Iifym causes eating disorders?

[health4life24]

iifym is the opposite of an eating disorder...?

Ie all I keep as a staple is my meat intake for protein/fat minimums then use iifym to eat whatever the f*ck I want for the rest of the day in my calorie allowance.

I've eaten cinnamon rolls with frosting, cereal, chocolate chip cookies, salads, grilled veggies, burritos ect the past week and am dropping bf% and setting Pr's. I don't understand this being an eating "disorder".



At what point does being conscious and aware of how much we are eating become an apparent issue? This is like saying every single bodybuilder who diets proper has an eating problem.

Did you even read the original post?

[ErikTheElectric]

Came in to say this but seems like you were first.
I also don't get what's so bad about counting all the time and not eating low quality food "out with friends" if we do it because we WANT to.

Because when people are predisposed to EDs and have problems with obsessions/addictions in their past, doing things like..
- Obsessing over diet
- Deeming foods to be "low quality"
- Weighing food/Bringing food scales to restaurants
- ALWAYS counting calories

Can cause an eating disorder because you're moving to an extreme.

[Shredthetics]

Did you even read the original post?

Yes.

Because when people are predisposed to EDs and have problems with obsessions/addictions in their past, doing things like..
- Obsessing over diet
- Deeming foods to be "low quality"
- Weighing food/Bringing food scales to restaurants
- ALWAYS counting calories

Can cause an eating disorder because you're moving to an extreme.

The OP is giving examples of people obsessing over the most minute details but saying that "iifym causes eating disorders"
Iifym is a style of eating aimed toward eating the proper amounts of foods regardless of source.. not ensuring to bring scales everywhere obsessing whether or not nutritional labels are accurate to the serving amount. That is obviously OCD.

examples include people..won't eat with friends in college at the cafe b/c they can't track accurately... these examples are causing eating disorders... would love to hear other peoples thoughts on this...

IMO I think OP just got lonely and is looking for a specific culprit to blame other than his friend's growing OCD.

[WonderPug]

I would say that blaming the obesity epidemic on knowledge of calories is like blaming the AIDs epidemic on awareness of AIDs.

You should reread my post and think about the content a tab bit more, as your conclusions seem disconnected from the thesis contained therein.

[Merial20]

I think a lot if has to do with personality. Having an addictive and obsessive personality might exaggerate the issue .

[oxford123]

Counting calories can make one obsessive

Yes very much so.. have you been obsessive about it?

I think your opinion is shaped by being on bb.com. I seriously don't know 1 person not on this site that weighs their food and I don't know hardly anyone who even counts cals. And I know plenty of healthy people. Most of them just eat reasonably and balanced diets. They don't track, count, or measure anything.

No one I know besides the people focused on bb.com and the internet who track anything...

could not agree more i've been guilty of it as well when i was on IIFYM...definitely interesting and i am definitely not sold on a macro is a macro, but i am certainly open to it as a very reasonable approach for quite a few people.

Are you still on IIFYM? what were your obsessive things you did if you don't mind sharing.

This isn't because people practice "IIFYM" it's because we live in a society that focuses on dieting, taking weight loss to an extreme, and placing extreme emphasis on body image.

I feel like the "youth" see these professional models/bodybuilders and strive to be exactly like them when it's simply not possible (for many reasons).. also b/c they feel that you have to walk around 4-6% bf or you start to have some body image disorders..

Damn... i rejoice when i get a really chunky one.

In all seriousness though, it can go both ways. For me personally, I have felt anxiety about food during periods where I'm tracking cals as well as during times when i'm not. A history of tracking macros has made it really tough to not do so, even when on vacation, going out, etc. It upsets me that I can't go out and thoroughly enjoy a huge pizza without thinking about macros, and that is something I'm working on. I'm much more loose about counting than alot of people, and thankfully I have never and will never weigh anything at a restaurant... that i believe to be way over the top.

I don't eat a food that i'm personally not thinking about fat/carbs/pro.... Are you still thinking like that and/or tracking macros?

iifym is the opposite of an eating disorder...?

Ie all I keep as a staple is my meat intake for protein/fat minimums then use iifym to eat whatever the f*ck I want for the rest of the day in my calorie allowance.

I've eaten cinnamon rolls with frosting, cereal, chocolate chip cookies, salads, grilled veggies, burritos ect the past week and am dropping bf% and setting Pr's. I don't understand this being an eating "disorder".
At what point does being conscious and aware of how much we are eating become an apparent issue? This is like saying every single bodybuilder who diets proper has an eating problem.

