How does the MISC feel about this? (pic) (feminism)

[rflores90]

There needs to be a distinction between the original feminist movement and the modern day feminist movement. The original movement had some legitimate gripes. Equal pay for EQUAL work. Can't discriminate against women, and not allowed to beat your wife etc. All of those have been pretty much accomplished.

But...ass holes are gonna ass hole. There will always be prejudice people in this world, no matter how many laws there are or campaigns against it. The modern movement is trying to legislate people's personal opinions and prejudices, which is impossible. The only thing that can change a person's prejudice is experiences... and right now their experiences aren't exactly what they need to change their opinion, now is it? The more modern feminists rage over stupid chit like robin thicke lyrics, the more it hurts the over all perception of women in general. Modern feminists have tipped the scales and its coming back full circle, and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

This exactly.
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[AryanManmoreBDD]

[dabbmw2002]

Lmfao notice Conceptions ignoring my post about how men were subjugated by making them work FAR past the regular human capacity with minimal pay, not only that but FORCING them to go kill each other in pointless wars that they had no interest in.

Oh, but again, women had it AWFUL....humans in general weren't treated like disposal pieces of trash by the monarchy elite....IT WAS JUST WOMEN!!!!!

This

The mistake people make is to look at feminism, and other rights groups (NAACP, GLAAD) and not recognize that it is part of a larger philosophical movement - marxism. That doesn't mean that there wasn't good things they achieved, however, if we can look at the larger picture we can see that the true goals were not equality. 2014 and people are as divided as ever. Mission accomplished global elite. congrats on dividing and conquering, the oldest trick in the book.

Ever wonder why the founders of these movements were all Marxist?

[NVious]

This

The mistake people make is to look at feminism, and other rights groups (NAACP, GLAAD) and not recognize that it is part of a larger philosophical movement - marxism. That doesn't mean that there wasn't good things they achieved, however, if we can look at the larger picture we can see that the true goals were not equality. 2014 and people are as divided as ever. Mission accomplished global elite. congrats on dividing and conquering, the oldest trick in the book.

Divide and conquer.

Machiavelli would be proud.

Blacks vs whites
Women vs men
Religious vs atheist
Fat vs fit
Young vs old
Rich vs poor

Keep them fighting within each other and they'll never stop to look at who's REALLY pulling the strings.

The way this is done is through making sure that EACH group has BS to deal with and funding both sides of the fight as they've done for so long.

[Acal83]

Because women had no legal entity, among other things, and the movement that gave it to them is frequently degraded (mostly by the people who feel that giving women legal entity takes away some of their own, when really "ownership" over another human being was entitlement-- not a right-- in the first place).

I'd say it is fairly obvious. You belong to a social group that has had a tenuous right to freedoms in the past and still struggles with discrimination based on factors beyond control, and the majority feels that the movement that signifies your rights is laughable-- does this make you upset?



You're basing your estimation of an large-scale social and intellectual movement on tumblr and memes. Who is emotional and flawed?

Ive read plenty from proponents of feminism who dont use tumblr or memes... I was referencing the picture because that is what the thread is about.

[AestheticNoz]

I did a report last year on women working within the patriarchal belt last year (Parts of Asia/The Middle East) and women in North America are extremely well off by comparison. The fact that they think they're suppressed and need feminism because they are living in a patriarchal society is laughable. Women like this are just insatiable and always need an outlet (in this case men) to take their anger out on.

[Beararms]

There needs to be a distinction between the original feminist movement and the modern day feminist movement. The original movement had some legitimate gripes. Equal pay for EQUAL work. Can't discriminate against women, and not allowed to beat your wife etc. All of those have been pretty much accomplished.

But...ass holes are gonna ass hole. There will always be prejudice people in this world, no matter how many laws there are or campaigns against it. The modern movement is trying to legislate people's personal opinions and prejudices, which is impossible. The only thing that can change a person's prejudice is experiences... and right now their experiences aren't exactly what they need to change their opinion, now is it? The more modern feminists rage over stupid chit like robin thicke lyrics, the more it hurts the over all perception of women in general. Modern feminists have tipped the scales and its coming back full circle, and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Sums up my thoughts completely

[Imgonnabeamisc]

Lmfao notice Conceptions ignoring my post about how men were subjugated by making them work FAR past the regular human capacity with minimal pay, not only that but FORCING them to go kill each other in pointless wars that they had no interest in.

Oh, but again, women had it AWFUL....humans in general weren't treated like disposal pieces of trash by the monarchy elite....IT WAS JUST WOMEN!!!!!

Conceptions is the biggest troll on misc. I doubt "she" is even really a girl srs.

[400Lb Gorilla]

Modern feminists are typically allies to the LGBT and other minority populations. And yes, father's rights are important. Gender roles don't hurt just women-- they stereotype fathers as less caring and capable of being primary childcare providers than mothers (although it is statistically still the case that women are the primary providers).

It's hard to discuss this with the misc because most will label anything they don't about women like as "feminism" while getting all their information about it from posters who cull angry rants from random women's blogs. Feminism is-- on the whole (because it isn't like there's a feminist headquarters or anything)-- about equality and not about bringing men down at all. It's only "bringing men down" if you actually believe that you deserve another human being as a sandwich maker for life etc.

I don't believe in infringing on individual's rights. I posted in another thread yesterday that feminism is just the tabula rasa to live your life according to your own desires unhindered. If you don't want to see the toilet seat up, then get separate bathrooms.

The word "feminism" itself isn't uncontroversial. People have been suggesting changes to it for a long time.
Because equality can't be made by law. It's about a lot of cultural interaction and ingrained prejudices, see the motherhood penalty for example.



There's absolutely no hypocrisy in it. That is literally the dictionary definition. If you don't understand that then... you're probably a conspiracy theorist too.

First off it is hard to discuss anything with the misc. especially if it is in reference to women
Second the ingrained prejudices are probably not going to go away anytime soon as far as the relationship between the sexes are concerned. and this gets worse when you are talking about career and workplace.
Third while the definition of "Feminism" has not changed, the public perception of it has. this is by far more important than the literary definition of the word. Where as feminism was originally a movement that got IMPORTANT shiet done for the equality of women, modern feminists have pretty much ruined the image and perception of the movement, thereby making it an even bigger challenge for women(especially career minded women) to be taken as seriously as their male counterparts

Also keep in mind that the prejudice works the other way too. Men are expected to get a job/career and support a family of his own. If his wife were to make more than him and he wanted to quit his job to be a stay at home dad he is looked upon as weak or inept. Women can choose either option of being a stay at home mom or a career woman(or a combo of both) and not only are they not ridiculed but are lauded for their choice no matter what(except by other women lol)

There needs to be a distinction between the original feminist movement and the modern day feminist movement. The original movement had some legitimate gripes. Equal pay for EQUAL work. Can't discriminate against women, and not allowed to beat your wife etc. All of those have been pretty much accomplished.

But...ass holes are gonna ass hole. There will always be prejudice people in this world, no matter how many laws there are or campaigns against it. The modern movement is trying to legislate people's personal opinions and prejudices, which is impossible. The only thing that can change a person's prejudice is experiences... and right now their experiences aren't exactly what they need to change their opinion, now is it? The more modern feminists rage over stupid chit like robin thicke lyrics, the more it hurts the over all perception of women in general. Modern feminists have tipped the scales and its coming back full circle, and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

True statement ^

[conceptions]

There needs to be a distinction between the original feminist movement and the modern day feminist movement. The original movement had some legitimate gripes. Equal pay for EQUAL work. Can't discriminate against women, and not allowed to beat your wife etc. All of those have been pretty much accomplished.

But...ass holes are gonna ass hole. There will always be prejudice people in this world, no matter how many laws there are or campaigns against it. The modern movement is trying to legislate people's personal opinions and prejudices, which is impossible. The only thing that can change a person's prejudice is experiences... and right now their experiences aren't exactly what they need to change their opinion, now is it? The more modern feminists rage over stupid chit like robin thicke lyrics, the more it hurts the over all perception of women in general. Modern feminists have tipped the scales and its coming back full circle, and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

smh

You realize that by reducing the current shape of it to issues over "robin thicke lyrics" (perhaps the only part that you're aware of) that you're only hurting other women and yourself?

Lmfao notice Conceptions ignoring my post about how men were subjugated by making them work FAR past the regular human capacity with minimal pay, not only that but FORCING them to go kill each other in pointless wars that they had no interest in.

Oh, but again, women had it AWFUL....humans in general weren't treated like disposal pieces of trash by the monarchy elite....IT WAS JUST WOMEN!!!!!

I have to reply to posters who seem... well, I'll be nice and not say it. You bring up wars, ignoring the fact that women haven't been allowed to fight in wars, and other irrelevant points. We're not talking about the dark ages of peasants where nobody had any rights. If you think all women, throughout time, were 18th c. aristocratic wives who sat and ate cakes while their husbands labored, then you're mistaken. Women have always constituted a significant domestic labor force that has been largely unpaid and unrecognized.

Who is forcing wars on whom?

First off it is hard to discuss anything with the misc. especially if it is in reference to women
Second the ingrained prejudices are probably not going to go away anytime soon as far as the relationship between the sexes are concerned. and this gets worse when you are talking about career and workplace.
Third while the definition of "Feminism" has not changed, the public perception of it has. this is by far more important than the literary definition of the word. Where as feminism was originally a movement that got IMPORTANT shiet done for the equality of women, modern feminists have pretty much ruined the image and perception of the movement, thereby making it an even bigger challenge for women(especially career minded women) to be taken as seriously as their male counterparts

Also keep in mind that the prejudice works the other way too. Men are expected to get a job/career and support a family of his own. If his wife were to make more than him and he wanted to quit his job to be a stay at home dad he is looked upon as weak or inept. Women can choose either option of being a stay at home mom or a career woman(or a combo of both) and not only are they not ridiculed but are lauded for their choice no matter what(except by other women lol)

I've only seen this perception in posts on the misc that include screenshots of fb posts and similar. Where are you seeing this "modern feminism"? I have a hard time believing that this isn't your individual bias as someone who has been exposed to too many misc threads-- it's only natural that that would be your impression of "public" perception. You could take a look at it for yourself. It isn't what you think it is.

Re: your second paragraph-- that is prejudice that feminists would like to do away with. Forcing men should have a good career to support a family doesn't help women, it makes them seem less capable.

[3inchPianist]

you want equality bitch?? next time you can spend all day cutting firewood and change the timing belt in my truck while youre out there

[Skarm]

How can feminism be for gender equality when its such a gender biased word? It's literally got "fem" in it.
Egalitarianism is about gender equality, feminism is about getting as much for females as possible.

Would feminists change their name to "menists" or "masculinists", even if the purported aim of the organisation was to be about generating gender equality?

[BenD4Me]

Translation: the point of feminism is equality in a society that has historically oppressed and undervalued women as free autonomous individuals. The fact that the name of such a movement is a dirty word means that we still live in that kind of society-- it's not enough that things are the way they are, but women should also be shamed for identifying with anything that would better their situation.

so lets hear about how oppressed you are personally

[shweatyballs]

I have to reply to posters who seem... well, I'll be nice and not say it. You bring up wars, ignoring the fact that women haven't been allowed to fight in wars, and other irrelevant points. We're not talking about the dark ages of peasants where nobody had any rights. If you think all women, throughout time, were 18th c. aristocratic wives who sat and ate cakes while their husbands labored, then you're mistaken. Women have always constituted a significant domestic labor force that has been largely unpaid and unrecognized.

Who is forcing wars on whom?

Hey gorgeous, i'm heading to bed now. if you have any other questions feel free to shoot me a PM and I will get back to ya first thing in the morning.

i won't be able to monitor the thread anymore, so if any of these knuckleheads give you a hard time let me know and i will deal with it *pinky promise*

goodnight m'lady

[sirbeast]

Pissening

[conceptions]

How can feminism be for gender equality when its such a gender biased word? It's literally got "fem" in it.
Egalitarianism is about gender equality, feminism is about getting as much for females as possible.

Would feminists change their name to "menists" or "masculinists", even if the purported aim of the organisation was to be about generating gender equality?

Because women were/are the disadvantaged party. Racial equality institutions aren't going to suddenly change their name to something white/majority-centered just because they agree in equality. Although it is interesting that you would feel more comfortable having the movement named after your own gender...

Bill Gates has worked all of his life. His net worth? $76 Billion.

conceptions has worked all of her life. Her net worth? $8500.

F#cking patriarchy at work yet again, keeping da wimminz down.

If you can't keep up, then don't post. No need for insults, although you insult like a miscer so it isn't so bad.

[NVious]

smh

You realize that by reducing the current shape of it to issues over "robin thicke lyrics" (perhaps the only part that you're aware of) that you're only hurting other women and yourself?



I have to reply to posters who seem... well, I'll be nice and not say it. You bring up wars, ignoring the fact that women haven't been allowed to fight in wars, and other irrelevant points. We're not talking about the dark ages of peasants where nobody had any rights. If you think all women, throughout time, were 18th c. aristocratic wives who sat and ate cakes while their husbands labored, then you're mistaken. Women have always constituted a significant domestic labor force that has been largely unpaid and unrecognized.

Who is forcing wars on whom?

LMFAO and now that they're "allowed," they're signing up by the millions!!! Oh wait....

Oh and I'm sure if they were allowed, they'd def prefer seeing their friends die, having to kill people who haven't harmed you and dealing with PTSD than staying at home tending a house.

Your final point on not receiving far wages....Men have built this ENTIRE world and for the large majority of history been INCREDIBLY underpaid for it (if paid AT ALL) while being worked INFINITELY harder than the average housewife.

Feminism=modern day racism.

If you were a rational human being, you'd see how ALL sub sects of society are subjugated to violence (whether it be physical/emotional/mental) in their own way. Then again you fail to see the bigger picture and you legitimately think that women had it worse during history.

A TRUE person making a stand would see the Machiavellian tactics employed to divide and conquer people, one of the biggest one being men vs women and would call themselves a HUMANIST. Instead like many, you get wrapped up in your ego/identity and this is tied to something you had NOTHING to do with (being born a female) and begin to identify as a smaller part of the larger group, never actually realizing who the REAL enemies are.

[DjinnMarie]

smh

You realize that by reducing the current shape of it to issues over "robin thicke lyrics" (perhaps the only part that you're aware of) that you're only hurting other women and yourself?



I have to reply to posters who seem... well, I'll be nice and not say it. You bring up wars, ignoring the fact that women haven't been allowed to fight in wars, and other irrelevant points. We're not talking about the dark ages of peasants where nobody had any rights. If you think all women, throughout time, were 18th c. aristocratic wives who sat and ate cakes while their husbands labored, then you're mistaken. Women have always constituted a significant domestic labor force that has been largely unpaid and unrecognized.

Who is forcing wars on whom?



I've only seen this perception in posts on the misc that include screenshots of fb posts and similar. Where are you seeing this "modern feminism"? I have a hard time believing that this isn't your individual bias as someone who has been exposed to too many misc threads-- it's only natural that that would be your impression of "public" perception. You could take a look at it for yourself. It isn't what you think it is.

Re: your second paragraph-- that is prejudice that feminists would like to do away with. Forcing men should have a good career to support a family doesn't help women, it makes them seem less capable.

Your reading comprehension is off. I said STUPID CHIT LIKE robin thicke lyrics. I am well aware that there is still prejudice against women. I have experienced it myself. But instead of rattling my saber, I choose to stay classy, politely nod, and go on about my day. Why? Because like I said... ass holes are gonna *******. There is nothing I can say and there is no law I can get passed that will change that person's mind, other than show him through my actions. Maybe he will wise up, maybe he won't.

There will always be somebody who won't hire me simply because I have a vagina. I'm certainly not going to MAKE him hire me. Why would I want to contribute to his business if he is so misguided? Let him hire the less qualified male, and in return let his business suffer because of it. I'd rather lend my expertise to somebody who doesn't have such preconceived notions.

[JustSaiyanBro]

Because women had no legal entity, among other things, and the movement that gave it to them is frequently degraded (mostly by the people who feel that giving women legal entity takes away some of their own, when really "ownership" over another human being was entitlement-- not a right-- in the first place).

I'd say it is fairly obvious. You belong to a social group that has had a tenuous right to freedoms in the past and still struggles with discrimination based on factors beyond control, and the majority feels that the movement that signifies your rights is laughable-- does this make you upset?



You're basing your estimation of an large-scale social and intellectual movement on tumblr and memes. Who is emotional and flawed?

Cliffs: Feminists gladly accept anything positive associated with their cause, but artfully dodge anything negative and say that those are not 'real feminists'.

The feminist movement has been too completely poisoned to be salvaged as a philosophy.

[squeak419]

the word feminist has a weird connotation because every other day a group of clams get together and become "outraged" at a new issue that doesnt matter

you know how google always has little drawings and illustrations above the search bar on google.com? yeah, feminists are outraged that those little tiny doodles dont represent women enough. a group of feminists actually analyzed the little drawings and then claimed google is sexist because there wasnt enough women in these drawings on google.com. thats just one example of the bat**** craziness that is the modern day feminist

edit:

actual proof of crazy feminsts

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/02/just...ender_problem/

These feminists wonder why no one takes them seriously and they pull this chit..

They are digging their own grave

[hermanmunster2]

I read it 4x and still fukin lost too bro. And its annoying me that its missing the apostrophes and that EVERYTHING IS IN CAPS.

Grammar is a tool that the patriarchy uses to oppress women and minorities.

[Ratfish]

photoshop should lockout users whose BMI is above 30

[rugbybosher]

These feminists wonder why no one takes them seriously and they pull this chit..

They are digging their own grave

Feminists gonna feminst, solution for an "equal number of female CEOs", brb quotas for private companies boardrooms or else you get delisted from the stock exchange....

[Barteh]

Lmfao notice Conceptions ignoring my post about how men were subjugated by making them work FAR past the regular human capacity with minimal pay, not only that but FORCING them to go kill each other in pointless wars that they had no interest in.

Oh, but again, women had it AWFUL....humans in general weren't treated like disposal pieces of trash by the monarchy elite....IT WAS JUST WOMEN!!!!!

Don't you know brah, women are the real victims of war.

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."

Quote by Hilary Clinton, most likely next in line to be the usa president.

[LashGordon]

Translation: the point of feminism is equality in a society that has historically oppressed and undervalued women as free autonomous individuals. The fact that the name of such a movement is a dirty word means that we still live in that kind of society-- it's not enough that things are the way they are, but women should also be shamed for identifying with anything that would better their situation.

Lettuce beef cereal... Before feminism women were valued properly.

Today they are highly overvalued.

[conceptions]

Your reading comprehension is off. I said STUPID CHIT LIKE robin thicke lyrics. I am well aware that there is still prejudice against women. I have experienced it myself. But instead of rattling my saber, I choose to stay classy, politely nod, and go on about my day. Why? Because like I said... ass holes are gonna *******. There is nothing I can say and there is no law I can get passed that will change that person's mind, other than show him through my actions. Maybe he will wise up, maybe he won't.

There will always be somebody who won't hire me simply because I have a vagina. I'm certainly not going to MAKE him hire me. