Phil Heath guest posing @ the 2014 Phil Heath Classic

[jayvee]

Winning and judges scores are not one and the same thing.

They kind of are, considering thats what determines who wins a contest. Based on that rationale, Rhoden should've won the Arnold, because I, and not the judges necissarily, prefferred his physique, and he didnt have two different sized lats...

[ROMMYromboid]

They kind of are, considering thats what determines who wins a contest. Based on that rationale, Rhoden should've won the Arnold, because I, and not the judges necissarily, prefferred his physique, and he didnt have two different sized lats...

Winning could have more than one definition but lets assume winning is what you have assumed winning to be.

Judges do make highly subjective decisions and also mistakes. I am not saying Heath should not have won this year. The judges had Heath winning by TKO when really this went the full number of rounds and the real difference between the athletes was a narrow (no pun intendd) and not a wide (no pun inteneded) margin. For the judges to not see the need to compare Heath to the other contenders (Wo1f and Ka1) was not based on how good the athletes were one stage. In the history of he Olympia I can not think of a Mr Olympia winner who was beaten in almost every single pose by another athlete yet got perfect scores. It simply is not logical, some other forces were influencing the judges - we can only speculate about what that could have been.

TEAM ROMGLE

[RepItOut]

You mean he blew up over nearly 10 years of training, food and gear?

Everything but gear i heard... dude is 100% Natural...










































hard work

[DPNZ]

Everything but gear i heard... dude is 100% Natural...










































hard work

Heard the same thing. WTF are we doing wrong????

[napa1m]

i thought that was what ppl put into their calves to make them larger. i think wheeler was accused of it or something


edit: that guy mispelled it. here is the 1st thing that came up,

Aha, thanks for the explanation man

[jayvee]

Winning could have more than one definition but lets assume winning is what you have assumed winning to be.

Judges do make highly subjective decisions and also mistakes. I am not saying Heath should not have won this year. The judges had Heath winning by TKO when really this went the full number of rounds and the real difference between the athletes was a narrow (no pun intendd) and not a wide (no pun inteneded) margin. For the judges to not see the need to compare Heath to the other contenders (Wo1f and Ka1) was not based on how good the athletes were one stage. In the history of he Olympia I can not think of a Mr Olympia winner who was beaten in almost every single pose by another athlete yet got perfect scores. It simply is not logical, some other forces were influencing the judges - we can only speculate about what that could have been.

TEAM ROMGLE

Every single year, fans will cry foul over who should've beaten who, who should've been compared to who etc, etc. I'm not particularly phased who wins these days, but over the years, nothings changed in that regard. But when you really break it down, I think last year Phil was the clear winner, and it was for spots 2 and onwards. The reason I say this, is that the bottom line, is that Phil had the best complete combination of size, shape and condition. Was Kai good with size - absolutely. shape - this one gets debated, but certainly pleasing enough. But his condition was off. Dennis - condition was strong, as was size. But with a clear lat symmetry deficiency, long torso and fairly weak calves, his shape will no doubt suffer. Phil - good size. Shape - very good and well balanced. Conditioning - extremely good. I actually thought it was a pretty straightforward result myself to be honest, with very little conspiracy..

[Groggery]

You're literally arguing with a brick wall there. You're from 2004, you should know by now who's got gray matter and who doesn't.

[luckynumber13as]

[jayvee]

You're literally arguing with a brick wall there. You're from 2004, you should know by now who's got gray matter and who doesn't.

Ahh, I did have an extremely long layoff there young grasshopper, so only jumped back on the boards recently. The last time i was posting, Flex Wheeler was still competing. Which is basically the long way round of saying that I'm an old ba$tard.. You are correct tho, this debate is about as intriguing as taking a leak on an electric fence..

[RockyTheKid]

So IFBB head judge Lee Thompson promoted Phil Heath's classic, huh?

[jahaa]

So IFBB head judge Lee Thompson promoted Phil Heath's classic, huh?

Yeah him and Phil are friends the dude even said on MD radio pre 2013 olympia he doesn't think anyone can beat Phil unless he is off or something. Then he went on to explain why Phils ab+thigh is the best.

[RockyTheKid]

Yeah him and Phil are friends the dude even said on MD radio pre 2013 olympia he doesn't think anyone can beat Phil unless he is off or something. Then he went on to explain why Phils ab+thigh is the best.

And people still think Kai or Wolf or Ramy will beat Heath this or any year?

[1quick1]

Looks great.

[RoroCwalker]

And people still think Kai or Wolf or Ramy will beat Heath this or any year?


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Putting Ramy next to Phil will open the people's eyes, especially if they surround Phil with those 3.

[Canuck77]

Putting Ramy next to Phil will open the people's eyes, especially if they surround Phil with those 3.

That is the key. But they will have him next to Branch and give Phil the title after the first callout.