That is the whole point of IIFYM being able to eat cinnamon rolls with frosting and such... you've lost the point of this post..

[The Running Man]

You should reread my post and think about the content a tab bit more, as your conclusions seem disconnected from the thesis contained therein.

I suspect shesprints was simply warning that we not make any causal errors, since increased understanding of food is clearly correlated with obesity, it is doubtfully a direct causal relationship (in the same way that knowledge in virology hasn't lead to AIDS).

Although now that I think about it, it is perhaps true to say that food science has directly contributed to obesity, in that it has lead to industrialized food and the general cheapening of the calorie.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-2...-a-century.htm

Adjusted for inflation, income, and smaller households, food is substantially cheaper, and more readily available that ever before, particularly in instant processed forms that lend themselves to overcompensation.

This all being said, I have a hard time vilifying food science. Many of the breakthroughs that are responsible for our overabundance are equally responsible for bringing large portions of the world out of starvation.

[oxford123]

Because when people are predisposed to EDs and have problems with obsessions/addictions in their past, doing things like..
- Obsessing over diet
- Deeming foods to be "low quality"
- Weighing food/Bringing food scales to restaurants
- ALWAYS counting calories

Can cause an eating disorder because you're moving to an extreme.

Agreed, idk about you but i've brought scales to restaurants... i was in contest prep however

IMO I think OP just got lonely and is looking for a specific culprit to blame other than his friend's growing OCD.

ok?

[snorkelman]

Agreed, idk about you but i've brought scales to restaurants... i was in contest prep however

ok, standing request offering reps to any dude who takes a pic of weighing a fast-food meal inside the fast food joint. You know the french fries sitting on a digital scale with the obvious mcdonalds or BK interior in the background...that kind of stuff.

[Peter-1]

Extremes of both cases.

Eating "Clean" causes eating disorders because people breakdown if they "cheat".

IIFYM causes eating disorders because people breakdown if they go over their macros.

The key is to be sensible and find balance.

^^^^^^ that's it right there,i track my macros and weight my food for the few minutes it takes each day,i eat "clean" 90% of the time and if i want a treat i fit it into my macros,simple as that. people think iifym is all poptarts and ice cream,your never gonna hit your protein or fiber with them foods. be sensible about it peeps.

[n0useforaname]

First off, IIFYM is stupid IMO.. too many people mis-understand the acronym.

With that being said.. I'd say the majority of the people on this forum have some sort of ED or OCD.. Almost every thread I read is someone freaking out about carb cycling, eating an extra gram of food, avoiding certain foods, classifying them as clean or dirty, binge days, etc.. People like my wife who just "live life" would never in a million years ever read a single post on here.. because they don't have to, and they maintain a healthy lifestyle.

[ErikTheElectric]

Agreed, idk about you but i've brought scales to restaurants... i was in contest prep however

At this point, I would just eat at home. Would never do such a thing.

[sonnydfrizzy]

First off, IIFYM is stupid IMO.. too many people mis-understand the acronym.

With that being said.. I'd say the majority of the people on this forum have some sort of ED or OCD.. Almost every thread I read is someone freaking out about carb cycling, eating an extra gram of food, avoiding certain foods, classifying them as clean or dirty, binge days, etc.. People like my wife who just "live life" would never in a million years ever read a single post on here.. because they don't have to, and they maintain a healthy lifestyle.

Best response IMO. On a website that encourages the shredded physique and perfect body, it inevitably makes people compare themselves to the elite of this website. THey see posts and pics of people shredded to the max, people praise these people and only dream of getting there, further encouraging a more strict and OCD behavior around food. A lot of people on this site are healthier than 95% of America, we just have to switch our perspective from bodybuilding standards to health and well being standards.

I know for me, a poor body image and perfectionist mentality catalyzed my ED, and this site only perpetuated the perfection and quest for the 6 pack abs. At first I was on 6 meals a day and just ate until I was satisfied, naturally dropping weight and putting on muscle during my first few months of training. It was all very healthy. Then I learned meal timing was irrelevant, so I ate fewer but bigger meals. This ultimately led to me fasting all day, dreaming up a huge meal to "hit my macros," exercising and being as active as possible to be able to eat more at night, and made me extremely food obsessed. Did I get lean? Yes. Did I lose friends, neglect family, avoid certain foods, eat for volume, and become a douche bag to everyone and a killjoy to be around? Yes. I took it to the extreme because IF and IIFYM was an extreme that seemed so satisfying and almost "cult like" to me. It ruined my relationship with food, made me fear food, and made me afraid to put on weight or fat... To this day, I am still dealing with ED issues, yet I am taking the steps necessary to combating my inner demons.

