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    Originally Posted by Critter5592 View Post
    I fail to see how they are related to the problem then? I thought ptsd from being deployed was the main cause behind this?
    There is always an agenda.

    The numbers are far too high regardless but they typically don't distinguish between a combat veteran and a veteran. It doesn't make one any worse than the other though. I'm willing to bet the majority had issues prior to their military service, they do what they can to keep those people out but it's not that easy unless they have a documented history of mental illness.

    I knew 5 people that I worked with on a daily basis kill themselves on active duty. Not one had a combat deployment. Countless others attempted suicide while on active duty(combat and non combat experience). My buddy just called me the other day to tell me the wife of our good friend shot herself (dual military) she had been out for 2 years. Gorgeous girl no reason to kill herself but evidently she had some past family issues, I guarantee she is one of those statistics.
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    Originally Posted by Mikelawton View Post
    yea he knows im there to chat with him whenever. i can tell he absolutely hates talking about being in the army though, so i just dont bring it up unless he wants to. he has a wife and 2 kids though so he certainly does have plenty to live for

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    Originally Posted by TXBuddy View Post
    Like any other trauma. It doesn't always equal PTSD.
    Persistent re-occurrence of trauma increases the chances of PTSD.
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    Originally Posted by TXBuddy View Post
    Dies he post about it on ********?
    the suicidal stuff? nah hes never had FB or any social media. he has a smaller group of friends that he just normally talks to. im no psychological expert or anything but just from observation it seems like hes just having a rough time transitioning from being in the army for a while to getting a normal job, but I think he'll be alright
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    Persistent re-occurrence of trauma increases the chances of PTSD.
    Textbook citation or anecdotal?
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    Does everyone come back with post stress disorder?
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    Does everyone come back with post stress disorder?
    They try to.
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    Originally Posted by Mikelawton View Post
    thats pretty bad. i only have 1 friend whos a veteran and he actually jokes about suicide, now im kinda wondering if he seriously thinks about it

    Talk to him before it's too late man.
    I know multiple people who killed themselves after joking about it.
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    Originally Posted by WSG1 View Post
    My grandpa was in the Vietnam war and he never recovered, He died about 8 years ago sleeping in a bush. He drank everyday until he passed out, Couldnt live a normal life. The stories i heard from him were heartbreaking.

    Whenever you see a homeless guy on the street with a sign that says "Vietnam Vet", Give him a dollar because that guy has been through hell and back 10x over.
    Know these feels. My grandpa is drinking himself to death. Thank you Vietnam.
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    Originally Posted by WSG1 View Post
    My grandpa was in the Vietnam war and he never recovered, He died about 8 years ago sleeping in a bush. He drank everyday until he passed out, Couldnt live a normal life. The stories i heard from him were heartbreaking.

    Whenever you see a homeless guy on the street with a sign that says "Vietnam Vet", Give him a dollar because that guy has been through hell and back 10x over.
    Dad was in Vietnam. Drank himself to death daily. Still woke up and went to work and handled his chit. So fuk that bum they get nothing
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    Originally Posted by second2noneBrah View Post
    Dad was in Vietnam. Drank himself to death daily. Still woke up and went to work and handled his chit. So fuk that bum they get nothing
    I have a feeling he used to kick your azz. Is that why you are so mad?

    My uncle got fucjed up by my grandpa many of times.

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    Originally Posted by Creaso View Post
    Talk to him before it's too late man.
    I know multiple people who killed themselves after joking about it.
    yea i dunno how id bring it up but ive told him he wants to talk or chill he can text/call any time really
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    Originally Posted by havoc713 View Post
    Persistent re-occurrence of trauma increases the chances of PTSD.
    I had a patient who had PTSD from loading nuclear weapons in the 60's. He never saw combat. None of his armed bombs were used. But he knew the intensity of what he was doing. Had their been a nuclear war, the world would have died in a nuclear winter and he would be one of the few people that actually did it. Physically, hands on did it. That fuqqed him up.
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    Originally Posted by Mikelawton View Post
    yea i dunno how id bring it up but ive told him he wants to talk or chill he can text/call any time really
    Tell him you're worried about him, reach out to him. If he gas already given up he won't reach out to you.

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    Originally Posted by Creaso View Post
    Tell him you're worried about him, reach out to him. If he gas already given up he won't reach out to you.

    If he does it and you did nothing, it will haunt you bro.
    will do, i think its just akward because i cant really relate. never been in army and ive never felt depressed or suicidal in my life but i will try n talk to him.
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    I am in the Canadian military, we have had about 7-8 suicides in the last 2 months here and the papers and people are loosing their ****. I remind people, man more then double that amount happens in the states every day. Its messed up.
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    100% guaranteed its combat arms (Artillery, Armoured, Combat engineer and Infantry) that make up the brunt of it with Infantry leading.
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    What happens over there thats so bad? Serious question, not trying to be offensive, I just wanna legitimately know what makes these guys wanna kill themselves? I can't help but think a lot are guys who had nothing else in life going for them so they joined the military and once that was over they kind of lost their meaning in life, though I'm sure there are other cases as well.
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    Originally Posted by ModernLifeIsWar View Post
    What happens over there thats so bad? Serious question, not trying to be offensive, I just wanna legitimately know what makes these guys wanna kill themselves? I can't help but think a lot are guys who had nothing else in life going for them so they joined the military and once that was over they kind of lost their meaning in life, though I'm sure there are other cases as well.
    Also interested in this. I'm sure it has to deal with the constant threat of death. Watching their friends die, hearing about others dead/wounded.

    Think what it would feel like to come home and know that you are permanently fuked in the head and some of your best friends are dead and maimed and it was all for nothing.
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    What happens over there thats so bad? Serious question, not trying to be offensive, I just wanna legitimately know what makes these guys wanna kill themselves? I can't help but think a lot are guys who had nothing else in life going for them so they joined the military and once that was over they kind of lost their meaning in life, though I'm sure there are other cases as well.
    I'm not in the military but I've heard A LOT of stories. I'll PM you.
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    Originally Posted by GetGeoff View Post
    100% guaranteed its combat arms (Artillery, Armoured, Combat engineer and Infantry) that make up the brunt of it with Infantry leading.
    Grandpa was 82nd airborne here in the states. PTSD big time

    Other grandpa was tail gunner in air force. No PTSD that I noticed.

    Uncle was marine sniper, he won't even eat meat any more. Scared for life got so many DUIs he is banned from driving for life. PTSD up the azz. Survived in enemy territory for over a month. Just him n his spotter eating raw rats. His spotter died he made it. Think that has a lot to do with it.
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    23 Million Veterans with 1824 dead
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    313M americans with approx. 37,560 suicides a year

    12609:1 v. 8333:1

    If you think the veterans are having a plight, check out the average american.

    This isn't to make light of veteran suicides, its just to put into perspective.

    And of course, if you look at people deployed into dangerous zones, etc. I am sure it will yield some interesting results.
    Reps to LEO and military brahs on sight.
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