Yeah him and Phil are friends the dude even said on MD radio pre 2013 olympia he doesn't think anyone can beat Phil unless he is off or something. Then he went on to explain why Phils ab+thigh is the best.

lol...wow I go. Maybe that is why Phil only had one call out before the Sandow was handed to him.

[RobberBaron13]

Putting Ramy next to Phil will open the people's eyes, especially if they surround Phil with those 3.

He would get outmassed, so what?his shape and conditioning make up for the extra 10 lb Kai has on him.
The winner doesnt have to be the biggest on stage.Atm Phil has the best combination of size/shape/aestehthics/conditioning.Unless Phil comes off nobody has a chance

[RockyTheKid]

lol...wow I go. Maybe that is why Phil only had one call out before the Sandow was handed to him.

It just looks bad for the IFBB head judge to promote the reigning and defending Mr. O's show, and to rant about how great he is and how nobody will beat him.

[RoroCwalker]

He would get outmassed, so what?his shape and conditioning make up for the extra 10 lb Kai has on him.
The winner doesnt have to be the biggest on stage.Atm Phil has the best combination of size/shape/aestehthics/conditioning.Unless Phil comes off nobody has a chance

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

The only thing he has on them is conditioning and arguably, thickness, there's nothing else.

[Groggery]

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

Can we have one thread where you folks don't start rattling on like loons? Every Phil thread man, every god damn thread.

[1quick1]

Can we have one thread where you folks don't start rattling on like loons? Every Phil thread man, every god damn thread.

So much this....

[RobberBaron13]

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

The only thing he has on them is conditioning and arguably, thickness, there's nothing else.

Does Wolf have that 3d effect?NO
Does Ramy have 3d effect?NO
Phil has that pop and round muscle bellies the other guys dont have.Kai is pretty close though...
In terms of muscle roundness, fullness nobody beats Phil.Thats what i mean by shape. Or is there another definition of muscle shape here?

[FAN0FdaSport]

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

lol this isn't even remotely true

[PillClinton]

Can we have one thread where you folks don't start rattling on like loons? Every Phil thread man, every god damn thread.

this. Outside of phil vs. the world discussions roro is a good poster and i enjoy his contributions.

But sometimes roro... come on bro...

[Joshua2035]

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

The only thing he has on them is conditioning and arguably, thickness, there's nothing else.

What ever you smoking mate, please stop it because it's clearly messing with your brain !!

[flangmasterj]

You realize that Phil gets out-"shaped" by all of them?

[RoroCwalker]

Does Wolf have that 3d effect?NO
Does Ramy have 3d effect?NO
Phil has that pop and round muscle bellies the other guys dont have.Kai is pretty close though...
In terms of muscle roundness, fullness nobody beats Phil.Thats what i mean by shape. Or is there another definition of muscle shape here?

"3D effect" is just another word for thickness.

And yes, when you talk about "someone's shape", it refers to the contour of his body, his silhouette, the outline of his physique, which goes hand in hand with the aspect of proportions and structure.

For example, hands on hips MM of Ramy vs Phil.

Ramy has better shape because his width is dominant in relation to his waist and his quads flare much more, on the counter part, you can say that Phil is rounder.

Note that I specified "shape", I never said they looked better than Phil overall.

[ROMMYromboid]

Ahh, I did have an extremely long layoff there young grasshopper, so only jumped back on the boards recently. The last time i was posting, Flex Wheeler was still competing. Which is basically the long way round of saying that I'm an old ba$tard.. You are correct tho, this debate is about as intriguing as taking a leak on an electric fence..

Agree about the electric fence part..lol

TEAM FAIR JUDGING

[ROMMYromboid]

"3D effect" is just another word for thickness.

And yes, when you talk about "someone's shape", it refers to the contour of his body, his silhouette, the outline of his physique, which goes hand in hand with the aspect of proportions and structure.

For example, hands on hips MM of Ramy vs Phil.

Ramy has better shape because his width is dominant in relation to his waist and his quads flare much more, on the counter part, you can say that Phil is rounder.

Note that I specified "shape", I never said they looked better than Phil overall.

Spot on about the so called '3d Effect' . Ramy does not need a 3d effect, he has much better overall shape than almost anyone in the IFBB right now and that 100% includes Heath.

TEAM ROMGLE

[Groggery]

And yes, when you talk about "someone's shape", it refers to the contour of his body, his silhouette, the outline of his physique, which goes hand in hand with the aspect of proportions and structure.

Nobody thinks about silhouettes when they read shape, it's always about the muscle bellies.

Are you going to quit while you're ahead or do you want a neg?

[ROMMYromboid]

Can we have one thread where you folks don't start rattling on like loons? Every Phil thread man, every god damn thread.

Listen up young grasshopper - Roro has made a post based on fact, his post is anatomically correct in terms of bodybuilding. From an analytical and technical perspective his post is well thought out and based on real life dimension and weights of the athletes - quite the oposite of the term 'loon'.