alternative sleep aid to ZMA - Source Naturals NightRest: has Melatonin and GABA, though 300mg Magnesium; however, it has no Zinc. I have yet to find another budget friendly option that looks as effective.

I really like the idea of Anavite as it has Beta Alanine and ALCAR already in it, but if nothing else I can always opt for Orange Triad, though that will also require grabbing ALCAR and beta alanine separately (which I would rather avoid).

I love this NightRest! ^^^ I just ran out about a week ago. I don't have any issues with my Anavite... I drink twice daily with my lemon water. But the NightRest is something I have been using off and on for a number of years.

[DGarcia519]

I love this NightRest! ^^^ I just ran out about a week ago. I don't have any issues with my Anavite... I drink twice daily with my lemon water. But the NightRest is something I have been using off and on for a number of years.

So you've had no issues using both? Thanks for the input. Also, glad to hear NightRest works. It's pretty cheap, especially for a decent sleep aid. Quick question about it: do you cycle it through the week? I was thinking about using Sunday-to-Thursday night and take the weekends off. It doesn't say anything about cycling though.

[SuperTrampsv]

So you've had no issues using both? Thanks for the input. Also, glad to hear NightRest works. It's pretty cheap, especially for a decent sleep aid. Quick question about it: do you cycle it through the week? I was thinking about using Sunday-to-Thursday night and take the weekends off. It doesn't say anything about cycling though.

No sir.. no issues at all. I've used it off and on since college. And lately with Anavite. I would say it is "Inexpensive" instead of cheap . I would make sure to take them considering a couple of things.....

You need aid sleeping that specific night.
You allow yourself plenty of time for good sleep (if I take it and get 5 hours... sometimes I groggy)
Personally... I never cycle sleep aids... I do get a desensitized it seems.. this is when I typically order ingredients separately or something entirely different for a couple of weeks. Then restock NightRest and jump back on it. I am a sucker for good sleep!

[iamjeffrey]

What do you guys think is the bigger issue? Zinc or Magnesium? The reason i ask is I found an alternative sleep aid to ZMA - Source Naturals NightRest: has Melatonin and GABA, though 300mg Magnesium; however, it has no Zinc. I have yet to find another budget friendly option that looks as effective.

I really like the idea of Anavite as it has Beta Alanine and ALCAR already in it, but if nothing else I can always opt for Orange Triad, though that will also require grabbing ALCAR and beta alanine separately (which I would rather avoid).

It doesn't have alcar it has LCLT.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Mag citrate has a really poor BA and it's clinical use is as a laxative. That's probably why you feel ****ty.

The bioavailability of magneisum citrate is actually quite fine, at roughly 30%, which is only slightly less than the aspartate chelate used in anavite. The dose used for a clinical laxative effect is about 15 grams taken at once, overwhelming intestinal transporters and causing an osmotic effect. So that's not really relevant to this discussion

[VicMackey92]

The bioavailability of magneisum citrate is actually quite fine, at roughly 30%, which is only slightly less than the aspartate chelate used in anavite. The dose used for a clinical laxative effect is about 15 grams taken at once, overwhelming intestinal transporters and causing an osmotic effect. So that's not really relevant to this discussion

thanx , that's cool to see people giving advice with actual knowledge

that's why I say i never have laxative effect, too much people here are giving advice with poor knowledge

[Aweman]

thanx , that's cool to see people giving advice with actual knowledge

that's why I say i never have laxative effect, too much people here are giving advice with poor knowledge

Perhaps deserusan had confused magnesium citrate with magnesium oxide. Magnesium oxide has a very low bioavailability and it's also used as a laxative. It's often put in multivitamins as it's cheaper and takes up less room in the capsule, but really they might as well not bother.

Not everyone would get the laxative effect from oxide or citrate though, at least not at the doses in multis or standard magnesium supps.

[xHiroko]

Instead of ZMA why not go with Melatonin or GABA

Magnesium helps relax your nervous system, relieve doms and is good for recovery.
Magnesium itself is good for deep sleeps.
I've tried Melatonin, GABA and Magnesium alone.
ZMA has given me bad reactions so I used Magnesium alone and it worked like a magic.

[DGarcia519]

It doesn't have alcar it has LCLT.

My mistake. I looked it up (as I had no idea what it was) on Examine.com and the article basically lumped them together.
Also Known As:
Acetyl-L-Carnitine, ALCAR, Acetylcarnitine, L-Carnitine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, LCLT, Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine, GPLC, Levocarnitine, Levacecarnine, L-3-hydroxytrimethylamminobutanoate
Though they do slightly differentiate them later in the article, based on which is used for what. Re-reading it it mentions that one (ALCAR) is used for cognitive enhancement while LCLT is used for performance (physical) output. Would there be any issue combining ALCAR with the Anavite?

[eldawg]

I am not sure why after all these years, people are still buying ZMA. As mentioned by several posters, there is no need for additional zinc if you are already getting 30mg through a multi and good magensium supplements, are VERY cheap.

[DGarcia519]

I am not sure why after all these years, people are still buying ZMA. As mentioned by several posters, there is no need for additional zinc if you are already getting 30mg through a multi and good magensium supplements, are VERY cheap.

That may be true, but you also indicate that it is only an issue for those taking a multi as well. I took ZMA in the past for a few years, yet have not taken a multi in about a decade, so there was no worry about too much zinc. I doubt I am the only ZMA user who was not taking a multi at the time. That said, you're right that it is not needed with most multi's, which is why I was considering an alternative. Though I did not realize that the zinc would be the bigger concern (and tbh never even thought about it).

That said, I think I will opt for Orange Triad and just buy iForce ALCAR, and NOW Beta-Alanine. OT only has 100mg of magnesium, so combined with NightRest I will be getting my 400mg; no concerns about going over. On top of that, since OT is cheaper then Anavite (as mentioned earlier in the thread) and both ALCAR and BA are very inexpensive, I will be getting all the benefits I want for not much more then Anavite alone. I originally planned on Anavite when I incorrectly confused the LCLT with ALCAR.

[Zachattack43]

My mistake. I looked it up (as I had no idea what it was) on Examine.com and the article basically lumped them together.
Also Known As:
Acetyl-L-Carnitine, ALCAR, Acetylcarnitine, L-Carnitine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, LCLT, Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine, GPLC, Levocarnitine, Levacecarnine, L-3-hydroxytrimethylamminobutanoate
Though they do slightly differentiate them later in the article, based on which is used for what. Re-reading it it mentions that one (ALCAR) is used for cognitive enhancement while LCLT is used for performance (physical) output. Would there be any issue combining ALCAR with the Anavite?

I'm happy someone pointed out the differences. There is no problem using ALCAR with L Carnitine L Tartrate(otherwise known as Carnipure and LCLT)

[eldawg]

That may be true, but you also indicate that it is only an issue for those taking a multi as well. I took ZMA in the past for a few years, yet have not taken a multi in about a decade, so there was no worry about too much zinc. I doubt I am the only ZMA user who was not taking a multi at the time. That said, you're right that it is not needed with most multi's, which is why I was considering an alternative. Though I did not realize that the zinc would be the bigger concern (and tbh never even thought about it).

In that case, you'd have been much better off buying zinc and magneisum supplements on their own. (Some of the zinc supps also include B6 so even that red herring wouldn't matter.)