City plans to attack economic segregation by moving poor into rich neighborhoods

[Uncle-Phil]

Actually, it will likely RAISE the property values around the area...which means poor people will have higher property taxes. This is nothing more than government sponsored social planning...and when exactly has that worked out?

Also, people who have the means and money will move to the more affluent areas. Thats just the way of the free market. People want to live near good schools, nice houses with affluent neighbors. You can't make people move to an area because you want to be politically correct in addressing a problem that will still not be addressed.

This.

Also known as white flight and I'm not even white.



I don't understand NY, I really don't.


This is also a slap in the face of those immigrants like my family and I who started from the bottom and moved up. Glad I don't live in that chit whole anymore.

[oVo]

I have a duplex. There is a family of 4 on one-side and a family of 4 on the other. One family works 3 jobs between the two parents. The other works 1 job between the two parents. One family is on time with their rent and the other is always late. It is not education, it is sheer laziness. You can't teach people to not be lazy.

[RedSoxfan1978]

What an absolute disgrace.

Do some research on the man on charge. See what you find out. He has an Italian last name but......................

[wheyman12]

Meh, There is re gentrification going on in my city and it doesn't seem like a big deal.....upper middle class people are buying houses like crazy in the old poverty neighborhoods.
You see yuppies and hipsters riding their bikes down the streets of a bunch of shady looking characters. I don't think they have much problems with it.

They also build promote poverty income into newer developments by setting aside a certain amt. of houses in newer(some) developments for low income households only

[BloodofDante]

A bunch of NYC limousine liberals are fixin to meet some poor people for the first time in their life. Let's see how long it takes from them to change their views.

[natypes]

The poor only resort to crime because they feel poor and looked down on (it's true).

nope nope nope nope They commit crime b/c they poor impulse control and lack foresight.

[FlyingGrenades]

Then explain to me why crime exists primarily in low-income neighborhoods compared to middle or high-income neighborhoods. It's not like those born in low-income neighborhoods and families are a different species altogether. There is most-definitely an external cultural influence that causes them to resort to crime.
But I agree that the only way to combat poverty is by proper education. Just throwing money at a problem has never solved anything.

You mean bad parents? You mean parents who have kids who're hood trash, have a criminal record and know nothing about raising a kid?


You CAN'T combat bad parenting and external influences with more education. Some cities in NY pump $20,000 a year ( more than the national average by a sht ton ) per student and they are still under performing nuisances. Even if you are a somewhat good parent your kid is surrounded by degenerate pot heads with bad parents who encourage degenerate nuisance behavior.

Politicians NEVER mention bad parenting or anything because it's a touchy subject and sadly you can't control it as easily. It's the root cause of nearly all of someones problems though.

[irollurmom]

Meh, There is re gentrification going on in my city and it doesn't seem like a big deal.....upper middle class people are buying houses like crazy in the old poverty neighborhoods.

They also build promote poverty income into newer developments by setting aside a certain amt. of houses in newer(some) developments for low income households only

They're doing the same thing in my city, albeit with a difference. The wealthy builders are tearing down the old, rundown houses and building brand new duplexes on the same lots.

[lazi]

I wonder how close these developments will be to Housing Preservation and Development Commissioner Vicki Been's home?

Not srs she lives in West Village

http://nypost.com/2014/02/09/new-hou...yu-town-house/

map of her house: *****://maps.google.com/maps?q=west+village+nyc&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89c25994969f5463:0xef39a95bf88cb084, West+Village,+New+York,+NY&gl=us&ei=UoZ_U7exDY6ysA StxIH4CA&ved=0CK4BELYDMA4

hypocrite of peace

[otakutrevan]

This is not...going....to....work....putting poor people around less poor people wont change the economic status of the poor people....

[RedSoxfan1978]

This.

Also known as white flight and I'm not even white.



I don't understand NY, I really don't.


This is also a slap in the face of those immigrants like my family and I who started from the bottom and moved up. Glad I don't live in that chit whole anymore.

No kidding brah. Not all immigrants are created equally. Though they would have you believe otherwise.

I am an immigrants son. My father came here from Italy ton escape fascism and here we are anyway.

He came to Elis Island and stayed in quarantine. He had to have a trade. He had to learn English. They didnt print all the signs, labels,menus, and Instruction manuals on Italian as they do now for the Spanish speakers here.

Now they come here and they don't learn the language. It's because they don't have to. They don't have to have a trade or skill. They go on Welfare and Food Stamps. This country is in serious trouble.

How things have changed.

[jtaylor2010]

Due to recent issues in Highland Heights we've adjusted the HOA contract to include a few new terms.


- please contain all 40 oz. empty beer bottles to the back yard. Any bottles found in front yards will be subject to fines

- refrain from pimping after 11 PM, as some of us have kids in school and late night activities interrupt sleep

- I know you're used to having bars on the windows, but this is not allowed in this neighborhood

- no empty bags of any kind will be tolerated in yards. Please make sure your customers leave the neighborhood before doing the drugs

- if you have a problem with what color your neighbor wears please work out your problems peacefully, or if needed both parties may request a HOA meeting to resolve the issue

Thank you for your continued cooperation in these matters.
















No racist

[irollurmom]

You mean bad parents? You mean parents who have kids who're hood trash, have a criminal record and know nothing about raising a kid?


You CAN'T combat bad parenting and external influences with more education. Some cities in NY pump $20,000 a year ( more than the national average by a sht ton ) per student and they are still under performing nuisances. And how even if you are a somewhat good parent your kid is surrounded by degenerate pot heads with bad parents.

Politicians NEVER say bad parenting or anything because it's a touchy subject and sadly you can't control it as easily. It's the root cause of nearly all people though.

If you teach those kids to actually give a **** about their future, they will perform better. The only reason I knew to do well in school is because I liked living in comfort and I didn't want to lose that. Schools have rarely taught you to study hard because it's good for your future. They only teach you to study hard because it's on your next test.

[wheyman12]

They're doing the same thing in my city, albeit with a difference. The wealthy builders are tearing down the old, rundown houses and building brand new duplexes on the same lots.

Yea, the east side has become pretty trendy and now developers are buying up land and putting up new townhomes and condos.

You have ghetto section 8 housing on one block and then just down the street you have like 400k townhomes going up. Eventually it's just gonna push out the poor who can't afford the higher property taxes which is sad. The east side has a lot of the old school city feel to it, along witht he ghetto parts.

[Jaroctor]

brb build 400,000 home in the ghetto

first month-nothing but optimism and liberalism
second month-lowered to 390k nothing
fifth month-Move in special 350K
2 years later-aw fuk bye





We're killing everything at the expense of "diversity". Diversity is good if the people are good. Unfortunately, poor people are usually scum. Not always, but more times than not.

Lol but don't you think there's a reason for their behaviour (notably poverty which doesn't give them any opportunity?)

It's less about money and more about a lack of connections.

[mm394006]

We have to show them the ladder out and the most efficient way in which to climb.

I went to elemantary school in the #1 worst school in the state of Ohio. My mom stayed at home to raise me and my sister and my dad worked 7 days a week 14-16 hours a day on the family farm for less than minimum wage.

I now have a master's degree in engineering and have a good job and am almost finished paying off my school only 2 years after graduating with 6 years worth of loans.

Did the government give me a big lump of money or benefits to put me on an equal playing field with the "rich kids"? No! My mom and dad taught me how to be my own man and work my a$$ off to get where I want to be.

Having something handed to me wouldn't have made me as hungry. It wouldn't have made me work so hard. I wouldn't be nearly as successful today as I am if somebody had just bailed me out. Trying to level the playing field just cripples those who you are "helping". It's a heck of a tactic to secure a slaves for your system though that's for sure.

[irollurmom]

No kidding brah. Not all immigrants are created equally. Though they would have you believe otherwise.

I am an immigrants son. My father came here from Italy ton escape fascism and here we are anyway.

He came to Elis Island and stayed in quarantine. He had to have a trade. He had to learn English. They didnt print all the signs, labels,menus, and Instruction manuals on Italian as they do now for the Spanish speakers here.

Now they come here and they don't learn the language. It's because they don't have to. They don't have to have a trade or skill. They go on Welfare and Food Stamps. This country is in serious trouble.

How things have changed.

The reason the poor in developing countries work that much harder in NA is mostly because of poor government spending in their home country. You will literally die if you don't get up at the crack of dawn and go to work. Here, there are safety nets and **** if you don't work hard.

[FlyingGrenades]

If you teach those kids to actually give a **** about their future, they will perform better. The only reason I knew to do well in school is because I liked living in comfort and I didn't want to lose that. Schools have rarely taught you to study hard because it's good for your future. They only teach you to study hard because it's on your next test.

The entire education system is a joke because it all revolves around lining pockets. It's a whole other topic but k-12 education is a joke and in some ways college is too ( and for the same reason; lining pockets ).


You can't teach someone to care about their future if they have bad values instilled into them by their parents ( if any at all really ). They only want to party, have anonymous sex, do drugs and other degenerate garbage.

[G3LesPaul]

Johannesburg all over again. In the 80s, the rich lived in JoBurg. It was a thriving city.

Then the poor came in from other countries and the rich moved out into the suburbs and then JoBurg has gone downhill ever since

[NoodleLegs]

Then explain to me why crime exists primarily in low-income neighborhoods compared to middle or high-income neighborhoods. It's not like those born in low-income neighborhoods and families are a different species altogether. There is most-definitely an external cultural influence that causes them to resort to crime.
But I agree that the only way to combat poverty is by proper education. Just throwing money at a problem has never solved anything.

That's a can of worms that I won't touch here for various reasons. There are considerable cultural differences between poor and middle class families that either tend to perpetuate success or teach crime. Call me a racist; I'm not...at all. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of studies on these issues; I encourage you to look into them to find the truths for yourself because they are galvanizing. It's not as simple as saying, "Family A, if given (x) dollars and access to (y) things will lead to (z)." The breadth of the problem is breathtaking and won't be solved in one or two generations--it's an epidemic.

