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    Originally Posted by Protected View Post
    Lool at 6k a day, he would be fat as ****

    Also, look at his arms in the photo, and keep telling me he is natural
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    Originally Posted by Jmann96 View Post
    Metabolism isn't black and white buddy.
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    seriously OP is delusional lol. I think in denial.
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    Originally Posted by xBONExCROWNx View Post
    not true. I can name 4 people (and that's just that go to my gym and im friends with) that have hit 435 natty.

    this is the teen section. 400 pounds seems like a tall mountain youll never reach, but really 400 pounds isn't a great bench in the world of powerlifting. you wont be dropping any jaws benching in the 4's at a meet.

    you silverback, and many of the other teens here have the outlook that "if they're stronger than me and are making progressives moves in the world of weightlifting they must be on something"

    im not saying he is on something, and im not saying he isn't. because I don't know. but 435 is very possible natty. 500 is even possible natty. I never took anything until after I hit my first 500.

    He said he's 195. 435 bench at 195 pounds is very very impressive.
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    Originally Posted by Silverback1996 View Post
    i dont believe you that you hit 500lbs on bench natty.
    also, i dont have the idea that just cus someone is stronger than me then they aren't natty. all i said is that 435 isnt possible for MOST people's natural potential. if you're big boned, as in tall with a large frame plus fat then yeah, chances are you can reach 435 naturally. and most people don't wait until they can bench 4 plates to go on dat dere. and a LOT of people aren't natty and aren't that strong and dont look good. i havent even watched the vid yet
    Being fat/LARGE frame doesn't have much do with it.
    If you're not on solid progressive overload program, you won't make strength gains PERIOD.
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    I met him in real life. He's big, but not crazy big. Can easily believe he's natty
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    Originally Posted by WorkoutFreak219 View Post
    Being fat/LARGE frame doesn't have much do with it.
    If you're not on solid progressive overload program, you won't make strength gains PERIOD.
    Eh, I went from 185 - 225 in 5 weeks just doing 5x10 adding 5 pound week (negatives on most)
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    Originally Posted by shadowbobo8028 View Post
    I met him in real life. He's big, but not crazy big. Can easily believe he's natty
    That's what I'm saying. People are delusional over pictures online and real life.

    Someones bigger than them in a photo " Oh yeah, they're on steroids ". lol
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    Originally Posted by DCbuff View Post
    Eh, I went from 185 - 225 in 5 weeks just doing 5x10 adding 5 pound week (negatives on most)
    225 isn't a high bench.
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    Originally Posted by Gavin93 View Post
    225 isn't a high bench.
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    Pretty sure he isn't natural

    Not cause he benches 435 but he alluded to it in other videos.

    The hodgetwins can bench a lot more than 225, probably 315-365+
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    Originally Posted by Silverback1996 View Post
    i dont believe you that you hit 500lbs on bench natty.
    also, i dont have the idea that just cus someone is stronger than me then they aren't natty. all i said is that 435 isnt possible for MOST people's natural potential. if you're big boned, as in tall with a large frame plus fat then yeah, chances are you can reach 435 naturally. and most people don't wait until they can bench 4 plates to go on dat dere. and a LOT of people aren't natty and aren't that strong and dont look good. i havent even watched the vid yet
    Agree with this. Hodgetwins are strong though: they max around 360 i think. Reg Park , practically the greatest natty who ever lived benched 500 for a single so 500 is defo a big feat and impressive on tech or not.
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    A kid who is in my grade (10th), I pretty sure he's 16. Maybe is 15, but probably 16 but benches 315 raw bench press. Biggest bench in our sophmore class, wrestled this year to as a first year and dominated it due to his strength. He has a power lifter physique though. Isn't shredded or anything and doesn't work out much. I don't even think he does squats/deadlifts. If he does get into deadlifts I'm pretty sure he'll dominate that too.

    Just saying man, some people are actually have the genetics/natural strength to be able to get to 435 without any use of steroids after several years of lifting.
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    Seen a natty 365 incline bench for reps at my gym with out a spot 2 weeks ago. I bet that is natty.
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    a powerlifter at my gym benched 500lbs once and im pretty damn sure hes natty since his body really looks like ****

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    Guys Guys!! no need to argue here haha but anyways back to the topic, it's definitely possible and many different people train for different things like look at all the power lifters and such.. Then on the other hand now a days you never know who is on what cause no one will come out and say it
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    Hanh never claimed natty. And who cares, 435lb press is impressive nonetheless.
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    Originally Posted by TheLiftingDoc View Post
    The IPF is tested by WADA and multiple of their lifters bench press 435lb and more. It's a big number and an impressive bench press, but with the right amount of training time, consistency, eating and genetic potential, it is more than achievable naturally.
    you think passing a drug test is impossible or something?
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    It is very possible, considering he is fully grown and he has been training for years.
    With a adequate diet. A proper workout regiment for your goals, you can achieve it.


