Clear Muscle Update

[SuperYou]

The exact training protocol is in the process of being uploaded to the MuscleTech website. Each bottle of Clear Muscle will have a link to that protocol so people can see what the study participants did. I will post a link to the full protocol as soon as it is up.

How about the nutrition logs each participant kept?

[emergency]

How about the nutrition logs each participant kept?

that is part of it as well

[llahhsoj]

Will this be of any use for the average lifter or just people doing ridiculously taxing training like those in the study?

It is more geared for taxing training and a bulking diet. A user still will benefit from a maintenance or cutting diet as well.

[jgd5796]

the average lifter will see some results but nothing to the effect of doing hardcore training

I'm assuming it will repair muscles faster/more effectively; therefore, you have to aggresively tear down your muscles to see the max effects (micro-tears due to training, etc)? Perhaps that same hardcore workout without MC wouldn't lead to the same progress because you would be overtraining your body?

[Dewey99]

I'm assuming it will repair muscles faster/more effectively; therefore, you have to aggresively tear down your muscles to see the max effects (micro-tears due to training, etc)? Perhaps that same hardcore workout without MC wouldn't lead to the same progress because you would be overtraining your body?

This is partially correct. BetaTOR does greatly improve your recovery, but you don't necessarily have to be over-training to see results. Normal gym goers will see results from Clear Muscle as well, but those who train aggressively will get more out of it. The training regimen used in the study was very aggressive and that's how the subjects were able to make the gains they did in such a short time. The placebo group saw gains too, but way less than the BetaTOR group.

[Hyruliangoat]

its not a game changer guys its an INDUSTRY changer

anyways, still very excited to see what it is.

[Marshall28]

This is partially correct. BetaTOR does greatly improve your recovery, but you don't necessarily have to be over-training to see results. Normal gym goers will see results from Clear Muscle as well, but those who train aggressively will get more out of it. The training regimen used in the study was very aggressive and that's how the subjects were able to make the gains they did in such a short time. The placebo group saw gains too, but way less than the BetaTOR group.

Yes there was a clear difference the two groups. Excited to pick this up.

[rakan92]

I was just wondering, I read somewhere that 3 grams of the free acid form equates to 10 grams of the calcium bonded hmb ? would this lead to a similar response or there is a variable of bioavailability that could potentially lead to a difference ? Thanx in advance

[SwolenONE]

Very excited for this one!

[Dewey99]

I was just wondering, I read somewhere that 3 grams of the free acid form equates to 10 grams of the calcium bonded hmb ? would this lead to a similar response or there is a variable of bioavailability that could potentially lead to a difference ? Thanx in advance

It is my understanding that mega-dosing HMB will never give you equal results to taking the HMB-FA. There are a couple reasons why this is true, but bioavailability is a large reason.

[SuperYou]

It is my understanding that mega-dosing HMB will never give you equal results to taking the HMB-FA. There are a couple reasons why this is true, but bioavailability is a large reason.

Leucine should do the same since its proven more effective?

[itzDodge]

Leucine should do the same since its proven more effective?

They don't work exactly the same way
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23551944

Maintenance of skeletal muscle mass is contingent upon the dynamic equilibrium (fasted losses-fed gains) in protein turnover. Of all nutrients, the single amino acid leucine (Leu) possesses the most marked anabolic characteristics in acting as a trigger element for the initiation of protein synthesis. While the mechanisms by which Leu is 'sensed' have been the subject of great scrutiny, as a branched-chain amino acid, Leu can be catabolized within muscle, thus posing the possibility that metabolites of Leu could be involved in mediating the anabolic effect(s) of Leu. Our objective was to measure muscle protein anabolism in response to Leu and its metabolite HMB. Using [1,2-(13)C2]Leu and [(2)H5]phenylalanine tracers, and GC-MS/GC-C-IRMS we studied the effect of HMB or Leu alone on MPS (by tracer incorporation into myofibrils), and for HMB we also measured muscle proteolysis (by arteriovenous (A-V) dilution). Orally consumed 3.42 g free-acid (FA-HMB) HMB (providing 2.42 g of pure HMB) exhibited rapid bioavailability in plasma and muscle and, similarly to 3.42 g Leu, stimulated muscle protein synthesis (MPS; HMB +70% vs. Leu +110%). While HMB and Leu both increased anabolic signalling (mechanistic target of rapamycin; mTOR), this was more pronounced with Leu (i.e. p70S6K1 signalling 90 min vs. 30 min for HMB). HMB consumption also attenuated muscle protein breakdown (MPB; -57%) in an insulin-independent manner. We conclude that exogenous HMB induces acute muscle anabolism (increased MPS and reduced MPB) albeit perhaps via distinct, and/or additional mechanism(s) to Leu.