[RedSoxfan1978]

The reason the poor in developing countries work that much harder in NA is mostly because of poor government spending in their home country. You will literally die if you don't get up at the crack of dawn and go to work. Here, there are safety nets and **** if you don't work hard.

I understand that completely. It's just funny that somehow people who are not even here legally manage to get things from our government.

[natypes]

Lol but don't you think there's a reason for their behaviour (notably poverty which doesn't give them any opportunity?)

It's less about money and more about a lack of connections.

No. Scum people don't hold jobs, pay bills, or act with dignity and class and scum people commit crimes. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

[irollurmom]

The entire education system is a joke because it all revolves around lining pockets. It's a whole other topic but k-12 education is a joke and in some ways college is too ( and for the same reason; lining pockets ).


You can't teach someone to care about their future if they have bad values instilled into them by their parents ( if any at all really ). They only want to party, have anonymous sex, do drugs and other degenerate garbage.

With time, values change. I agree that it's hard to change already instilled values, but it's possible.

[r3pme]

and the poor will stay poor.

these people depend on the government for a living rather than working hard/getting an education and providing a better future for themselves and family

[MrNippers]

full potatoe

potatoe

[BloodofDante]

Lol but don't you think there's a reason for their behaviour (notably poverty which doesn't give them any opportunity?)

It's less about money and more about a lack of connections.

Let's be real here bro.

Yes, poor people are victims of circumstances and have less opportunity than most. But let's not pretend they are 100% blameless in their situation either. I live in a poor area (> 40% below poverty line) and these people aint gonna be rich no matter what you do. The type of human being who you find passed out in his yard at 9 in the morning from drinking paint thinner (yes, it happens regularly here) isn't about to move into a corporate job and bring home $60,000 anytime soon. The best these people can hope for is to fraud SS disability and live off that.

What we need is the rule that only people who live in areas that have at least 25% poverty are allowed to make decisions about this stuff. I'm tired of rich people who have never met poor people deciding, "hey, we need more diversity, let's put up that Section 8 block right there." No, how about you put it in your own neighborhood and you let your house get broken into 3 times in 2 years.

Limousine Liberals of peace.

[Vikingblood666]

Affordable housing = section 8 poverty slums?

[irollurmom]

That's a can of worms that I won't touch here for various reasons. There are considerable cultural differences between poor and middle class families that either tend to perpetuate success or teach crime. Call me a racist; I'm not...at all. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of studies on these issues; I encourage you to look into them to find the truths for yourself because they are galvanizing. It's not as simple as saying, "Family A, if given (x) dollars and access to (y) things will lead to (z)." The breadth of the problem is breathtaking and won't be solved in one or two generations--it's an epidemic.

I have researched the subject and found the one commonality among them: hopelessness. Hopeless that their current economic situation will not get better with regular work, but with crime that will bring them hearty rewards if done properly. The overall cultural influence to succeed is the same in both types of neighborhoods, but the means can be much different (or the same, depending on where you look).

But I agree that the only way to end the cycle of poverty is to first educate with care.

[NoodleLegs]

I went to elemantary school in the #1 worst school in the state of Ohio. My mom stayed at home to raise me and my sister and my dad worked 7 days a week 14-16 hours a day on the family farm for less than minimum wage.

I now have a master's degree in engineering and have a good job and am almost finished paying off my school only 2 years after graduating with 6 years worth of loans.

Did the government give me a big lump of money or benefits to put me on an equal playing field with the "rich kids"? No! My mom and dad taught me how to be my own man and work my a$$ off to get where I want to be.

Having something handed to me wouldn't have made me as hungry. It wouldn't have made me work so hard. I wouldn't be nearly as successful today as I am if somebody had just bailed me out. Trying to level the playing field just cripples those who you are "helping". It's a heck of a tactic to secure a slaves for your system though that's for sure.

This is the underlying story-arc that so many low-income families ignore now. The typical American success story was through good values, sacrifice and a little bit of fortune. Though fortune is a Woman and she is only kept by the bold. So many think that they're entitled to this or entitled to that but when asked why, their answers only speak of greed and envy. Great story, bro!

[FlyingGrenades]

Let's be real here bro.

Yes, poor people are victims of circumstances and have less opportunity than most. But let's not pretend they are 100% blameless in their situation either. I live in a poor area (> 40% below poverty line) and these people aint gonna be rich no matter what you do. The type of human being who you find passed out in his yard at 9 in the morning from drinking paint thinner (yes, it happens regularly here) isn't about to move into a corporate job and bring home $60,000 anytime soon. The best these people can hope for is to fraud SS disability and live off that.

What we need is the rule that only people who live in areas that have at least 25% poverty are allowed to make decisions about this stuff. I'm tired of rich people who have never met poor people deciding, "hey, we need more diversity, let's put up that Section 8 block right by the only 3 nice houses in Aliceville."

Limousine Liberals of peace.

You can't blame being poor in America on ANYONE but yourself except for these reasons:

Born into it ( you can't play this card for ever )
fresh immigrant
having a real disability

This is America. The land of oppertunity. Only in capitalism can you go from being dirt poor to an incredibly rich tycoon.

What someone SHOULD do if they are poor is work whatever job they have and earn money to learn a trade.