Is there really people that grows muscle faster than others to a noticeable point

[dnk7777]

I am talking about natural genetic wise.


Take between someone who grows muscle a little faster than others, and someone who grows muscle a little slower than others,

Is there a real difference in that if they work out the same intensity in a year one would be that much more different than the other?

[djflex]

Yes, of course. Everyone is different

[clive]

Yes, of course. Everyone is different

I agree to a degree, I think it's more the amount of effort you're prepared to put into it.

[Karl_Hungus]

I agree to a degree, I think it's more the amount of effort you're prepared to put into it.

Two people can put in the same effort and have vastly different results ... That is genetics at work.

[ShreddySmurf]

Indeed. Genetics is a major factor in how your body responds to training, some people are simply fortunate enough to be able to pack on muscle incredibly quickly. Of course, they still need to put in the time, albeit less time for more gains than those without similar genetic advantages.

This is one of the main reasons why it's important to view other peoples' training programs and results with a healthy dose of reality: it can be useful to adapt certain ideas for your own training programs, but you may not see the same sorts of results that they do (or within the same time frame). We all know the factors: how you train, what you eat, when you rest etc. but the genetic template is there underpinning it all, and it's the one thing you simply can't "see" (for now).

[OutOfStep]

Wow.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Wow.

Pretty much says it all

/thread

[accounts]

Two people can put in the same effort and have vastly different results ... That is genetics at work.

Gonna disagree on "vastly". People on here most likely have their programming and nutrition in line which is, I think, a pretty high level of commitment. Most of the guys at the gym I talk to who spin their wheels/ do their homework without turning it in/ etc, think they are working hard but they really aren't. They have no clue. Its like people who say, "you can eat whatever you want and look like that!" Uh no you just dont see what I eat the rest of the day.

Genetics is a factor, but its not the only one and no one can say what is the most important. Everyone I know who follows a diet and a decent plan has a physique well above average. (not misc avg.)

[wadboram]

Commitment to good nutrition, sleep and training make different results. You will always see guys in the gym lifting more than others and they are smaller with no considerable muscles.

[ajdahlheimer]

Genetics is a factor, but its not the only one and no one can say what is the most important. Everyone I know who follows a diet and a decent plan has a physique well above average. (not misc avg.)

I think genetics if more of a factor for size. For example, if you naturally have wide shoulders or a very broad chest. You can get bigger than a guy who doesn't have that natural frame.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

You can train as hard as you want but you can't out train your genetic potential... not without 'assistance'.

Comparing folks in the gym is pretty worthless because you have no clue who is and who isn't using some kind of training aid.

Just train and try to be better each time out and forget about the rest of the lugheads.

[AAOBob]

Comparing folks in the gym is pretty worthless because you have no clue who is and who isn't using some kind of training aid.

This, and age and genetics all add up to potentially different.

The hard part for so many people in life to realize that in something like this, unless you are actually competing in PL or BB, you are not in competition with anyone but yourself. Even real competitors are not in competition with anyone but themselves. Its not like you can actively out think or block your opponent so they fail, you just gotta do your own personal best.

[steffo99]

As with many other things I would assume some sort of bell curve distribution here as well.

[DuracellBunny]

You can argue that their focus/determination/willpower is genetically determined too, so it becomes synergistic.

[scullin]

Yes, of course. Everyone is different

This^ My own brother is much bigger than me and barely even lifts. He's just always been like that.

[bigtallox]

I am talking about natural genetic wise.


Take between someone who grows muscle a little faster than others, and someone who grows muscle a little slower than others,

Is there a real difference in that if they work out the same intensity in a year one would be that much more different than the other?

Hmm, think about it this way... What are the odds that EVERYBODY is exactly the same?.... Zero, nada, there is no way everybody is exactly the same, THUS... Of course there are people who build muscle faster than other people. Of course, no doubt. Just like there are people who understand math better than other people. Ditto for just about everything. Sorry I know our big corrupt government tells us we're all the same, but it's not true we are not.

Have a good day.

[OutOfStep]

Is this that thread where we claim to have overcome our genetics by working hard?

[dave76262]

Three teens just started training at my gym. One is a natural easy gainer and in a few weeks has gained about 10 lbs of muscle/ One of his training buddies in pipe cleaner thin and is getting stronger but no muscle growth is showing. The third is doing okay but discouraged by the natural's faster results.

Oddly from past observations, I would bet the natural quits quits because it is so easy for him that he does not appreciate his genetics while the other two will plug along.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Is this that thread where we claim to have overcome our genetics by working hard?

Well I have haven't you?

[mslman71]

Is this that thread where we claim to have overcome our genetics by working hard?

No, I think this is the thread where we stop trying because we've convinced ourselves we are limited by our genetics, and have long since reached that limit.

[WillBrink]

I am talking about natural genetic wise.


Take between someone who grows muscle a little faster than others, and someone who grows muscle a little slower than others,

Is there a real difference in that if they work out the same intensity in a year one would be that much more different than the other?

Of course. Genetics rules all. There's a small % of people who are non responders, most who are "average" responders, and a small % who are super responders. That's dictated mostly by genetics.

[jaeburd]

Indeed. Genetics is a major factor in how your body responds to training, some people are simply fortunate enough to be able to pack on muscle incredibly quickly. Of course, they still need to put in the time, albeit less time for more gains than those without similar genetic advantages.

This is one of the main reasons why it's important to view other peoples' training programs and results with a healthy dose of reality: it can be useful to adapt certain ideas for your own training programs, but you may not see the same sorts of results that they do (or within the same time frame). We all know the factors: how you train, what you eat, when you rest etc. but the genetic template is there underpinning it all, and it's the one thing you simply can't "see" (for now).

Word.

[EjnarKolinkar]

Hard work fixing everything? Basically you tell everyone that isn't huge that they aren't working hard enough with that statement.

Genetics is simply reality, nothing to get upset about, we will respond how we do.

Can't stop you from enjoying training though.

[bodyhard]

Wow.

I second this...

[VmissileX]

I think genetics do play a role, but most people will either:
-Understimate how much of a role
-Overestimate how much of a role (most in this category).

Hard work > genetics and hard work can make any body structure shine.


Some people respond faster, but the harder responders just gotta work more! Nothin more to it.

[OutOfStep]

I think genetics do play a role, but most people will either:
-Understimate how much of a role
-Overestimate how much of a role (most in this category).

Hard work > genetics and hard work can make any body structure shine.


Some people respond faster, but the harder responders just gotta work more! Nothin more to it.

Oh good, the geneticist is here to explain how this all works to us.

[michail71]

I believe genetic markers have been found that identify individuals having propensities to either type 1 or type 2 muscle fibers. Having the type 2 genes is actually a hindrance in endurance sports.

[Marius_Ursus]

Yes, of course. Everyone is different

I'm not.

[naturalguy]

Genetics is the biggest factor. You can train harder than Jay Cutler and even be more dedicated than him, that doesn't mean you'll look anything like him.

[Tmax55]

No definately not naturally occuring T levels have no impact on muscle development, which is why women should not train hard or they run the risk of looking like Ronnie Coleman, purely by accident.