Dutch politician Geert Wilders takes aim at Moroccans and sparks outrage

[Spartan5364]

It was the crowd that chanted less morrocans, not him btw

[Keseff]

I'm talking bout the foreign housewives and mothers that don't have a job that make up for the majority of immigrant females.
As the statistics shows, immigrants make use of the welfare program 6 times more often than non immigrants.
Also you neg me calling me a poverty hbo student and now i'm suddenly a ''mavo'' student despite the fact that i finished my vwo in highschool and am currently in university.
But sure go ahead and neg me and name call me simply because you're unable to have a discussion on a forum without getting your jimmies rustles by opinions that differ from yours. Maybe you should join an immigrant leftist forum who all agree with you, then maybe you won't get so upset.

And to keseff, you bring good points.

What would be your solution?

[Kadafi25]

you forgot vile..

i dont care if hes been talking crap about islam for a day or his entire life. hes free to do so and if you dont like it, youre welcome to go to saudi arabia or some other arab paradise where there is no discrimination

Do you even comprehend?

He broke a dutch law, not a Saudi Arabian, or other Arab paradises law...hence is being persecuted....so no, he is not free to do so, even in Holland...

yeah i know he broke a law

its quite a weak law to say the least. he should be 100% able to say that he wants the netherlands to have dutch living there

[indosthetic]

Talk to me when you have something constructive to say without using personal attacks.

Wow someone cant take a joke.

Loosen up that hijab a little Habibi, laugh a little.

[MuzzieChik786]

Wow someone cant take a joke.

Loosen up that hijab a little Habibi, laugh a little.

Is that what all your posts were in this thread?

You're not so funny mate (don't quit ur day job). Although I did laugh a little witnessing your guys' India vs Pakistan cricket match earlier..

[indosthetic]

Is that what all your posts were in this thread?

You're not so funny mate (don't quit ur day job). Although I did laugh a little witnessing your guys' India vs Pakistan cricket match earlier..

A few were serious, one or two weren't. That should be blatantly obvious Habibi.

And yes I am phucking hilarious, habibis such as yourself cant get enough of me Mash'Allah PBUH

[perrierAX]

When he/she associates regularly with the local people, works/studies and learns how to speak the local language. It's vital that any immigrant mixes with people other than their own because if they don't, they'll just get stuck in the ghetto situation that you see all across the countries I mentioned.

The biggest causes of problems with muslim minorities are these:
- They are pretty poor and because of that they live in poor neighbourhoods together and they develop a comminty just like they had back home. This also results in an 'us vs them' mentality often. Muslim youths will often stick together and single out white people because of this. Also because migration is often linked to families reuniting and stuff, muslims differentiate between one another often as well. Turkish people generally don't get around that well with Moroccans for example. It's all very segregated and the us vs them mentality isn't solely directed towards white locals.
- Being poor itself makes it so that you: can't offer your kids different activities to kill time so they are pretty much raised by the streets and bore dkids do stupid shet. If you do this from age 3-25, chances are pretty big that you'll end up as a fuktard.
- Sticking together and not integrating means that you will not master the local language as you should. This will limit ALL of your job opportunities past mail man.
- Welfare is so loosely dealt out by socialist retards that the incentive to actually find a job isn't that big because minimum wage isn't that much higher.


All of this is just a huge clusterfuk of problems caused by way too liberal stances towards immigration after the necesary influx of workers for mines across Europe and socialists who handed out money like it was nothing for over 40 years.

It's a problem that can't be solved anymore, but it's something that bothers everyone at the ground level. I understand what Wilders said and why he said it. It wasn't a smart thing to say but you need a retard who will shout it out because politicians are completely deaf for these problems?