[DASBUNKER]

So for the samples, how many servings to gouge effects? do i have to be on the verge of rhabdo to benefit from it?

[FsAxis92]

Yes there was a clear difference the two groups. Excited to pick this up.

I see what you did there. :P

[Dewey99]

So for the samples, how many servings to gouge effects? do i have to be on the verge of rhabdo to benefit from it?

Since this is isn't a supplement that you will feel working, I would say 4 weeks would be a good amount of time to see results. Participants in the study (the HMB-FA group) gained an average of 6 lbs. of lean mass in the first four weeks. The training program ramped up as they went, so the first four weeks were not that crazy by normal training standards.

We won't have samples of Clear Muscle, but will offer bottles for a logging promotion and to some of our field testers. The loggers are slated to get a 12 week supply of product.

[itzDodge]

IMO this product will be most beneficial during periods of over reaching or perhaps also in caloric deficits

[SuperYou]

They don't work exactly the same way
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Who said the same?

[SuperYou]

They don't work exactly the same way
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23551944

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23551944

[Dewey99]

IMO this product will be most beneficial during periods of over reaching or perhaps also in caloric deficits

Use on a deficit is potentially appealing, but most people won't be happy spending that much money just to maintain muscle on a cut. I personally would, because you could cut your calories back pretty hard and still maintain lean mass as opposed to the normal cutting cycle where you either have to cut really slow or accept that you will lose hard-earned muscle along with fat if you cut quickly.

[DASBUNKER]

Since this is isn't a supplement that you will feel working, I would say 4 weeks would be a good amount of time to see results. Participants in the study (the HMB-FA group) gained an average of 6 lbs. of lean mass in the first four weeks. The training program ramped up as they went, so the first four weeks were not that crazy by normal training standards.

We won't have samples of Clear Muscle, but will offer bottles for a logging promotion and to some of our field testers. The loggers are slated to get a 12 week supply of product.

Thanks for the answer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23551944

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24302558

[itzDodge]

Use on a deficit is potentially appealing, but most people won't be happy spending that much money just to maintain muscle on a cut. I personally would, because you could cut your calories back pretty hard and still maintain lean mass as opposed to the normal cutting cycle where you either have to cut really slow or accept that you will lose hard-earned muscle along with fat if you cut quickly.

Could be particularly beneficial once you're in the single digits of BF% where losing fat without losing too much muscle becomes a lot more challenging.

[Dewey99]

Could be particularly beneficial once you're in the single digits of BF% where losing fat without losing too much muscle becomes a lot more challenging.

I would think this is where the appeal would lie for women also. Most women aren't looking to add substantial mass, but could benefit from using it on a cut.

[newtothelift]

In the UK atm for my masters program. Will Clear Muscle be available on the Europe bb.com store at the same time as the US one?

[emergency]

In the UK atm for my masters program. Will Clear Muscle be available on the Europe bb.com store at the same time as the US one?

I would say yes but that is really a guess and not something we discussed the other day.

[raydeezy]

pretty excited to see how effective this product will be when cutting

[melaneybh]

I would think this is where the appeal would lie for women also. Most women aren't looking to add substantial mass, but could benefit from using it on a cut.

I completely agree Dewey. I myself am super excited to run clear muscle. So much excitement!

[Mr.Cooper69]

They don't work exactly the same way
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23551944

On the net, it appears to be as effective as leucine (anabolism + anti-catabolism), but leucine's effects persist longer

[head2]

pretty excited to see how effective this product will be when cutting

I wonder if this could be the supplement that makes the bodybuilding myth of gaining muscle while losing fat a reality?

[llahhsoj]

IMO this product will be most beneficial during periods of over reaching or perhaps also in caloric deficits

This product is best used during periods of overreaching and a bulking diet. It does have its benefits when in a caloric deficit though.

[kissdadookie]

Use on a deficit is potentially appealing, but most people won't be happy spending that much money just to maintain muscle on a cut. I personally would, because you could cut your calories back pretty hard and still maintain lean mass as opposed to the normal cutting cycle where you either have to cut really slow or accept that you will lose hard-earned muscle along with fat if you cut quickly.

Detouring a little from the main topic, if you are going to lose a lot of muscle on a cut, that's most probably a really ill-planned cut :P