The end of Affirmiative Action

[ontclone]

Why can't we admit that Asians are generally smarter than blacks? And that blacks are genetically better at sports and physical activity? By the way if AA was gone, white people wouldn't even be in these top tier schools, it would be like 80 percent Asian lol

[JustSaiyanBro]

I don't have an opinion in this matter either way but any response to this article?

We already discussed this last page

if AA was gone, white people wouldn't even be in these top tier schools, it would be like 80 percent Asian lol

Good. Let Asians be 80% if they are the best candidates....

[FreeRadicals]

We already discussed this last page



Good. Let Asians be 80% if they are the best candidates....

So, do all the white people ITT that hate AA because they for whatever reason really love meritocracy, even if it effects their race negatively. Or are they just rustled because it helps blacks.

I live in Canada, we don't have AA; so I don't really care either way to be honest. But it confuses me as to why everyone is so rustled by this?

[DevilMayRage]

You do realize in this country white people have had Affirmative action since the start of this nation; now that's racist . Smh at you're ignorance

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[Hesher]

So, do all the white people ITT that hate AA because they for whatever reason really love meritocracy, even if it effects their race negatively. Or are they just rustled because it helps blacks.

It's because it's a bunch of BS.

Two options here: 1) keep affirmative action, and the people that benefit from it can stop whining OR 2) get rid of affirmative action, and let's see who has the will to make it.

[JustSaiyanBro]

Or are they just rustled because it helps blacks.

It does not help blacks, read page before this...

[ocill88]

Why can't we admit that Asians are generally smarter than blacks? And that blacks are genetically better at sports and physical activity? By the way if AA was gone, white people wouldn't even be in these top tier schools, it would be like 80 percent Asian lol

That first line is sad read why would you believe that don't you have some pride in you're abilities and you're people's ? Assuming you are black (looks like it)

[ocill88]

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Figures a eagles fan would be blind in this matter

[ontclone]

You obv delusional if you don't think genetically, Asians are smarter and that blacks are more physically gifted... Stop acting like genetics doesn't determine how smart, fast and strong someone is.

[Mavex]

Even if AA is abolished, colleges will likely give poor students of all races a boost (which is fair imo). However, I doubt colleges would allow the majority of their student bodies to become predominantly asian. Thus, AA would still in a way exist to an extent, though it would only serve to place a cap on the # of asians admitted.

[ocill88]

You obv delusional if you don't think genetically, Asians are smarter and that blacks are more physically gifted... Stop acting like genetics doesn't determine how smart, fast and strong someone is.

I don't agree with that statement at all don't see how anyone could . Genetics help yes but it's not a matter of ethnicity that determines if you will be athletic . Hard work > athletic ability

[KnockoutXX]

Affirmative action isnt for black males anymore


but what do I care I aced the SAT anyways.



Its for women in tech now srs

[KnockoutXX]

Good. Let Asians be 80% if they are the best candidates....

What if asians were better at School in and of itself, and blacks/whites were better at applying their schooling?


just a thought.

[Hesher]

I don't agree with that statement at all don't see how anyone could . Genetics help yes but it's not a matter of ethnicity that determines if you will be athletic . Hard work > athletic ability

I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Unless you're talking about performance enhancing drugs, genetics are HUGE in terms of influencing your athletic ability, as well as your ultimate intellectual abilities and your talents in other areas.

You've probably never been in a situation where things come easily to you while others struggle, but it's very real. I achieved better grades than people that actually did the work because I came into situations with the deck stacked in my favor in the intelligence department. Aside from practicing spelling and my multiplication tables in the 3rd grade, I never studied until I was almost a senior in college. By the same token, ask me to run a mile to avoid being mauled by a bear, and I'll go ahead and slather myself in barbecue sauce for the bear because it ain't happening.

[Hesher]

What if asians were better at School in and of itself, and blacks/whites were better at applying their schooling?


just a thought.

If that indeed proved the case, then what you'd see was the following:

1) Asians getting into great schools.
2) Whites & Blacks making do with lower ranked schools.
3) Whites & Blacks doing better in the workforce after school
4) Whites & Blacks being able to afford to send their kids to the better schools, since they then become more successful.
5) Asian kids needing scholarships to attend the great schools, and a subsequent reduction in their representation at the higher ranked schools.