Why? Because socialist parties have had a really tough time since it became clear that too much cash had been handed out. And you can't stop handing out cash or start handing out less cash, it will cost you votes. Where can you get more votes? Second generation immigrants and so on. So every dude who says something like "uh guys, this shet is really starting to become dangerous" is instantly labelled as the next Adolf Hitler, and opposing parties try to cash in on that by joining in on an assault on a personal level. This is entertaining to watch, but the problem is ignored and the situation becomes worse every day. Key example of this is how left wing *******s gave immigrants the right to vote in Belgium. This law wasn't coincidentally allowed to pass not too long before the next election, after immigration problems had caused on of the most retarded political parties ever to gain so much popularity everyone had started fearing them (which had already resulted in banning said party of participating in governing by a collective alliances of all the other parties, effectively silencing a HUGE part of the population, something which is actually scandalous)

This has been the way things go for the past 20 years. The problem isn't only left wing socialist *******s, but also other parties who are afraid of extreme right nuts who are rapidly gaining power everywhere. It's always the same, join in on attacks on a personal level, compare situation with nazi or whatever, ignore problem and let population get pissed off even more. Ironically, extreme right wing nutjobs could have been silenced years ago by acknowledging the problem of immigration and doing something about it. Those guys would have had 0 use at this point in time by now. But now we actually need them to put even the slightest crack in the armor of all these retards who are protecting their seats in parliament instead of actually fixing stuff.

Just to start off, are right wing nuts really rapidly gaining power everywhere? We've been hearing this for over 10 years now. I remember there were violent white racist gangs when I was growing up, guys from the National Front, Combat 18 and other Neo-Nazis, that threat IMO is completely dead. I remember bomb threats, I remember being told to avoid certain areas however I think that threat is over. The only mainstream-ish racist party is the BNP, I believe they have had councillors (not MPs) in certain parts of the country, those councillors however have all been extremely incompetent, they couldn't organise a p.ss up in a brewery, they rarely attended meetings and can't really be arsed to deal with the issues of every-day people. Is there a real threat from the far-right, in my honest opinion, I don't see it. The far-right are one-dimensional, hateful and incompetent, and its not just Muslims and 'left-wing *******s' that hate them, but pretty much everyone in between. I've been hearing that all my life, the politicians are ignoring the issue of immigration, its playing into the hands of the right-wing and blah blah.

Also can I just point out this is an issue of race and not necessarily religion. The far-right and other Islamophobes find it hard to admit that their issue is with dark-skinned people that follow the Islamic faith, guys from predominately Muslim countries. There are white english muslim converts, they obviously have no cultural ties to any other country, they cannot be accused of not 'integrating' or all the rest of it. People hide behind the 'Muslim is not a race - I am criticising Muslims so I can't be racist!' line, these groups and other closet racists hide behind that all the time.

When he/she associates regularly with the local people

What does that mean? local as in white?

What if the person in question is an introvert, or likes to play video games all day? Is that an obstacle to integration?

works/studies and learns how to speak the local language

British Muslims do speak English. I have not met one British born Muslim (non-white) that can't speak English, infact, I'd say English would be their first language. Its definitely my first language.

It's vital that any immigrant mixes with people other than their own because if they don't, they'll just get stuck in the ghetto situation that you see all across the countries I mentioned.

I agree.

They are pretty poor and because of that they live in poor neighbourhoods together and they develop a comminty just like they had back home. This also results in an 'us vs them' mentality often.

There are poor black, white, asian ghettos in the UK. Those poor ghettos have rubbish schools, rubbish facilities for children, petty crime + drugs are common. Its not easy for kids to get out of that situation, but I think its completely unfair to portray it as a Muslim problem.

Speaking of the UK, most asian families settled in areas where they found work, and in general they will just stay in that one place, when their kids move out in general it will not be too far away, normally in the same town/city. I don't see anything wrong with that. Muslims and asians in general are very family orientated and don't want to be far from their parents. I don't see this being an obstacle to integration.

The problem I have with this whole debate is how people will use a wishy-washy term like integration and just say 'Muslims need to do more'. No one wants to say what Muslims should be doing. i.e. what steps can be taken to remedy the situation. Its obviously silly to generalise and say that the Muslim community as a whole hasn't integrated, I would not even take such a comment seriously, but the bigger problem I have is people applying severe conditions to Muslims and saying we have to meet certain criteria in order to be considered British. That is pure discrimination. Its a case of one rule for Muslims and another to everyone else. We have to jump through hoops to show we are loyal and don't want to blow up buses and trains just because of our ethnic background and faith. Any opposition to foreign policy in the World, and more specifically the Muslim World, and our loyalty is brought into question - again, that is purely because of our ethnic background and faith.

