Amentoflavone

[xLGx]

For purposes of muscular strength (increase in Ca2+ release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum), is acute dosing before training more practical, or does ED dosing provide cumulative benefits that is worth the cost-benefit?

[jdmoe37]

If it works like caffeine in releasing Ca2+ one would assume it would be most beneficial taken pwo. I have no idea how long it takes to reach full effect after a single dose, however.

Amentoflavone, like caffeine, caused a concentration-dependent increase in Ca2+ release from the heavy fraction of fragmented sarcoplasmic reticulum of rabbit skeletal muscle. The Ca2+ -releasing activity of amentoflavone was approximately 20 times more potent than that of caffeine. The bell-shaped profile of Ca2+ dependence for amentoflavone was almost the same as that for caffeine. Typical blockers of Ca2+ -induced Ca2+ release channels, such as Mg2+, procaine and ruthenium red, inhibited markedly amentoflavone- and caffeine-induced 45Ca2+ release. The maximum 45Ca2+ release in response to amentoflavone was not changed by caffeine, but was further increased by adenosine-5'-(beta,gamma-methylene) triphosphate. This compound enhanced [3H]ryanodine binding to the heavy fraction of fragmented sarcoplasmic reticulum with a decrease in K(D) but without a change in Bmax. These results suggest that amentoflavone, which does not contain a nitrogen atom, probably binds to the caffeine-binding site in Ca2+ channels and thus potentiates Ca2+ -induced Ca2+ release from the heavy fraction of fragmented sarcoplasmic reticulum.

[xLGx]

Just read Coop's breakdown over at AM. I wish he'd post cool stuff like that here.

[Nyrin]

Alright, amentoflavone sounds pretty amazing--why isn't it in more products?

[xLGx]

Alright, amentoflavone sounds pretty amazing--why isn't it in more products?

It'll become more mainstream now.

[TMac26]

Alright, amentoflavone sounds pretty amazing--why isn't it in more products?

New novel ingredients take time to catch on.



Agamatine was in Blueprint by MAN for years before it took off

[DasBiceps]

will be buying bulk soon. What is the dosing for it?


Edit: Nevermind found it. 2 caps 15 min pre.

[UncleWade]

As has been mentioned, I asked Coop last night and he suggested 2 caps, preworkout only.

[xLGx]

As has been mentioned, I asked Coop last night and he suggested 2 caps, preworkout only.

Good deal. I'll add a cap to Katana.

[cumminslifter]

will be buying bulk soon. What is the dosing for it?


Edit: Nevermind found it. 2 caps 15 min pre.

what mg?

[xLGx]

what mg?

400mg Selaginella Tamariscina @ a 20% amentoflavone extract (80mg).

[UncleWade]

what mg?

200mg/cap at a 20% extract, IIRC.

[DasBiceps]

what mg?

1 cap:
Selaginella Tamariscina (whole plant) Extract (20% Amentoflavone) 200 mg

So 400mg


EDIT: wizards above

[cumminslifter]

thanks fellas^

[eatyourspinach]

In this thread are the people that can say "I used amentoflavone before it was popular" when it gets added to everything like betaine is now.

[Jeff the Repper]

Uncut

Say thanks Dirk.

[cumminslifter]

In this thread are the people that can say "I used amentoflavone before it was popular" when it gets added to everything like betaine is now.

true, i used betaine about 3 years back before anyone knew about it. read about it in a muscle mag. cant say i noticed much but would love to try it again

[Mr.Cooper69]

For purposes of muscular strength (increase in Ca2+ release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum), is acute dosing before training more practical, or does ED dosing provide cumulative benefits that is worth the cost-benefit?

Dose it preworkout for your goals. I use it everyday but I'm also after its effects with respect to insulin and PDE (which works well with forskolin)

[Mr.Cooper69]

Uncut

Say thanks Dirk.

Neuron was the one who brought it to the forefront, all credit goes to him. Dirk did make a good product though, I love me some uncut

[Veznor]

App Nut is putting amentoflavone to pretty good use.
Uncut is top notch pre-workout and i'm dying to try that Beta Test.

[Younglifter16]

best taken pre workout on training days, but pre carb meal on an off day is also a smart move

[NEBinAK]

Uncut

Say thanks Dirk.

Came in to say uncut

[VicMackey92]

for strength amentoflavone everyday or just on training day ?

[Quadzilla99]

neuron used to have a great writeup of this on his blog but he took it down for whatever reason

[Jeff the Repper]

Neuron was the one who brought it to the forefront, all credit goes to him. Dirk did make a good product though, I love me some uncut

I must have missed Neuron's articles, I'll see what I can go back and find. Was there a product released prior to Uncut that got by me?

[Terrimonas]

I must have missed Neuron's articles, I'll see what I can go back and find. Was there a product released prior to Uncut that got by me?

AN was far from the first to use it in a product. It was in NexCare's Rev-XP back in the early/mid 2000's. Even AAEFX had in it a product before AN.

neuron's blog entry http://hightowerpharmacology.blogspo...toflavone.html

[VicMackey92]

Hey I have just receiv my amentomax & peak beta

A few questions :

- Can I take amentomax & peak beta together ? 30 min pre workout for both ?
- When I take 1 cap of Uncut ( who have amentoflavone in it ) I need to lower amentomax to one cap or I still take 2 cap ?
- Amentomax have any problem with some ingredients ?


thanx a lot!

[Mr.Cooper69]

Yes
1 or 2 will work in that case, whereas I'd always do 2 if solo
Nope

[VicMackey92]

Yes
1 or 2 will work in that case, whereas I'd always do 2 if solo
Nope

thanx! Can be taking with food ? I take my pre workout meal 30min before working out.

[Mr.Cooper69]

thanx! Can be taking with food ? I take my pre workout meal 30min before working out.

Absolutely, it is great with food or preworkout...best 2 ways to take it