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    Originally Posted by xbodybuilder View Post
    A kid who is in my grade (10th), I pretty sure he's 16. Maybe is 15, but probably 16 but benches 315 raw bench press. Biggest bench in our sophmore class, wrestled this year to as a first year and dominated it due to his strength. He has a power lifter physique though. Isn't shredded or anything and doesn't work out much. I don't even think he does squats/deadlifts. If he does get into deadlifts I'm pretty sure he'll dominate that too.

    Just saying man, some people are actually have the genetics/natural strength to be able to get to 435 without any use of steroids after several years of lifting.
    This post would had made more sense if he squatted and deadlifted alot. Wrestling is all about technique and leg drive.
    My friend can bench 350, but got his ass whooped to some kid who isn't big at all but can squat and deadlift like a monster.

    But yeah, I agree genetics and natural strength.
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    Originally Posted by BigStewTheJew View Post
    My goals 495 before graduating hs next year

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    Just wondering, what does your bench program look like? I saw one of your youtube videos, solid 405 lift.
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    Why do you guys care so much. No I don't think everyone can achieve a 440 pound bench, but I am sure some people have and can. It isn't just about programming, it takes a lot of time, experience, technique.
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    Originally Posted by Silverback1996 View Post
    i dont believe you that you hit 500lbs on bench natty.
    also, i dont have the idea that just cus someone is stronger than me then they aren't natty. all i said is that 435 isnt possible for MOST people's natural potential. if you're big boned, as in tall with a large frame plus fat then yeah, chances are you can reach 435 naturally. and most people don't wait until they can bench 4 plates to go on dat dere. and a LOT of people aren't natty and aren't that strong and dont look good. i havent even watched the vid yet
    I really don't give a **** what you believe kunta kinte. I hit 500 natty. have I taken ****? yes. im open about it. but what I took I took after my shoulder surgery to try and get back to 500 pounds as fast as possible.
    just because I did something nobody had ever done before does not mean I took ****. that's just ignorant. that means I started working out when I was 13 and trained specifically for a big bench under somebody who is still stronger than ill ever be.
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    Originally Posted by Protected View Post
    This guy calling himself (hanhchampion) on youtube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66Gv...B9xkNXF8LbiKZQ

    Check out his other crazy lifts,

    I mean look at the HTwins, they can barely bench 225s and they have been in the game much longer,

    its just bugging me right I know
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    Totally possible. Impressive certainly, but possible natty.
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    There are definitely people benching in the mid 400s who got that way natty. However that's because they have the genetics required. You'll have people like bonecrown talking about how it's absolutely possible and you just have to eat right and put in the necessary work. Easy for them to say, with their genetics that's true. I doubt most people have the genetics to bench that much without drugs though. Get to the point where you're benching 335, then ask yourself the same question
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    Originally Posted by DCbuff View Post
    Repped..
    seriously OP is delusional lol. I think in denial.
    Ok, could you explain to me how he managed to keep his 6pack whilst being on 6k calories for the past 10 yrs? he himself said he never went on a cut or did any cardio just because he has fast metabolism , but there is no way a fast metabolism can keep those sixpacks for 10 yrs unless on steriods.
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    Originally Posted by elite2292 View Post
    Thats decline, but regardless they are strong men, 225lbs is probably on incline, which is still impressive for natties.
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    Originally Posted by Protected View Post
    Ok, could you explain to me how he managed to keep his 6pack whilst being on 6k calories for the past 10 yrs? he himself said he never went on a cut or did any cardio just because he has fast metabolism , but there is no way a fast metabolism can keep those sixpacks for 10 yrs unless on steriods.
    Mike chang, eats 5K a day and maintains his six pack, lol.

    It's not that hard, I'm eatting 4000 calories a day and I maintain weight at that many calories, everyone is different, you gotta consider that.
    I only weigh 165 and I eat 4k a day, without gaining fat, that's what I eat to maintain it. I don't do cardio either, lol.
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    Originally Posted by Protected View Post
    Thats decline, but regardless they are strong men, 225lbs is probably on incline, which is still impressive for natties.
    225 isn't that impressive for natties.

    Bartkwan is natural, and his benching 225 on incline for 12+ reps.

    I have bunch of kids at my highschool who are doing 225 for reps, lol..
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    Originally Posted by DCbuff View Post
    Mike chang, eats 5K a day and maintains his six pack, lol.

    It's not that hard, I'm eatting 4000 calories a day and I maintain weight at that many calories, everyone is different, you gotta consider that.
    I only weigh 165 and I eat 4k a day, without gaining fat, that's what I eat to maintain it. I don't do cardio either, lol.
    Lool Mike Chang is full of BS, dont believe anything he says, also he is not natty
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