Regarding immigration - my parents settled in this country in the 70s, I appreciate what this country has given me more than anyone could possibly know. Its a great country and I love it here. Taking that into account (my parents moving here) I feel very uncomfortable in saying other people should not be given opportunities here, however I understand that immigration has to be controlled and tightly regulated, I am all for that.

[davesterrr]

What would be your solution?

I can't turn uneducated immigrants or uneducated dutch people into ceo10k a days.
I think people should make an effort to atleast integrate whenever they move to a different country.
And for those who can work, they should, even if it's not a great job.
In the end, no one forced anyone to come here and if you're a healthy individual then you should contribute to society like everyone else.

Overall, the point of this topic was about wilders making his statement.
I stand by my opinion that immigrants who only cause trouble, should be evicted because no one benefits from them.
Neither white people or foreign people.
I think the punishments for robbery, assault and other crimes should be increased because right now laws are a joke.
But i'm not a politician nor am i trying to run for minister president so what i would do doesn't really matter.

[perrierAX]

I think you fail to see that different factors play a role in this matter. By stating that they refuse to learn the language you're implying that they have a choice, to some degree that's correct, but if I may bring in a few nuances which apply to the average Moroccan/Muslim immigrant mother you'll see that it's not that easy. Keeping in mind that there are differences in culture, which means that not every Muslim immigrant women strives for an active career and don't share the same priorities as Western women.

The mother your talking about comes from a foreign country, with no prior knowledge of the country she is now residing in. She typically has an average of 2 to 3 children and her husband works all day, which means she needs to take care of the children and the household, buy and cook food. Taking this into account we end up with a tired mum with little free-time. The free-time she has could be spend on learning the language, but the problem is that these kind of women are pretty isolated. She doesn't know the language so it's hard to make contact and hard to reach all different kind of agencies. That being said it still has to be a two-way process and we should expect from everyone that settles here that they put a little bit of effort into learning something essential as a language.

And about the welfare, when you're a poorly educated immigrant that has to take care of a whole family there's not much chance you get the greatest jobs.

But luckily we're seeing many improvements both with immigrants and the generations that came and are.

I think that is a problem - Muslim men going back to Muslim countries to marry.

Steps have been taken to help with the situation however. A friend of mines married a woman from back in Pakistan. For her to gain British citizenship she had to pass a citizenship test, had to demonstrate a good understanding of English etc. there was none of that even 10 years ago I believe, so it is a step in the right direction. Also, I think Muslims born and raised in the UK are less likely to go back to Pakistan or Bangladesh (or wherever) to find a wife, so its much better than lets say a generation ago.

[Nosje]

people born in the netherlands are not immigrants period.

[perrierAX]

gtfo

Its true though ain't it? Always a case of:

Muslims are terrorists, Muslims are rapists, Muslims are this, Muslims are that.

But hey, you can't call me racist, Muslim is not a race lolz.

Fact is, most of this hate is aimed at Muslim immigrants from certain countries - so ethnicity is clearly an issue.

Can't find your post in the other thread but I remember you saying a sign of integration would be for immigrants not calling other immigrants 'white' for adopting certain western culture/attitudes.

You believe that?

should i not?

I'm the one that asked you.

You sound like a true coconut.

[perrierAX]

because none of that has ever happened and people just call people rapists for fun

as an example, muslims in sweden are like 9% of the population and 35% of the rapes or some shyt, we had a thread on this a few months back with tons of sources and all, which just devolved into 'yeah but white people dont report their rapes so we cant say anything'. can't really blame the swedes for not wanting muslims

So much wrong with the above.

