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    Can I build muscle mass through diet WITHOUT working out?

    I developed a bad back injury 4 months ago (Slipped disc), and I'm going therapy, having treatments...etc

    I can't workout AT ALL right now, I lost massive amount of weight, and looking forward to gain some back through diet and without working out until I finish my treatment and getting back to the gym again.

    So is it possible to do so by eating on a 200 calories surplus? or does it require muscle contraction etc? keep in mind I can't even do home exercises for now whatsoever.

    Would love to build back a solid base until I can lift again in a month or 2.

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    Lots of people notice leaning out and adding some muscle mass when eating a very high fat diet. I just got an IR sauna and was reading that it boosts growth hormone significantly for a few hours after using it. Apparently injured athletes use saunas to help maintain their muscle mass when they can't work out. Might be worth trying if you have access to a sauna.
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    Originally Posted by dest0 View Post
    I developed a bad back injury 4 months ago (Slipped disc), and I'm going therapy, having treatments...etc

    I can't workout AT ALL right now, I lost massive amount of weight, and looking forward to gain some back through diet and without working out until I finish my treatment and getting back to the gym again.

    So is it possible to do so by eating on a 200 calories surplus? or does it require muscle contraction etc? keep in mind I can't even do home exercises for now whatsoever.

    Would love to build back a solid base until I can lift again in a month or 2.

    Thanks,
    D

    I'm not sure if you won't be able to build any, literally speaking, but it will be primarily fat I'm pretty sure.

    Muscle mass is not a priority for your body, it would rather store adipose tissue as energy reserves. As well, if you consider the concept of hypertrophy, I don't see how the muscles would grow without the consistent addition of stress on them.

    I may be wrong, I'm just thinking logically, so someone please correct me if I am.
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    Someone who is emaciated and, thereafter cures the underlying malnutrition can expect to regain lean body mass and adiposity lost to malnutrition even sans formalized exercise.

    In other words, you'd likely return to baseline for someone of your height simply by consuming a proper diet.
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    Originally Posted by Jesse_l_g View Post
    Lots of people notice leaning out and adding some muscle mass when eating a very high fat diet. I just got an IR sauna and was reading that it boosts growth hormone significantly for a few hours after using it. Apparently injured athletes use saunas to help maintain their muscle mass when they can't work out. Might be worth trying if you have access to a sauna.
    That sounds quite far fetched...not that I don't believe you but...quite far fetched....



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    Whenever you gain weight, some of it will be muscle mass - it's just that without training a much greater proportion will be fat. Obese people actually carry quite a high LBM but I'm guessing this is not the look you are after?
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    Originally Posted by dest0 View Post
    I developed a bad back injury 4 months ago (Slipped disc), and I'm going therapy, having treatments...etc

    I can't workout AT ALL right now, I lost massive amount of weight, and looking forward to gain some back through diet and without working out until I finish my treatment and getting back to the gym again.

    So is it possible to do so by eating on a 200 calories surplus? or does it require muscle contraction etc? keep in mind I can't even do home exercises for now whatsoever.

    Would love to build back a solid base until I can lift again in a month or 2.

    Thanks,
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    I try to maintain if i were you, but i believe you need to lift to make new muscle, correct me if i am wrong.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Someone who is emaciated and, thereafter cures the underlying malnutrition can expect to regain lean body mass and adiposity lost to malnutrition even sans formalized exercise.

    In other words, you'd likely return to baseline for someone of your height simply by consuming a proper diet.
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    Originally Posted by dest0 View Post
    I developed a bad back injury 4 months ago (Slipped disc), and I'm going therapy, having treatments...etc

    I can't workout AT ALL right now, I lost massive amount of weight, and looking forward to gain some back through diet and without working out until I finish my treatment and getting back to the gym again.

    So is it possible to do so by eating on a 200 calories surplus? or does it require muscle contraction etc? keep in mind I can't even do home exercises for now whatsoever.

    Would love to build back a solid base until I can lift again in a month or 2.

    Thanks,
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    The only thing that will cause muscle to get bigger/stronger is progressive increase in resistance.

    A calorie surplus combined with no exercise will cause you to get fatter.
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    Originally Posted by Jesse_l_g View Post
    Lots of people notice leaning out and adding some muscle mass when eating a very high fat diet. I just got an IR sauna and was reading that it boosts growth hormone significantly for a few hours after using it. Apparently injured athletes use saunas to help maintain their muscle mass when they can't work out. Might be worth trying if you have access to a sauna.
    What about building muscle mass, not maintaining?


    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Someone who is emaciated and, thereafter cures the underlying malnutrition can expect to regain lean body mass and adiposity lost to malnutrition even sans formalized exercise.

    In other words, you'd likely return to baseline for someone of your height simply by consuming a proper diet.

    How about for someone whose not emaciated, same situation still hold or would excess energy just be stored as adipose tissue?




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    Originally Posted by cls91 View Post
    How about for someone whose not emaciated, same situation still hold or would excess energy just be stored as adipose tissue?l
    Increased weight correlates with increased lean body mass and increased adiposity, though not at a 1:1 ratio of course.

    In fact, many obese people, especially morbidly obese folks, who never lift a weight will carry more lean body mass, height adjusted, than lean folks who have been lifting weight properly for many years.
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    so many different thoughts on this...no one seems to have one definite answer.


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    Appreciate the quick and detailed responses guys.

    When I got injured, I was depressed, and in those 4 months I lost nearly ALL my gains, so I can't maintain as some of you suggested.

    I think I might be able to workout again in 2 months, but I'm down to 160 pounds now, I want to be at least 170, and I don't want all those 10 pounds to be fat of course, otherwise it's not worth it.