[KnockoutXX]

If that indeed proved the case, then what you'd see was the following:

1) Asians getting into great schools.
2) Whites & Blacks making do with lower ranked schools.
3) Whites & Blacks doing better in the workforce after school
4) Whites & Blacks being able to afford to send their kids to the better schools, since they then become more successful.
5) Asian kids needing scholarships to attend the great schools, and a subsequent reduction in their representation at the higher ranked schools.

you wouldnt see 1&2 because, irrespective of AA, universities do still pursue demographic quotas


furthermore, given we currently live in a credentialist society, 5 also wouldnt be true. this type of society also explains why asians tend to push their children into the field of medicine.

[bbsitum]

Good. Let Asians be 80% if they are the best candidates....

Yes but only if they are US citizens. US schools for US children. Rather black US citizen in U then some Indian that have absolutely nothing to do with my pocket.

[ThomasBrah]

I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Unless you're talking about performance enhancing drugs, genetics are HUGE in terms of influencing your athletic ability, as well as your ultimate intellectual abilities and your talents in other areas.

You've probably never been in a situation where things come easily to you while others struggle, but it's very real. I achieved better grades than people that actually did the work because I came into situations with the deck stacked in my favor in the intelligence department. Aside from practicing spelling and my multiplication tables in the 3rd grade, I never studied until I was almost a senior in college. By the same token, ask me to run a mile to avoid being mauled by a bear, and I'll go ahead and slather myself in barbecue sauce for the bear because it ain't happening.

I think people take these things too far^^

Of course genetics play a role but it doesn't mean you can get *decent* at whatever you're doing. Whether it's running a mile or getting a certain GPA in college.

Sure there are limitations like not everyone can become a doctor..

[YasiinBey]

You obv delusional if you don't think genetically, Asians are smarter and that blacks are more physically gifted... Stop acting like genetics doesn't determine how smart, fast and strong someone is.

you are basing this on academia right? if so i can rightfully say i'm probably smarter than 80% of misc.

also ingenuity and innovation is not a direct correlation to intelligence if it were asians would be chitting out new inventions, if you studied 24/7 like they do, you probably would be chitting on the entire class seeing that the general populace is lazy as chit when it comes to academics.

Affirmative action isnt for black males anymore


but what do I care I aced the SAT anyways.



Its for women in tech now srs

this guy gets it

[Centrelinkbrah]

Why can't we admit that Asians are generally smarter than blacks? And that blacks are genetically better at sports and physical activity? By the way if AA was gone, white people wouldn't even be in these top tier schools, it would be like 80 percent Asian lol

Because neither are true. Asians see education a way out of poverty while blacks see sports a way out of poverty.

[philipadingra]

I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Unless you're talking about performance enhancing drugs, genetics are HUGE in terms of influencing your athletic ability, as well as your ultimate intellectual abilities and your talents in other areas.

You've probably never been in a situation where things come easily to you while others struggle, but it's very real. I achieved better grades than people that actually did the work because I came into situations with the deck stacked in my favor in the intelligence department. Aside from practicing spelling and my multiplication tables in the 3rd grade, I never studied until I was almost a senior in college. By the same token, ask me to run a mile to avoid being mauled by a bear, and I'll go ahead and slather myself in barbecue sauce for the bear because it ain't happening.

I slightly agree with the above...

but repped because of the bear lulz

[incomingbrOMS]

didn't read the article, just skimmed it, but it looks like the author is making a case for a zero sum game argument in regards to affirmative action. the author is correct if the game is only played one period, but in reality it isn't. this is a game that will continue indefinitely into the future and so we have to take into account the costs of inequality over time. certain minority groups in this country were heavily discriminated against in the past and as a result they do not have the same type of opportunities that whites have due to not developing the same type of cultural infrastructure as whites, (i.e. cultural emphasis placed on education, entrepreneurship, etc.) so many minorities are truly at a disadvantage from birth, just because of the environment they are brought up in.

over time this persistent inequality between racial groups creates distinct cultures which can lead to some seriously negative outcomes, given the overall tendency for people not to deviate from the cultural group they were brought up in, not to mention the loss of human capital from people who never reach their full potential due to the constraints of their cultural group.

in principle, i don't like the idea of affirmative action, but i can't really think of a less painful way to deal with this inequality. yes, some whites/asians are going to get shafted due to admitting blacks and hispanics with lower SAT scores, but education is the single best way to alleviate this inequality across racial groups in society, and to assimilate minorities into the greater part of society as a whole.

whether you support or are against affirmative action, using the idea of a single period zero sum game to describe the effects of affirmative action, which is very common, is just plain wrong. you have to take into account the long term effects of this policy on all groups involved.