Muslims? Islam is a faith. You mean certain ethnic minorities that follow the Islamic faith? that would be more accurate. Bit unfair to slur the good name of a religion that is followed by a whole host of ethnicities across the World don't you think? Regarding the rape statistics, the whole debate was going around in circles, but the bottom line IMO is that rape statistics in general are unreliable, on the whole rape is largely unreported and it is beyond silly to make accusations against a group of immigrants based on incomplete/inaccurate data.

Also, I just think its a bit unfair to tar all Muslims with the same brush. Such generalisations are far from helpful.

Why even do that?

And how do you know Swedes don't want Muslims? The Misc perpetuates the usual bs myths i.e. The UK and Europe in general are being over-run by Muslims, all women are 'sloots', Swedes are all emasculated and women run that country, feminism is running riot in the UK, Putin and the Russians are 'alpha as fck brah' and blah blah blah. The Swedes (and UK guys) that do post on here seem pretty chilled and often speak against the myths being perpetuated by the misc, but its funny how guys like you that don't even live in the UK or Europe try to speak from a position of authority.

is it not obvious what my answer was from that?

Okay then.

I don't think preserving your own culture is a threat to the West or an obstacle to integration. In fact, I think it would be a great shame if everyone that came to the West aspired to be 'white'. lol, to hell with that.

[perrierAX]

come on man, you know what i mean. each country has its own major immigrant demographics. in the netherlands its moroccans, in sweden its the iraqis.

and we don't get to throw out statistics because theyre not 100% reliable. from what we do know, iraqis/iranians in sweden rape way way more than ethnic swedes do. since ofc rape is one of those unreliable stats, the most we can do is assume that both groups under report their rapes at somewhat similar %s

didn't say they don't want them, i meant could you blame them if they did?

I just think its unfair to condemn a whole group of people because of the actions of a minority, and in this case, using incomplete and inaccurate data.

Which is essentially what you are doing. Making broad generalisations against a religious and ethnic minority.

You should be defending minorities instead of taking digs mang.

A lot of guys hate Muslims, but there is a lot of hate for Indians too in the West.

and no, i don't think preserving your culture is a bad thing either. if you come to the west, you should aspire to live as a westerner does. simple as that. if you want to live like an arab, move to saudi arabia

Define westerner - just another wishy-washy term IMO.

[AE793x]

correct.

state sponsored discrimination is another thing, but i see nothing wrong with what this dude said here

How do you think state sponsored discriminations occurs, through discrimination by political leaders which then become head of nations.
Do you even fkn basic logic. Perhaps Harper wanting to kick all Indians out of Canada would change your mind.

[Midgetkiller]

Although my example is anecdotal, I have a difficult time believing that 1st, 2nd generation people do not assimilate.

Well I guess you're pretty retarded if you can't believe 3rd-4th generation still aren't assimilated based on a single personal anecdote whilst being conscious of that.

Look, I frequent these cities. I know what goes on there, I enjoy/have enjoyed the nightlife, I have contact with people who live there, I have seen things first hand. I have seen Turks have organised corkscrew fights with Moroccans. I've seen a good hundred-threehundred muslim youths tear down a neighbourhood (trashing stores, cars, targetting whites) when that anti-muslim film was released.

brb 50 muslims protesting, 300 ******* youths looking for an excuse to gang up and cause damage

A guy I know his elderly unkle went to the store in a mainly muslim neighbourhood. A car was blocking two spots and there was a dude in it. Elderly man honked his horn and signalled if he could move his car. Dude in the car drives off. Brb elderly man walks out of store and about 10-20 of these ****gy youths are waiting for him, beat him up and trash his car.

In one of the bigger college cities last year. Young guy walks trhough town going to a frat party where guys had to dress as girls, girls had to dress as guys. Bunch of muslim youths notice him walking past them. They stop him, beat him up and rape him because he was dressed as a ****.

Girls are CONSTANTLY getting harrassed by them. People have tried to pass laws/local rules to deal with the problem in the bigger cities. Main problem is muslim 3rd/4th generation muslims ganging up on girls, calling them whores and afterwards trying to get physical.

I'm a lawyer and I am involved with certain human trafficking cases covering UK/Belgium/France/Holland/Germany. It's always either a gang of 'loverboys' of muslim descent or a gang of East-European mobsters. The guys they catch their only links with the country they live in is the girls they drug and the welfare they cash.