All in all, IIFYM or any diet is good as long as it is not taken to an extreme and becomes the "highlight" of your day, you become food obsessed, find you binge eat, feel guilty when you cannot count calories or go over calories, avoid social gatherings due to lack of ability to track, or you find yourself saving calories for later in the day when you are hungry in the present moment.

Just a few things to think about.

/rant

[fishnbrah]

Food for thought: obesity was nearly nonexistent(<1% prevalence in the in the States and Western Europe) in the late 1800's, before caloric content of food was known.

In societies that, today, lack industrial foods, obesity is still largely unseen despite a nearly total absence of caloric content information.

pretty sure grocery stores werent worth a chit back then. same can be said for places that lack industrial foods

[Mikelh]

Best response IMO. On a website that encourages the shredded physique and perfect body, it inevitably makes people compare themselves to the elite of this website. THey see posts and pics of people shredded to the max, people praise these people and only dream of getting there, further encouraging a more strict and OCD behavior around food. A lot of people on this site are healthier than 95% of America, we just have to switch our perspective from bodybuilding standards to health and well being standards.

I know for me, a poor body image and perfectionist mentality catalyzed my ED, and this site only perpetuated the perfection and quest for the 6 pack abs. At first I was on 6 meals a day and just ate until I was satisfied, naturally dropping weight and putting on muscle during my first few months of training. It was all very healthy. Then I learned meal timing was irrelevant, so I ate fewer but bigger meals. This ultimately led to me fasting all day, dreaming up a huge meal to "hit my macros," exercising and being as active as possible to be able to eat more at night, and made me extremely food obsessed. Did I get lean? Yes. Did I lose friends, neglect family, avoid certain foods, eat for volume, and become a douche bag to everyone and a killjoy to be around? Yes. I took it to the extreme because IF and IIFYM was an extreme that seemed so satisfying and almost "cult like" to me. It ruined my relationship with food, made me fear food, and made me afraid to put on weight or fat... To this day, I am still dealing with ED issues, yet I am taking the steps necessary to combating my inner demons.

All in all, IIFYM or any diet is good as long as it is not taken to an extreme and becomes the "highlight" of your day, you become food obsessed, find you binge eat, feel guilty when you cannot count calories or go over calories, avoid social gatherings due to lack of ability to track, or you find yourself saving calories for later in the day when you are hungry in the present moment.

Just a few things to think about.

/rant

This post was extremely insightful and well-put. I agree 100% with this, and the bolded section is what i'm currently trying to get better at focusing on when I have days that I find I am being hard on myself, be it about my diet or my eating habits, or my excercise routine, or anything really.. It can be applied to many other aspects of life as well. it's just easier said than done. One day at a time i suppose.

I have had the same experience as you described in your post, and I think it's pretty common for people on this site, especially who have been heavier in the past. It's really impressive how permanent some of the dietary habits and attitudes can become, and how they can change over time

[EfficientLiver]

give someone a glass of water and I'm sure they'll figure out a way to drown in it...

iifym causes ed's no more than your next nutrition program or magazine picture.

I do think many people think iifym is much more exact than it is with their ESTIMATES of their ideal macros. but probably a lot less than the people who think carbs are bad, or fat is bad, or muscle turns to fat.

[sonnydfrizzy]

This post was extremely insightful and well-put. I agree 100% with this, and the bolded section is what i'm currently trying to get better at focusing on when I have days that I find I am being hard on myself, be it about my diet or my eating habits, or my excercise routine, or anything really.. It can be applied to many other aspects of life as well. it's just easier said than done. One day at a time i suppose.

I have had the same experience as you described in your post, and I think it's pretty common for people on this site, especially who have been heavier in the past. It's really impressive how permanent some of the dietary habits and attitudes can become, and how they can change over time

Well said man. Bolded the parts pertaining to me. I think we also get too caught up in the moment like "Shoot, I ate 300 over my calories today.. time to get a milkshake and box of oreos!" When this sort of thinking is so distorted, so all or nothing, and we need to realize 300 calories over the span of a week even won't be noticeable or make any difference whatsoever.

[shesprints]

I suspect shesprints was simply warning that we not make any causal errors, since increased understanding of food is clearly correlated with obesity, it is doubtfully a direct causal relationship (in the same way that knowledge in virology hasn't lead to AIDS).

