I don't think it's odd at all that we haven't seen additional data using other training protocols yet. This could be due to one of the following:
1) The original study was damn expensive even if you looked at just the amount of bloodwork that was being done.
2) If there is a study that is currently or had been conducted by Wilson using a modified protocol, until it gets reviewed and published, they can't release any of the information yet or else the study will not get published in a journal.
Looking forward to seeing how it works out for you! I've only asked about if there are anybody running the protocol without using clear muscle so that we can have some sort of idea between recovery with vs without Clear Muscle. Going by just the sponsored logs or logs of people using the product and doing the protocol at the same time will basically yield not a single damn person knowing how the product is affecting recovery. So it's only logical for people like you and myself whom are running the product whilst using training protocols which we are very familiar with (because you and I understand what our usual recovery is like with our current training), just that basing everything on my own experience is basically a n=1 scenario :P
Keep us updated brother!
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05-23-2014, 11:08 AM #871
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"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-23-2014, 12:36 PM #872
Oh yeah, didn't really think about that who was gonna pay for it!
Yea sure thing, I've not really had much of a leap in gains for years, if all of a sudden I start getting any improvements it would be a pretty good indicator that the clear muscle was improving recovery and that's what I'm expecting, I honestly can't see me gaining "16lb of muscle in 12 weeks"!!!!!
I will also add I've had an insanely brutal few weeks at work, so actually feeling pretty phucked as it is.
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05-23-2014, 01:03 PM #873
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I have been dosing 2 caps before I head out for my lunch break. Reasoning being I take long ass walks for lunch. 60 nyc blocks long. So I usually work my legs a lot during the week, that's my little experiment on if it will reduce some legs fatigue dosed like that. Usually days after or on leg days, these lunch breaks typically does introduce extra legs fatigue (for some reason they sometimes tax my traps as well, don't know how that works, must be my posture).
Completed Logs & Reviews:
Clear Muscle Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161906833&p=1244983053#post1244983053
"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-23-2014, 02:18 PM #874
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05-23-2014, 02:40 PM #875
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Hard to tell with all the new loggers being on a training protocol completely new to them, so I don't know how they can gauge improved recovery (which is essentially what the HMB provides) because they don't have knowledge of how recovery plays out with that protocol without HMB.
Your best bet is to see what people experience from it running their own program. I've noticed less fatigue personally but it's too early to give the credit to Clear Muscle at this point. So give it some time as the product gets into more peoples hands and see how recovery trends for them.Completed Logs & Reviews:
Clear Muscle Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161906833&p=1244983053#post1244983053
"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-23-2014, 02:57 PM #876
This is prob a Lil bit of broscience but I've always felt that getting to sleep easily and staying asleep and morning wood/random boners and basically being hornier than a dog with two dicks were pretty good indicators of being recovered.
(Again this is from personal experience mixed with broscience!)
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05-23-2014, 07:24 PM #877
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05-24-2014, 06:14 PM #878
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im sure this was asked but there's a lot of pages to search but should this be taken with food at all? And do we need to be on the same training regiment as the participants in the study were on to see the effects? Dont get me wrong, the training regiment looks good and I will be following it throughout taking clear muscle but if the supplement only works (eg. you only see results) with this specified program then I feel it has failed. IMO, I feel (hope) that this program will bring out the max potential of this product but doing a less intense workout will still yield results but not the results of "16lbs in 12 weeks"
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05-24-2014, 06:21 PM #879
Cant wait to see the final results from this promo, very excited to try Clear Muscle when it comes out!
"It ain't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward..."
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05-24-2014, 06:32 PM #880
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05-24-2014, 06:43 PM #881
here's my question: normally, the most muscle you can build naturally in a 4 month time span is 8lbs, and that's at the fast end of the scale for muscle growth. So when lean bulking, you traditionally aim for a .5-1lb gain/week. However, since clear muscle claims to be able to add 16lbs of lean mass in the same time span, then is the .5-1 still applicable?
Muscletech Cooking Threads: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158893393
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158896843
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05-24-2014, 06:56 PM #882
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"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-24-2014, 06:58 PM #883
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05-25-2014, 11:39 AM #884
Anywhere I can read the full study? I've only found the website which has a lot of details of the results. But is there an actual published journal article or something? With things like number of participants, exact differences between the experimental and control groups (i.e. whether it was really only just the pill), whether there were any other physiological or anthropometric results aside from weight and 1RMs, etc.
Read from here http://international.muscletech.com/.../clear-muscle/
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05-25-2014, 11:43 AM #885
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05-25-2014, 12:20 PM #886
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This guy.
For the traning routine, I will ask corp this week why it's different in the magazine.
As for now you follow the training routine on the website.
(next time if you have a pressing question, Pm a rep or myself..)
We can't follow every single response in every thread always.Kick.com/beetoxic
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05-25-2014, 12:30 PM #887
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05-25-2014, 02:34 PM #888
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"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-25-2014, 07:19 PM #889
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05-26-2014, 05:10 AM #891
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"Now that you've got a basic degree of strength you can now proceed with success onto a bodybuilding type program - which I am not experienced in providing. You've exceeded what I focus on, and that is beginner strength gains." - Mark Rippetoe
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05-26-2014, 06:57 AM #892
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whats up guys I am logging it too if anyone wants to check out my log, doing a mixture of posts and video logs
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=162076951Logs: none currently
previous sponsored logs and reviews can be seen here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158128363
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05-26-2014, 08:53 AM #893
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05-26-2014, 12:06 PM #894
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Hey guys I haven't been getting a lot of feedback on my log, but please check it out!
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1246787293
any comments, criticisms, advice is welcome. I am open ears!!iSatori Gro-Stack Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=166413961&pagenumber=
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05-26-2014, 12:31 PM #895The Journey (PL log) - /showthread.php?t=167321531
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Best Lifts - S: 375/170 B: 225/102 D: 465/210
Last Meet - S: 375/170 B: 210/95.5 D: 441/200 @ 145bw 10/22/16
First Meet - S: 347/157.5 B: 204/92.5 D: 441/200 @ 145bw 11/07/15
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05-26-2014, 01:31 PM #896
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05-26-2014, 08:14 PM #897
Thanks guys. I'll post my first log tomorrow. I'm new to this site (like being active) and just updated my profile with new pics and everything. I'm using Clear Muscle more for its recovery. I'm following my own training regimen because it's more intense. I train twice a day (2-3 hours weight session in the morning, evening is cardio). In Oct I weighed 143 lbs, and built up to 181 lbs currently. I've been using Clear Muscle since 5-23, and posted a review on it what I think of it so far. I'm new to using this site so sorry for any rookie mistakes lol
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