My cousin is a doctor and he's worked in quite a few hospitals in the big cities. Current trend is sealing off emergency waiting rooms and instituting new policies so no more than one family member can wait with the patient. Parents/brothers sisters used to be able to go in together with their injured relative as long as they didn't get in the way and as long as it wasn't too serious. Now they have to fuk off and wait outside. Reason: muslims often got pissed because their wife was getting treated by a man or a woman or anything that they didn't like => they brought in the whole family to demolish the ER.

I can go on and on with stories of these people who aren't even trying to assimilate. they stick to 'their own kind', they do not learn to properly speak the local languages (as I've mentioned, these youths have the most atrocious accents, every single one of them speaks poorly in every country I've so far encountered them), they have pack mentalities, see white people as enemies or tools, take advantage of welfare, ... I mean the list goes on and on and on. I read a report on the demograpgics in prison population in Belgium last year. So their prisons are full (I think it was about 70% of foreign descent, maybe even more dead srs) and they are having to haul ass signing treaties with 'countries of origin' to put some of em behind bars outside of the country. They're paying a shetload of money to Holland to keep up with the influx of these midgets.

I can't even be arsed to check up on the huge problems in Scandinavia as I've seen enough shet in central Europe already. Things is, muslums aren't assimilating and governments often take away any incentive to do so by being waaaay to easy on them. This is tightening, but the damage has already been done. I'm sorry if you don't believe me but I deal with this shet daily and you, like most of the leftist retards (not saying you're one of them though) out there aren't confronted with it at all. All you know and remember is the one good case you saw. I can see these types of people laying in bed with their wife "Oh Mary, today I had a muslima teller at the bank. She was so friendly and they allowed her to wear her head scarf. Multicultural society is so fun and diverse, I do not see any problems that may arise at all. I deeply hate these racists who dare say that severe problems are going on in the big cities. I really hope these filthy nazis die and never ever participate in our government."

It's absurd, people deny problems based on nothing while it all festers for every normal person to see. Politicians turn a blind eye causing people to become sour and effectively force them to vote for extremists when it could be so much easier if people would acknowledge the problems instead of seeing the ingrates they protect as more potential voters.

[Midgetkiller]

Just to start off, are right wing nuts really rapidly gaining power everywhere? We've been hearing this for over 10 years now. I remember there were violent white racist gangs when I was growing up, guys from the National Front, Combat 18 and other Neo-Nazis, that threat IMO is completely dead. I remember bomb threats, I remember being told to avoid certain areas however I think that threat is over. The only mainstream-ish racist party is the BNP, I believe they have had councillors (not MPs) in certain parts of the country, those councillors however have all been extremely incompetent, they couldn't organise a p.ss up in a brewery, they rarely attended meetings and can't really be arsed to deal with the issues of every-day people. Is there a real threat from the far-right, in my honest opinion, I don't see it. The far-right are one-dimensional, hateful and incompetent, and its not just Muslims and 'left-wing *******s' that hate them, but pretty much everyone in between. I've been hearing that all my life, the politicians are ignoring the issue of immigration, its playing into the hands of the right-wing and blah blah.

It picks up speed fast and then is slowed down again by measures of other political parties, voter fatigue (people don't want to vote for a party that is actively excluded from government) and the fact that they often have retarded people at the helm.

But the waves do come back again every few years. Socialists have ran a few countries into the ground, that helps as well. And I noticed that structures of said parties are becoming more professional every time plus they are starting to voice their opinions smarter. Every time one right wing party dies out, another takes over and basically copies the last one but words it a bit more subtle. They try to avoid being associated with racism above all else. But they still remain right wing extremists. The overal climate is just perfect for them. Lots of problems with immigrants of people of foreign descent, obvious mistakes made by former governments, an international scapegoat (islam), economical turmoil and related to the scapegoat thing: foreigners receive benefits pretty easily in some countries and people forget about the locals taking advantage of welfare.

