Stacking hemavol and citrulline malate

[Ahmed81]

Hey all,

Looking to stack another supplement with my hemavol pre workout to help increase pumps and vascularity. I've been taking hemavol for 2 weeks now and I haven't been too impressed. Pumps aren't nearly as great as advertised. However, I have good vascularity/pumps to begin with, so perhaps I just have a higher tolerance. Taking 2 scoops of hemavol per session could get pricey, so I'm looking to stack something else with it. I've read about citrulline malate and it seems like it's a great pump supplement. Because hemavol already has 2.5 g of citrulline malate, I would only need a 4-5 g serving to take with the hemavol.

What do you all think? Any side effects to this? Do you all have any other suggestions to stack with hemavol (non-stim)?


Edit: Do you take all 6 g of CM pre workout, or spread it out through the day?

[cumminslifter]

why not just use citrulline if you arent impressed with hemoval?

[Ahmed81]

why not just use citrulline if you arent impressed with hemoval?

Gotta get rid of this tub somehow...

Lol, also taking into account the possibility that my tolerance is just higher, therefore it wouldn't be a knock on hemavol

[UncleWade]

How are you dosing your Hemavol? Maybe I can help your experience meet your expectations.

~6g of citrulline malate would be a nice addition, that gets you close to the studied 8g dose if you're using one scoop of Hemavol. If you're using more, adjust accordingly.

[Ahmed81]

How are you dosing your Hemavol?

1 scoop upon waking up on an empty stomach with 20 oz water. Train 20 minutes later

[Big_Spaz]

1 scoop upon waking up on an empty stomach with 20 oz water. Train 20 minutes later

20 minutes may not be enough time. Try taking it much earlier, maybe even 45 minutes pre-workout. Or at the absolute least, 30 minutes.




-Spaz

[Ahmed81]

20 minutes may not be enough time. Try taking it much earlier, maybe even 45 minutes pre-workout. Or at the absolute least, 30 minutes.




-Spaz

I should still notice an increased pump regardless though. More often than not, traffic would cause me to lift 30 minutes later as opposed to 20 anyway

[CDMMA]

Have you tried nitrates OP? If not you should check out iForce's Potassium Nitrate.

[erfayard]

Have you tried nitrates OP? If not you should check out iForce's Potassium Nitrate.

This. Hemavol + KnO3 + White Flood Reborn is my blend

[Ahmed81]

Have you tried nitrates OP? If not you should check out iForce's Potassium Nitrate.

I have not tried any nitrates yet, but based on my reading, most people preferred CM over PN

[cumminslifter]

I have not tried any nitrates yet, but based on my reading, most people preferred CM over PN

potassium nitrate will do you well.

[Ahmed81]

potassium nitrate will do you well.

250 g of Pure L-Citrulline Malate Bulk Powder for ~$17.... I don't see anything more cost efficient than that in PN

Or maybe I could stack the CM with the KNO3 and drop the hemavol.....Guess I'll have to give both a try to douse my curiosity

[iForce Dave]

So is that your only thing you are ingesting preworkout? it sounds like you just wake up, take it, then hit the gym? Am I reading that right?

[Ahmed81]

So is that your only thing you are ingesting preworkout? it sounds like you just wake up, take it, then hit the gym? Am I reading that right?

My commute to the gym is 20-30 min, I used to have a quest bar on the way there. I dropped that because I heard hemavol works best on a completely empty stomach, wanted to give it a chance to perform optimally. After 4 tries, I wasn't seeing the pump I had hoped for, so I added the quest bar back in after consuming the hemavol on an empty stomach. Still wasn't seeing results

[mnovotny85]

OP, this is the GOAT pre workout for pumps and endurance:

6-8 Grams Cit Mal
750 mg Agmatine
400 mg caffeine

Add about 16 oz of water and some Mio/water flavoring and drink on a somewhat empty stomach (I try not to eat at least 2 1/2 hrs before gym so it hits me harder). You can get all these bulk powders for less than $25 and it should last you about 3 months.

[iForce Dave]

My commute to the gym is 20-30 min, I used to have a quest bar on the way there. I dropped that because I heard hemavol works best on a completely empty stomach, wanted to give it a chance to perform optimally. After 4 tries, I wasn't seeing the pump I had hoped for, so I added the quest bar back in after consuming the hemavol on an empty stomach. Still wasn't seeing results

personally, i was never able to get a good pump when training fasted like that. I need a good amount of food in me or im just flat

you could add some citrulline malate, but I dont think its going to make that much of a difference to be honest.

and the quest bar is fiber and fats, all thats going to do is draw blood to the stomach

If I was going to add anything it would be some carbs but im not sure if that fits your goals

[Ahmed81]

personally, i was never able to get a good pump when training fasted like that. I need a good amount of food in me or im just flat

you could add some citrulline malate, but I dont think its going to make that much of a difference to be honest.

and the quest bar is fiber and fats, all thats going to do is draw blood to the stomach

If I was going to add anything it would be some carbs but im not sure if that fits your goals

I personally do have great vascularity, even when training fasted/no carbs PWO. I'm probably one of those people who needs 2 scoops of hemavol to see results, but that just becomes too pricey. I'll give the CM a try and see how that works.

Edit:

OP, this is the GOAT pre workout for pumps and endurance:

6-8 Grams Cit Mal
750 mg Agmatine
400 mg caffeine

Add about 16 oz of water and some Mio/water flavoring and drink on a somewhat empty stomach (I try not to eat at least 2 1/2 hrs before gym so it hits me harder). You can get all these bulk powders for less than $25 and it should last you about 3 months.