Strong post.

imo AA should only exist for undergraduate education based on socioeconomic standards. It isn't surprising that kids of any race coming out of the hood would have lower SAT scores than kids of any race raised in the upper middle class. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll be any less successful in college. For every poor kid who is failing in college because he can't hack it academically, there is an upper middle class kid who if failing in college because he is drinking/smoking himself into a stupor. Both groups should get the same chance.

The only person who ever kept me from missing out on an acceptance to any school, undergrad or medical, was me. There's a little personal responsibility for you so savor it misc.

[philipadingra]

I know enough people of any given race to understand that individuals are where they are in society because of their own choices

Repped...This x100, could not have said it better myself.

What's with the beard? You keeping for the summer too?

[dark-m]

asians put more emphasis on education and have a higher representation there

blacks put more emphasis on sports (at least in the US) and have a higher representation there

whites do both and are represented in both

you are what you do, respect individual focus

[WrinklyGrandma]

I just read the entire thread.
Ocill88 has to be the dumbest person on this forum.
Seriously, post a research paper you've written in college. I'm sure it would give everyone a good laugh.

[yackbrah]

When will you affirmative action/welfare/government needs to take care of me me me *******s ever learn that money is the main cause of division in a society.
We all slaves of $$$, and no race are exempted.

[codyw912]

I just read the entire thread.
Ocill88 has to be the dumbest person on this forum.
Seriously, post a research paper you've written in college. I'm sure it would give everyone a good laugh.

I've read the whole thing, trying desperately to give him the benefit of the doubt. Post after post, he made himself seem unintelligent and incapable of forming rational responses. This has actually be one of the better threads I've read on the misc, some people with great input. Truthfully, I haven't dug into this issue much, but it is certainly interesting. I don't think that the current system of AA is the correct way to fix the issue. There should be less emphasis on race/gender, it isn't right to give handouts because of these factors.

@Ocill88, for the love of god, if YOU'RE (as in you are) going to try to argue a point, try to do so with some intelligence. It's one thing to slack off on grammar and general structure when you're in a thread about sloots, but if you're going to try to discuss an issue such as this, no one will take you serious.

[yackbrah]

One group kept their culture, the other was robbed of theirs and was forced into a culture where education wasnt prevalent.

I just can't believe some of you phucking idiots who are saying this... Do u even Africa?
Being born in the U.S with legal documents puts you in the top 10% of the world population in terms of living standards by default.
Have some pride in this country and don't ever think that Africans are better off than African Americans ever again.
Past is the past you *******. Ask any African in Africa right now whether they would choose to continue to live in Africa or immigrate to the U.S and I think u know the answer.

[philipadingra]

If you guys have learned anything from this thread (supporting or opposing views), I encourage you to rep the poster(s) that have influenced your views on this topic.

I initially started this thread without the single clue that it would turn out to be a very informative thread. The law has passed and it will slowly bring the end of Affirmative Action as we know it.

Thank you all for your opinions and views

[bluegold04]

I just can't believe some of you phucking idiots who are saying this... Do u even Africa?
Being born in the U.S with legal documents puts you in the top 10% of the world population in terms of living standards by default.
Have some pride in this country and don't ever think that Africans are better off than African Americans ever again.
Past is the past you *******. Ask any African in Africa right now whether they would choose to continue to live in Africa or immigrate to the U.S and I think u know the answer.

Can confirm. Lived next to a guy who regularly traveled to Kenya to visit the family he financially supported year-round. Last fall, the patriarch of the family was allowed a Visa to come to the States with said neighbor. As an interesting aside, the Kenyan is a competitive bodybuilder, and has won quite a few competitions here.

Anyhow, the Kenyan was not allowed to officially work here. But, he may or may not have done jobs for cash... I asked him what he was hoping to accomplish by being here. "I have to get into the system. Once I get a work Visa, the best I can hope for is to work here for 10 years or so. Then I can go back to my family." Guy made <$100 a month in Kenya as a reputable mechanic.

He is a really cool guy. Spoke at least 4 languages, that I know of. Solid human. He was fascinated with much of our culture, one thing being our garage sales. lol