And I have to say, right wing opinions are being accepted much better as before around central Europe. A few years ago you'd be flatout called a racist for pointing out actual problems without even putting the blame on any race or religion.

I understand why the problems with immigrants and such are being ignored, but that makes it even more frustrating tbh.

[NoMilkForYou]

Het Wij vs Zij gevoel viert hoogtij in sommige kringen. Wilders speelt daar goed op in door een duidelijk kloof te creeren tussen verschillende bevolkingsgroepen. En het heeft effect op beide groepen, zowel Marokkaanse straatjochies als Nederlandse tokkies. Laten we hopen dat deze user zulke standpunten aanneemt door ontwetenheid en niet door een of andere irrationele haat.

Ik heb echter het gevoel dat het om irrationele haat gaat bij deze user. Dit concludeer ik doordat hij constant statistieken verkeerd interpreteert en vervolgens absurde conslusies trekt.

I'm talking bout the foreign housewives and mothers that don't have a job that make up for the majority of immigrant females.
As the statistics shows, immigrants make use of the welfare program 6 times more often than non immigrants.
Also you neg me calling me a poverty hbo student and now i'm suddenly a ''mavo'' student despite the fact that i finished my vwo in highschool and am currently in university.
But sure go ahead and neg me and name call me simply because you're unable to have a discussion on a forum without getting your jimmies rustles by opinions that differ from yours. Maybe you should join an immigrant leftist forum who all agree with you, then maybe you won't get so upset.

And to keseff, you bring good points.

You yourself stated that you're in college, college is not university. Yet the two things I adressed you with. Deal with it.
Haha lold at the "immigrant leftist forum". If we're gonna play that game, why don't you post about me on ********** and cry about some more things, closet racist.

You complain but don't bring any solution. Why? Well because you can't think of a solution. Your passive aggressive behaviour is more than laughable.

I can sum your views up in one sentence: herp derp allochtonen eruit herp derp uitkering herp moskeeen weg. Moet trouwens nog steeds lachen om het feit dat je zei dat er in overwegend islamitische landen geen kerken zijn, lol.

[Nosje]

die gozer kan niks onderbouwen hij praat gewoon klinklare onzin wat een mislukking voor de samenleving.

[detrimental]

Laughed my ass off at Perrier with his liberalism tard logic trying to say that anybody who hates on Muslims are actually just racists attacking people of ethnic backgrounds. No Jeffrey, white convert Muslims are the worst of the lot.

In the 1990's there was barely a single Muslim in this country. Now a video on YouTube, with zero relevance to Australia, about an ancient ****phile warlord results in this:





That's with a mere 1.9% of the population being Muslim. Immigration, heavily fueled by the boom in Muslim populace over the last decade, has single handedly turned Western Sydney into a crime ridden, welfare laden, drug abusing crap hole with plummeting property values. There are more Buddhists in this country than Muzzies, yet you don't here chit about them.

Go ahead, tell us how cotton-candy your religion is and how the established domestic populace and culture should tolerate it, and that they're really just racists hating on skin tone. You fake ass moderates are worse than the full blown extremists, at least the extremists have some integrity.

BTW, I'm not sure about the Dutch law, but at least here it's absolutely not against the law to insult or denigrate a person's religion.

[NoMilkForYou]

BTW, I'm not sure about the Dutch law, but at least here it's absolutely not against the law to insult or denigrate a person's religion.

If you had read the OP you would've known it's not about religion. He asked members of his party "Do we want more or less Moroccans" to which his crowd responded with "less! less! less!" and he replied with "Ok, I'm going to take care of that."
Absolutely no religion involved.

also lol at every closet racist immediately assuming someone is a "liberal leftist ignorant pos".

[boseador]

Should have said: "Do we want more or less Islam in Holland?" to which his crowd responds with "less! less! less!" and he replies with "Ok, I'm going to take care of that."

I went to a place in Amersfoort (sp?) last week, I thought I was in Turkey.

[NoMilkForYou]

Should have said: "Do we want more or less Islam in Holland?" to which his crowd responds with "less! less! less!" and he replies with "Ok, I'm going to take care of that."

