Libertarians, can stores sell cigarettes to kids?

[voltio8836]

Like 10-12 year old kids.

Should government regulate this at all?

Discuss

[Mulyark]

Why leave it to government? Wouldn't an adult clerk refuse to sell to kids anyway?

[voltio8836]

Why leave it to government? Wouldn't an adult clerk refuse to sell to kids anyway?

1. The clerk reports to the store owner.

2. Why would a store owner refuse profit just because its a kid buying it?


If I owned a store and margins are razor thin, I don't give fawk about who is buying the cigarettes. Trust me, in the retail industry, margins are razor thin.

Congratulations on never having any real world experience on businesses.

I'm debating with idiots here...

[Spartan5364]

Why leave it to government? Wouldn't an adult clerk refuse to sell to kids anyway?

lol most clerks would sell to children if they could get away with it.

[ThoughtRiot]

Why leave it to government? Wouldn't an adult clerk refuse to sell to kids anyway?

There are a fair amount store clerks who sold kids cigs and booze despite the fact that it is illegal and puts the business at risk of losing its liquor license and getting massive fines.

Source: Remember high school?

[Mulyark]

1. The clerk reports to the store owner.

2. Why would a store owner refuse profit just because its a kid buying it?


If I owned a store and margins are razor thin, I don't give fawk about who is buying the cigarettes.

Congratulations on never having any real world experience on businesses.

Typical liberal anti-business stereotyping.

A business is also responsible for mitigating liability. Any business owner would refuse sales to minors to avoid being sued. Companies set policies for tons of chit the violation of any of which leads to termination so nothing in it for the clerk and the business owner's margins from ciggies is high enough just from adults.

[voltio8836]

Typical liberal anti-business stereotyping.

A business is also responsible for mitigating liability. Any business owner would refuse sales to minors to avoid being sued. Companies set policies for tons of chit the violation of any of which leads to termination so nothing in it for the clerk and the business owner's margins from ciggies is high enough just from adults.

Businesses refuse sales to minors because it's ILLEGAL. And they will get sued because it's ILLEGAL.

If it was LEGAL, every single business and their mom would be selling cigs to kids. Because you can't get SUED.


You acting like you still in high school, holy fawk.

[Spartan5364]

Businesses refuse sales to minors because it's ILLEGAL. And they will get sued because it's ILLEGAL.

If it was LEGAL, every single business and their mom would be selling cigs to kids. Because you can't get SUED.


You acting like you still in high school, holy fawk.

hes also never bought booze or cigs as a minor.
Must have been one of those loser nerds in high school lmao

[TaeBoNinja]

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[DocHol1day]

Businesses refuse sales to minors because it's ILLEGAL. And they will get sued because it's ILLEGAL.

If it was LEGAL, every single business and their mom would be selling cigs to kids. Because you can't get SUED.


You acting like you still in high school, holy fawk.

businesses get sued for doing things that are legal all the freaking time.


lol @ you calling other people idiots and then saying that retarded crap lol just lol @ everyone pointing and laughing at you just like highschool all over again.....

[IDrinkBloodLOL]

I say yes. I was congenitally smart enough from birth to know not to smoke, drink or do drugs.

Therefore, the only kids this will adversely affect are the ones who were probably going to smoke or drink or do drugs anyway.

[PLZGO]

I say yes. I was congenitally smart enough from birth to know not to smoke, drink or do drugs.

Therefore, the only kids this will adversely affect are the ones who were probably going to smoke or drink or do drugs anyway.

i disagree with pretty much every single one of your posts but i still find your viewpoints fascinating

[BEATINGU]

If libertarians are against kids smoking than most of them will believe stores shouldn't be allowed to sell cigarettes to kids

If libertarians are for kids smoking than most of them will believe stores should be allowed to sell cigarettes to kids

Many of them are not as ideologically consistent as they seem.

We had a libertarian the other day saying that roads, police, etc should be voluntarily funded by donations, but parents should have their kids taken away from them for child abuse (by government) if they raise them in a religious environment (srs)

[Mulyark]

hes also never bought booze or cigs as a minor.
Must have been one of those loser nerds in high school lmao

Bought 'em all the time even though it was illegal!

