Should I try and gain muscle while cutting for the full 9 months, or should I cut for 6 months and begin bulking for 3?
Useful Information.........I have 5+ years of proper lifting experience.
I have a hard 9 month deadline, I'm trying to go to boot in January.
Assume I'm not an idiot.. I'm looking for opinions, educated or otherwise.
THANK YOU
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04-09-2014, 04:34 PM #1
Gaining Muscle While Cutting (9 Month Time Frame) **experienced lifter**
Last edited by BrocKelley; 04-09-2014 at 04:44 PM.
March 23: 315
March 30: 310
April 6: 305
April 13: 303
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November 1:Goal 220 @10%
Your best? Losers always complain about their best. Winners go home and F*** the prom queen.
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I've gained and lost 350 lbs over the last 4 years.. stretch marks from my waist to my armpit..it's not aesthetic at all..but I am strong as hell from taking advantage of that...7 point skin fold tests have an error of +/- 3% though so
I could be anywhere from just under 200 lbs of muscle to just under 220 lbs. I'll post some pics after I get below 15%.. should be within the next 4 months (hopefully :P) this time I hope to keep it all for a while.March 23: 315
March 30: 310
April 6: 305
April 13: 303
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November 1:Goal 220 @10%
Your best? Losers always complain about their best. Winners go home and F*** the prom queen.
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04-09-2014, 07:38 PM #6
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Getting below 15% 4 months? That's a super lofty goal if I've ever heard one.
I'm not sure how you calculated your bf% it's almost 100% sure it's off. And maybe by a lot. At 5'10" you are clinically morbidly obese. How much do you expect to have to weigh to get under 15%?
You should really think your goals through better.
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04-09-2014, 07:38 PM #7
It was so hard getting this much muscle.. would properly placed keto diets and starved LIIT in between large macro days for heavy lifting work do you think?
And, thanks for the compliment but I'd rather be a skinny little dude with no stretch marks, gynecomastia, and a larger ego than this "beast"..it'd also help for boot camp, I'm gonna sink like a rock in that pool lolLast edited by BrocKelley; 04-09-2014 at 07:41 PM.
March 23: 315
March 30: 310
April 6: 305
April 13: 303
April 20:?
April 27:?
May 4:?
May 11:?
May 18:?
May 25:?
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November 1:Goal 220 @10%
Your best? Losers always complain about their best. Winners go home and F*** the prom queen.
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04-09-2014, 07:40 PM #8
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04-09-2014, 07:58 PM #9
Yeah, you're right 5 months not 4.
caloric deficit of 1000-1100 per day will get me 42-50 lbs down in 5 months which will have me at 263-255 lbs around 18.5%-16% so yes it is lofty to do in 5 months..but it's easier (for me) to lose fat while I'm still fat so for the first 5 months it's feasible given my commitment.
Do you have any tips though for maintaining muscle during a cut?March 23: 315
March 30: 310
April 6: 305
April 13: 303
April 20:?
April 27:?
May 4:?
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May 18:?
May 25:?
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November 1:Goal 220 @10%
Your best? Losers always complain about their best. Winners go home and F*** the prom queen.
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04-09-2014, 08:15 PM #11
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you are probably sitting very close to your genetic limit.
While there is some research showing that on a slow cut with proper macros one can gain muscle mass while loosing fat even up to the most trained athletes, this is with a low probability and may not be the case for you.
I think you should just cut, preserve strength and take it with time.
4 months aint gonna be enough,"Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow"
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04-10-2014, 12:28 PM #23
Absolute best case scenario would be 12% bf at ~195lbs.
220lbs, 10% BF is impossible for a natty 5'10". No-one exists with those stats without gear.Sept 1 '12 : 215 ( Cardio Only, Poor Diet )
Aug 19 '13 : 190 ( Start of Proper Lifting & Nutrition )
Oct 28 '13 : 177 ( -13lbs, 10 weeks ) [ Cut 1 ]
Dec 30 '13 : 185 ( +8lbs, 9 weeks ) [ Fail Bulk ]
April 7 '14 : 168 ( -17lbs, 14 weeks ) [ Cut 2 ]
July 7 '14 : 182 ( +14lbs, 13 weeks ) [ Decent Bulk ]
Currently : Cutting
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04-10-2014, 01:39 PM #24
that's a long term goal. . I see no reason why I can't achieve the goal I put in this thread (-80 lbs fat, -10 lbs of muscle)= 215 with 200 lbs of muscle
1200-1400 calorie deficit 6 days of the week for 9 months, with my workouts included in that..it's very feasible. especially since I'm supposed to be eating over 2500 calories a day just to maintain and I'm eating 1400-1600.
Along with that, getting 220+ grams of protein a day, and not being an idiot..I'll probably start using thermogenics once I get below 15%Last edited by BrocKelley; 04-10-2014 at 01:46 PM.
March 23: 315
March 30: 310
April 6: 305
April 13: 303
April 20:?
April 27:?
May 4:?
May 11:?
May 18:?
May 25:?
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November 1:Goal 220 @10%
Your best? Losers always complain about their best. Winners go home and F*** the prom queen.
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