    From my understanding through your comments I won't be able to, it's just the normal increase of muscle/fat of a normal person..right?

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    Originally Posted by dest0 View Post
    Appreciate the quick and detailed responses guys.

    When I got injured, I was depressed, and in those 4 months I lost nearly ALL my gains, so I can't maintain as some of you suggested.

    I think I might be able to workout again in 2 months, but I'm down to 160 pounds now, I want to be at least 170, and I don't want all those 10 pounds to be fat of course, otherwise it's not worth it.

    From my understanding through your comments I won't be able to, it's just the normal increase of muscle/fat of a normal person..right?

    Thanks guys
    Mind is blown at people saying you can build any at all.

    But op can you do absolutely nothing? Not even machines?

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    Originally Posted by Celtic8Laoch View Post
    Mind is blown at people saying you can build any at all..
    I hope you understand that people that do not exercise have muscle mass too. And that the amount of muscle mass they have correlates to the amount of bodyweight they carry, right?

    Now do you start to understand?
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    I appreciate the responses you guys have given me.

    I will just have to hit my TDEE for now, and hopefully get back to the gym ASAP.

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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    I hope you understand that people that do not exercise have muscle mass too. And that the amount of muscle mass they have correlates to the amount of bodyweight they carry, right?

    Now do you start to understand?
    I know everyone has muscle mass and heavier individuals would have more LBM predominately. What I dont understand is how you can increase LBM without stimulus ie exercising? I can just see him getting fat.
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    Can't you just sit on your butt and do biceps ? Or leg extention, or arms extention with weights while lying down ? or light machine bench press while lying down on it ? or triceps kick back with light weight, swimming maybe with proper technique to help your back ? What do you mean you cannot train at all. This is redicules. So you can only walk around and that's it ? Then DIE !
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    Originally Posted by Celtic8Laoch View Post
    I know everyone has muscle mass. What I dont understand is how you can increase it without stimulus ie exercising?

    Just carrying yourself is a stimulus, especially when you weight 300lbs or more.
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    Just carrying yourself is a stimulus, especially when you weight 300lbs or more.
    So the suggestion to op's problem is to put on fat and have it act as a stimulus?
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    Originally Posted by Celtic8Laoch View Post
    So the suggestion to op's problem is to put on fat and have it act as a stimulus?
    Not at all, the point is that by living you are always putting some kind of stimulus on your muscle, it's just relative. Off course it's not lifting heavy weights so not optimal.
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    The answer is yes, eating in a surplus is anabolic in it self, however any lean mass gained would be so insignificant you wouldn't even notice, especially considering you'd be packing on far more adipose tissue then anything.

    Take for example, someone who is "skinny fat", this is the result of a small surplus over a prolonged time without any actual physical training.
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    The only thing that will cause muscle to get bigger/stronger is progressive increase in resistance.

    A calorie surplus combined with no exercise will cause you to get fatter.
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    Originally Posted by Former300lber View Post
    The answer is yes, eating in a surplus is anabolic in it self, however any lean mass gained would be so insignificant you wouldn't even notice, especially considering you'd be packing on far more adipose tissue then anything.

    Take for example, someone who is "skinny fat", this is the result of a small surplus over a prolonged time without any actual physical training.
    Thats exactly my thoughts.
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    Originally Posted by sanshiros View Post
    Can't you just sit on your butt and do biceps ? Or leg extention, or arms extention with weights while lying down ? or light machine bench press while lying down on it ? or triceps kick back with light weight, swimming maybe with proper technique to help your back ? What do you mean you cannot train at all. This is redicules. So you can only walk around and that's it ? Then DIE !
    I can't do ANY strengthening exercises for the time being no, my back, left butt cheek are utterly spasmed because when I got injuried I stopped working out all of a sudden from lifting really heavy to nothing (or could be for a different reason my doctor said), so until I get better I don't want my body to be worse..

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    Just carrying yourself is a stimulus, especially when you weight 300lbs or more.
    lol..I disagree for so many reasons

    Originally Posted by Former300lber View Post
    The answer is yes, eating in a surplus is anabolic in it self, however any lean mass gained would be so insignificant you wouldn't even notice, especially considering you'd be packing on far more adipose tissue then anything.

    Take for example, someone who is "skinny fat", this is the result of a small surplus over a prolonged time without any actual physical training.
    Thanks, I actually agree with you..I don't think there's a way out of it now except to lose weight and start all over again when the pain is over

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    Thanks for your input NG, hope all is well
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    yap , you could try if you feel like you are getting fat or more weight then what you want then go lower withe your calories intake
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    Originally Posted by Former300lber View Post
    The answer is yes, eating in a surplus is anabolic in it self, however any lean mass gained would be so insignificant you wouldn't even notice, especially considering you'd be packing on far more adipose tissue then anything.

    Take for example, someone who is "skinny fat", this is the result of a small surplus over a prolonged time without any actual physical training.
    I think Former's answer is spot on.

    Although regarding "Skinny Fat"...I believe that is actually due not having a diet in sufficient macronutrients (proteins and fats) more than anything else.
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    Also op its easier to retain muscle in maintenance or a slight surplus than eating in a deficit so keep that in mind also.
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    Originally Posted by Celtic8Laoch View Post
    Also op its easier to retain muscle in maintenance or a slight surplus than eating in a deficit so keep that in mind also.
    my current problem isn't about retaining muscle, it's about MAKING muscle.

    When I got injured, I got depressed, stopped eating properly (due to lack of appetite as well) so I lost nearly everything I made..so I wanted to gain some back for when I get back to the gym
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