Thanks for your suggestion brah, but I'm looking for non-stim

[XCriticalBenchX]

1 scoop upon waking up on an empty stomach with 20 oz water. Train 20 minutes later

That is your issue, right there. Not enough water by any means. If you are going to be working out first thing in the morning, you are going to need to wake up, drink 20oz of water, and then 20-30 minutes later, drink your hemavol with 20-30oz of additional water.

Waking up and drinking only 20oz of water before working out, is next to no fluid volume for your body. I would be extremely flat with that little and not able to achieve any pump. Are there any days you workout later in the day? If so, try it then, I bet you would love it!

You are also carb depleted in the morning which makes it really hard to achieve a big pump.

Mike

[yourname2221]

That is your issue, right there. Not enough water by any means. If you are going to be working out first thing in the morning, you are going to need to wake up, drink 20oz of water, and then 20-30 minutes later, drink your hemavol with 20-30oz of additional water.

Waking up and drinking only 20oz of water before working out, is next to no fluid volume for your body. I would be extremely flat with that little and not able to achieve any pump. Are there any days you workout later in the day? If so, try it then, I bet you would love it!

You are also carb depleted in the morning which makes it really hard to achieve a big pump.

Mike

u always get me fully pumped in the morning

[thedarce]

you can try cit mal, depending on the scoop size an additional 3 grams should do the trick. i would honestly look into our Potassium Nitrates, while pumps usually take the front seat when it comes to nitrates, the improvement in performance is what i like the most.

[MMGtheSERB]

I take HeMaVoL with pretty much everything
fierce domination/nitraflex/c4 eXtreme/d-stunner/BullNox
it's pretty safe, you just don't wanna overdose on stimulants cuz you can even die from them

[carguy123]

That is your issue, right there. Not enough water by any means. If you are going to be working out first thing in the morning, you are going to need to wake up, drink 20oz of water, and then 20-30 minutes later, drink your hemavol with 20-30oz of additional water.

Waking up and drinking only 20oz of water before working out, is next to no fluid volume for your body. I would be extremely flat with that little and not able to achieve any pump. Are there any days you workout later in the day? If so, try it then, I bet you would love it!

You are also carb depleted in the morning which makes it really hard to achieve a big pump.

Mike

This is very valuable information OP....I was in the same boat as you but then I increased my H20 intake when I took Hemavol and it made a world of difference

[gwgtopshelf]

I need a lot of carbs before I workout. Wait 90 mins after your meal and take 1 scoop with 18 oz of water

[XCriticalBenchX]

That is your issue, right there. Not enough water by any means. If you are going to be working out first thing in the morning, you are going to need to wake up, drink 20oz of water, and then 20-30 minutes later, drink your hemavol with 20-30oz of additional water.

Waking up and drinking only 20oz of water before working out, is next to no fluid volume for your body. I would be extremely flat with that little and not able to achieve any pump. Are there any days you workout later in the day? If so, try it then, I bet you would love it!

You are also carb depleted in the morning which makes it really hard to achieve a big pump.

Mike

This is very valuable information OP....I was in the same boat as you but then I increased my H20 intake when I took Hemavol and it made a world of difference

Thanks for support. Everyone is to dehydrated and carb depleted in the morning to truly achieve a solid pump no matter how much they take of whatever. I could do the same pre-workout regimen, but the later in the day I work out, the more water I drink and eat throughout the day, the pumps grow an an exponential rate. I can get a pump in the AM, but it is nowhere near the same as later.

Mike

[bjo12]

If money was no issue I'd do

GMS, KNO3, Citrulline, ArA, Agmatine Sulfate

Have you tried nitrates OP? If not you should check out iForce's Potassium Nitrate.

[XCriticalBenchX]

If money was no issue I'd do

GMS, KNO3, Citrulline, ArA, Agmatine Sulfate

If money was no issue, I'd have Ara all day everyday! haha

[llahhsoj]

Hey all,

Looking to stack another supplement with my hemavol pre workout to help increase pumps and vascularity. I've been taking hemavol for 2 weeks now and I haven't been too impressed. Pumps aren't nearly as great as advertised. However, I have good vascularity/pumps to begin with, so perhaps I just have a higher tolerance. Taking 2 scoops of hemavol per session could get pricey, so I'm looking to stack something else with it. I've read about citrulline malate and it seems like it's a great pump supplement. Because hemavol already has 2.5 g of citrulline malate, I would only need a 4-5 g serving to take with the hemavol.

What do you all think? Any side effects to this? Do you all have any other suggestions to stack with hemavol (non-stim)?


Edit: Do you take all 6 g of CM pre workout, or spread it out through the day?

They go well together. I pretty much do that when I take at least two scoops of Nanovapor(has 8 grams at three scoops) with Hemavol.

[datderecreatine]

I should still notice an increased pump regardless though. More often than not, traffic would cause me to lift 30 minutes later as opposed to 20 anyway

Might be the problem. I use to drink my shake and than drive to the gym. Now I drink it right before I walk into the gym. I probably look crazy as hell drinking my shake like I haven't ate for years. But I feel it works better.

[datderecreatine]

OP, this is the GOAT pre workout for pumps and endurance:

6-8 Grams Cit Mal
750 mg Agmatine
400 mg caffeine

Add about 16 oz of water and some Mio/water flavoring and drink on a somewhat empty stomach (I try not to eat at least 2 1/2 hrs before gym so it hits me harder). You can get all these bulk powders for less than $25 and it should last you about 3 months.

Wow will try. Supplements are pricy

[bjo12]

Lol personally I rather steer away with ArA i'm suffering bad joints already :/

If money was no issue, I'd have Ara all day everyday! haha