Although now that I think about it, it is perhaps true to say that food science has directly contributed to obesity, in that it has lead to industrialized food and the general cheapening of the calorie.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-2...-a-century.htm

Adjusted for inflation, income, and smaller households, food is substantially cheaper, and more readily available that ever before, particularly in instant processed forms that lend themselves to overcompensation.

This all being said, I have a hard time vilifying food science. Many of the breakthroughs that are responsible for our overabundance are equally responsible for bringing large portions of the world out of starvation.

Exactly. I think food science as it came into existence in the post-industrial era had little to do with health. Even Kellogg, who did begin with the goal of improved health, eventually found his food innovations (like peanut paste--he was one of the early innovators around the time PB was invented--and of course breakfast cereal) warped into a way to get cheap, easy, nutrient-poor calories.

The history of industrialized food in America is fascinating, actually.

Also, when calories as a measure of food energy were originally discovered (sometime in the mid-1800s), it was widely believed that the higher-calorie foods were and should be more valuable and prized. They mostly did studies on how much work they could get out of people based on food calories--think industrialized labor. After all, that was the priority.

All this would be enough to make me a Marxist, except that I think we can reverse the ill effects of easily available food by using our prosperity intelligently, rather than just wildly concocting new types of sugar and fat smooshed together with chemical dye.

[oxford123]

First off, IIFYM is stupid IMO.. too many people mis-understand the acronym.

With that being said.. I'd say the majority of the people on this forum have some sort of ED or OCD.. Almost every thread I read is someone freaking out about carb cycling, eating an extra gram of food, avoiding certain foods, classifying them as clean or dirty, binge days, etc.. People like my wife who just "live life" would never in a million years ever read a single post on here.. because they don't have to, and they maintain a healthy lifestyle.

I'd agree most people on here has some sort of ED/OCD about macros.. IMO we should all be more like your wife, living life and not worrying so much..

Best response IMO. On a website that encourages the shredded physique and perfect body, it inevitably makes people compare themselves to the elite of this website. THey see posts and pics of people shredded to the max, people praise these people and only dream of getting there, further encouraging a more strict and OCD behavior around food. A lot of people on this site are healthier than 95% of America, we just have to switch our perspective from bodybuilding standards to health and well being standards.

I know for me, a poor body image and perfectionist mentality catalyzed my ED, and this site only perpetuated the perfection and quest for the 6 pack abs. At first I was on 6 meals a day and just ate until I was satisfied, naturally dropping weight and putting on muscle during my first few months of training. It was all very healthy. Then I learned meal timing was irrelevant, so I ate fewer but bigger meals. This ultimately led to me fasting all day, dreaming up a huge meal to "hit my macros," exercising and being as active as possible to be able to eat more at night, and made me extremely food obsessed. Did I get lean? Yes. Did I lose friends, neglect family, avoid certain foods, eat for volume, and become a douche bag to everyone and a killjoy to be around? Yes. I took it to the extreme because IF and IIFYM was an extreme that seemed so satisfying and almost "cult like" to me. It ruined my relationship with food, made me fear food, and made me afraid to put on weight or fat... To this day, I am still dealing with ED issues, yet I am taking the steps necessary to combating my inner demons.

All in all, IIFYM or any diet is good as long as it is not taken to an extreme and becomes the "highlight" of your day, you become food obsessed, find you binge eat, feel guilty when you cannot count calories or go over calories, avoid social gatherings due to lack of ability to track, or you find yourself saving calories for later in the day when you are hungry in the present moment.

Just a few things to think about.

/rant

I agreee, the FITNESS/BB community creates that elite body that quite frankly most won't ever get (being natty), and create that image that you have to be walking around shredded with abs 4-6% BF year round... first off that isn't healthy nor sustainable in life. I've been in that situation where I wouldn't go to social events (out with friends because I was prepping for a show and couldn't accurately track macros, and quite frankly it sucked!!). I hope you're getting better with your areas that are hard for you man

This post was extremely insightful and well-put. I agree 100% with this, and the bolded section is what i'm currently trying to get better at focusing on when I have days that I find I am being hard on myself, be it about my diet or my eating habits, or my excercise routine, or anything really.. It can be applied to many other aspects of life as well. it's just easier said than done. One day at a time i suppose.