So what did we learn here? Kids can buy whatever they want regardless of legality. Government protects nobody.

[BEATINGU]

Typical liberal anti-business stereotyping.

A business is also responsible for mitigating liability. Any business owner would refuse sales to minors to avoid being sued. Companies set policies for tons of chit the violation of any of which leads to termination so nothing in it for the clerk and the business owner's margins from ciggies is high enough just from adults.

if selling cigarettes to kids is legal, what would the store be sued for exactly?

[DocHol1day]

if selling cigarettes to kids is legal, what would the store be sued for exactly?

there is no legal limit on how much alcohol someone can be sold....


yet somehow....


http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Lustr...210071381.html



asplain. according to dumfuks like opie dis is impossibru

[Mulyark]

if selling cigarettes to kids is legal, what would the store be sued for exactly?

They could be held civilly liable for enabling self-destructive behavior. If the kid gets hooked and always bought cigs at same store, store could be in for cost of a catastrophic illness and shortened life. (kids who get hooked at 12-13 are far less likely to ever quit)

[Stizzel]

If we make it illegal for kids to smoke then none of them will. If da gubmint dont tell me not to sell tabaccy to kids then we'll see infants lighting up.

Herp derp

[RIKTER]

I dont care what letter someone puts after their name..(R) (D), etc an adult sells my 10 year old kid cigs he gets his ass beat....real world > insert whatever non sense political ideology you agree with

[kusok]

A store and parents should decide and settle this kind of thing.

[Mulyark]

A store and parents should decide and settle this kind of thing.

Like gentlemen.

[BEATINGU]

They could be held civilly liable for enabling self-destructive behavior. If the kid gets hooked and always bought cigs at same store, store could be in for cost of a catastrophic illness and shortened life. (kids who get hooked at 12-13 are far less likely to ever quit)

So, in libertarian world you can sue people that don't stop you from hurting yourself?

[sawoobley]

They could be held civilly liable for enabling self-destructive behavior. If the kid gets hooked and always bought cigs at same store, store could be in for cost of a catastrophic illness and shortened life. (kids who get hooked at 12-13 are far less likely to ever quit)

So, in libertarian world you can sue people that don't stop you from hurting yourself?

Brb, suing a store at the age of 50 for a shortened life for selling alcohol and tobacco products to them when they were 12-13. I'm not sure what he is trying to say here but if you want to sue someone you have to do it immediately while they are still around. If we are going to allow this why not make it illegal altogether to sell to minors?

[ONtop888]

Let local or state governments make the call.

[DocHol1day]

So, in libertarian world you can sue people that don't stop you from hurting yourself?

actually.....

there is no legal limit on how much alcohol someone can be sold....


yet somehow....


http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Lustr...210071381.html



asplain. according to dumfuks like opie dis is impossibru

in republican texas you can!

[BEATINGU]

in republican texas you can!

the parents of two men who died in separate drunk driving accidents are suing Lustre Pearl

Has nothing to do with Texas, you can sue people in any state

[DocHol1day]

the parents of two men who died in separate drunk driving accidents are suing Lustre Pearl

Has nothing to do with Texas, you can sue people in any state

thats my point. its not libertarian at all to sue over that imo unless fraud of some sort was involved.

[Mulyark]

So, in libertarian world you can sue people that don't stop you from hurting yourself?

Why not? It doesn't mean anyone would win but it's a risk factor...

In LibertarianWorld we all have to mitigate our own risks, the worst of which is government.

[deepintexas91]

Like 10-12 year old kids.

Should government regulate this at all?

Discuss

How about you establish your opinion and then discuss it with others ideas.

As opposed to making others go ahead of you and then cutting them down in your twisted form of debating which looks a lot more like an opening for you to just be an online a$$hole

[Apeus]

I dont care what letter someone puts after their name..(R) (D), etc an adult sells my 10 year old kid cigs he gets his ass beat....real world > insert whatever non sense political ideology you agree with

"Smoking is bad son, having no control over your anger and solving a problem with violence though....nothing wrong with that."