I went to a place in Amersfoort (sp?) last week, I thought I was in Turkey.

That's funny, because the population of Amersfoort consists out of a mere 4% Turks. Did you enter a kebab restaurant perhaps?

http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publi...TB=G4,G2,G1,G3

[Nosje]

imagine if somebody would say I wanna get rid of all the black people or all the hispanic people in the states, I guarantee you there would be an enormous riot it's totally not done he shouldn't be able to pull stunts like these this country is going straight to hell I tell you.

[NuttyBruh]

Laughed my ass off at Perrier with his liberalism tard logic trying to say that anybody who hates on Muslims are actually just racists attacking people of ethnic backgrounds. No Jeffrey, white convert Muslims are the worst of the lot.

In the 1990's there was barely a single Muslim in this country. Now a video on YouTube, with zero relevance to Australia, about an ancient ****phile warlord results in this:





That's with a mere 1.9% of the population being Muslim. Immigration, heavily fueled by the boom in Muslim populace over the last decade, has single handedly turned Western Sydney into a crime ridden, welfare laden, drug abusing crap hole with plummeting property values. There are more Buddhists in this country than Muzzies, yet you don't here chit about them.

Go ahead, tell us how cotton-candy your religion is and how the established domestic populace and culture should tolerate it, and that they're really just racists hating on skin tone. You fake ass moderates are worse than the full blown extremists, at least the extremists have some integrity.

BTW, I'm not sure about the Dutch law, but at least here it's absolutely not against the law to insult or denigrate a person's religion.

You speak too much truth bruh

[davesterrr]

You yourself stated that you're in college, college is not university. Yet the two things I adressed you with. Deal with it.
Haha lold at the "immigrant leftist forum". If we're gonna play that game, why don't you post about me on ********** and cry about some more things, closet racist.

College is the same as university in america. University is a collection of colleges.
Also i'm not the one crying on a forum and negging people for having a different opinion or result to name calling.
Finally, i don't need to find a solution because whether i do or don't, this country will still stay chit and nothing will change.

[Caesarthetics]

As a Dutch law student im almost 100% he won't be prosecuted. Today Geert Wilders explained the statements that were made: by chanting ''less Morrocans'' he meant the criminal Morrocans, the Morrocans that abuse the system with regards to receiving benefits and Moroccans that want to immigrate from Maroc to Holland. He even explained this IMMEDIATLY after the chants. Although I think his approach wasn't smart, he did not cross any lines. He's right that the media and other politicians have been demonising him and his party. He is on his way to becoming the biggest party in Holland and they are trying everything they can to stop that.

The rest of the Dutch political parties are hypocrites and will do anything for votes. The Dutch government welcomes Imams who preach hatred against homosexual people, hatred against the western civilization, hatred against our laws, hatred against non-islamic people, hatred against those who criticize the islam and so on. I've seen it all and I've had enough of it, Wilders has my vote as long as the other hypocrite parties refuse to acknowledge the BIG problems we have in Holland.

EDIT: Also, after reading through some of comments in this thread. Please learn what discrimination, racism, incitement of hatred and freedom of expression means in legal terms, it would make some of your arguments look less stupid.

[Anondragon2012]

people born in the netherlands are not immigrants period.

Yes and nations dont exist either.
GTFO.

[Nosje]

Yes and nations dont exist either.
GTFO.

wtf kind of retarded comment is this?

[Anondragon2012]

wtf kind of retarded comment is this?

Less retarded than saying being born somewhere makes you member of that nation automatically.
Let me rephrase...If I was born in Japan it would not make me a Japanese.

In Europe we give passports to every possible individual and it has been our downfall.

[perrierAX]

Ancients, I think your post was deleted.

As I said, there is plenty of hate for Muslims, I know that, but White people hate Indians too.

Find it funny how you side with White people and take digs at Muslims.

and no, i don't think preserving your culture is a bad thing either. if you come to the west, you should aspire to live as a westerner does. simple as that. if you want to live like an arab, move to saudi arabia

And yes, please do define westerner - just another wishy-washy term IMO.