I have had the same experience as you described in your post, and I think it's pretty common for people on this site, especially who have been heavier in the past. It's really impressive how permanent some of the dietary habits and attitudes can become, and how they can change over time

I was once "chunky", and now you always have that feeling in the back of your head.. "I don't ever want to get like that again" and afraid to not track macros thinking you'll get like that again imo personally that is.....

[n0useforaname]

I was once "chunky", and now you always have that feeling in the back of your head.. "I don't ever want to get like that again" and afraid to not track macros thinking you'll get like that again imo personally that is.....

What's funny about that is.. I actually enjoyed life more when I was chunky. I ate big, lifted hard, and was just generally a happy guy. Then one day my wife threw me an awesome pool party and bought me a waterproof cam corder to have fun with.. After wards we watched it and I was shocked at how I actually looked on a camera, outside of a mirror.. it depressed me and from that point forward I started leaning up and now constantly think about weight/etc.. I feel healthier and better in general that I ever have before.. but I was actually emotionally happier being chunky. Weird huh?

[oxford123]

What's funny about that is.. I actually enjoyed life more when I was chunky. I ate big, lifted hard, and was just generally a happy guy. Then one day my wife threw me an awesome pool party and bought me a waterproof cam corder to have fun with.. After wards we watched it and I was shocked at how I actually looked on a camera, outside of a mirror.. it depressed me and from that point forward I started leaning up and now constantly think about weight/etc.. I feel healthier and better in general that I ever have before.. but I was actually emotionally happier being chunky. Weird huh?

DUDE... couldn't have said it better... When I was chunky, I didn't worry about food, ate when I wanted, enjoyed my moms cooking (AWESOME COOK), now i don't... and now i'm too focused on aesthetics... I'm TRYING to live more and get away from that.. simply enjoy life/lift hard/etc... however, it's a struggle

[n0useforaname]

DUDE... couldn't have said it better... When I was chunky, I didn't worry about food, ate when I wanted, enjoyed my moms cooking (AWESOME COOK), now i don't... and now i'm too focused on aesthetics... I'm TRYING to live more and get away from that.. simply enjoy life/lift hard/etc... however, it's a struggle

One of my biggest problems is being a father of 3.. and I have a history of heart conditions in my family.. so I started thinking that I should become a little more healthy. I was never fat, or unable to do physical activity.. but I had heartburn a lot and my blood pressure was a bit high. It's a daily struggle.. and from browsing most "ripped" people on here.. they do the same thing as me.. bounce up and down a lot of the course of a year.

[WonderPug]

I was never fat, or unable to do physical activity.. but I had heartburn a lot and my blood pressure was a bit high. It's a daily struggle.. and from browsing most "ripped" people on here.. they do the same thing as me.. bounce up and down a lot of the course of a year.

I use satiety and a rationally composed diet, nearly exclusively a product of whole and minimally processed foods, as the only tools needed to maintain ~10% BF at ~192 pounds at an age of 47, with remarkable objective health markers.

I'd urge anyone, especially someone with a particular focus on health, to first attempt to use the hemostat aided by rational food choice before using explicit calorie control.

And I would argue against frequent deliberate modulation in bodyweight if health is the primary objective.

[oxford123]

One of my biggest problems is being a father of 3.. and I have a history of heart conditions in my family.. so I started thinking that I should become a little more healthy. I was never fat, or unable to do physical activity.. but I had heartburn a lot and my blood pressure was a bit high. It's a daily struggle.. and from browsing most "ripped" people on here.. they do the same thing as me.. bounce up and down a lot of the course of a year.

Bounce up and down as in bodyweight?

I use satiety and a rationally composed diet, nearly exclusively a product of whole and minimally processed foods, as the only tools needed to maintain ~10% BF at ~192 pounds at an age of 47, with remarkable objective health markers.

I'd urge anyone, especially someone with a particular focus on health, to first attempt to use the hemostat aided by rational food choice before using explicit calorie control.

And I would argue against frequent deliberate modulation in bodyweight if health is the primary objective.

10% BF at 47 is amazing and unlike the majority, plus you're very healthy, congrats

[n0useforaname]

I use satiety and a rationally composed diet, nearly exclusively a product of whole and minimally processed foods, as the only tools needed to maintain ~10% BF at ~192 pounds at an age of 47, with remarkable objective health markers.

I'd urge anyone, especially someone with a particular focus on health, to first attempt to use the hemostat aided by rational food choice before using explicit calorie control.

And I would argue against frequent deliberate modulation in bodyweight if health is the primary objective.

Yeah, I have been trying hard as of late to pick a goal and try to live without as much worry. In 2012 when I lost all that weight and straightened myself out, I started having random health issues that hindered my lifting and required an MRI, Catscan, and 6 specialists of the course of a year. During that time I also had my 3rd child, and emotions were running pretty high... I went from 168 to 193ish, and I could of kicked myself, but I was really stressed and it was just a dark year for me. After they cleared me on Dec. 28 2013, I got back into things and went from 193 to my current 179, and I want to stick to my cut until May 1st and then start a bulk to try and gain back my muscle I lost. After that.. I want to try to maintain by not counting anymore and see what happens. I'm a guy who actually likes and mostly eats whole foods. Everyday I have like 4 different types of veggies, 3 types of fruit, meats, eggs, fish, etc.. and I couldn't imagine eating any other way.. but I'm a bottomless pit. Last night at 10:30 I had a 4oz beef wrap, mixed veggies, 8oz of cottage cheese/strawberries, two egg sandwiches with bacon, apple, and a liter of water.. and I was still hungry after I finished... it's like a curse.

[oxford123]

Yeah, I have been trying hard as of late to pick a goal and try to live without as much worry. In 2012 when I lost all that weight and straightened myself out, I started having random health issues that hindered my lifting and required an MRI, Catscan, and 6 specialists of the course of a year. During that time I also had my 3rd child, and emotions were running pretty high... I went from 168 to 193ish, and I could of kicked myself, but I was really stressed and it was just a dark year for me. After they cleared me on Dec. 28 2013, I got back into things and went from 193 to my current 179, and I want to stick to my cut until May 1st and then start a bulk to try and gain back my muscle I lost. After that.. I want to try to maintain by not counting anymore and see what happens. I'm a guy who actually likes and mostly eats whole foods. Everyday I have like 4 different types of veggies, 3 types of fruit, meats, eggs, fish, etc.. and I couldn't imagine eating any other way.. but I'm a bottomless pit. Last night at 10:30 I had a 4oz beef wrap, mixed veggies, 8oz of cottage cheese/strawberries, two egg sandwiches with bacon, apple, and a liter of water.. and I was still hungry after I finished... it's like a curse.

Do you think it's more mental than actually being hungry? im not trying to sound mean but it could be a factor

[n0useforaname]

Bounce up and down as in bodyweight?

Yes. At one point for a couple years I would actually fluctuate from 170 to 220.. I would go through phases of either lifting really heavy and wanting to be big.. or wanting to just do cardio.. jog/bike/etc.. very long distances.

Do you think it's more mental than actually being hungry? im not trying to sound mean but it could be a factor

No clue. There is a local pizza joint that I used to go to.. and it was a weekly thing for me to order 1 large pie.. 1 calzone.. 2 cannolis.. and a half cup of ranch dressing.. I would eat ALL of it to myself, and then afterwards eat a bowl of ice cream.. and I NEVER felt full.. ever. No stomach pain, no nothing. My friends would watch me in awe and think that I was insane.. and I lifted/exercised so much that I never really got fat, I just got bigger all around. At one point I had 18 inch arms and shirts barely fit me.. but I could curl a 90LB dumb bell. I was all about the strength and size.. didn't care if I was ripped or not.

[mussina123]

Yes. At one point for a couple years I would actually fluctuate from 170 to 220.. I would go through phases of either lifting really heavy and wanting to be big.. or wanting to just do cardio.. jog/bike/etc.. very long distances.



No clue. There is a local pizza joint that I used to go to.. and it was a weekly thing for me to order 1 large pie.. 1 calzone.. 2 cannolis.. and a half cup of ranch dressing.. I would eat ALL of it to myself, and then afterwards eat a bowl of ice cream.. and I NEVER felt full.. ever. No stomach pain, no nothing. My friends would watch me in awe and think that I was insane.. and I lifted/exercised so much that I never really got fat, I just got bigger all around. At one point I had 18 inch arms and shirts barely fit me.. but I could curl a 90LB dumb bell. I was all about the strength and size.. didn't care if I was ripped or not.

What are your goals now bro?

[xJellyBirdx]

Bounce up and down as in bodyweight?



10% BF at 47 is amazing and unlike the majority, plus you're very healthy, congrats

keto for the win lol

[n0useforaname]

What are your goals now bro?

Right now I plan to cut down to 168ish.. where I was 2 years ago, and then I'm going to go on a nice and slow lean bulk.. I'm hoping to start it around June and finish next Jan. sometime. I really want to work on my legs/abs/lats a bit.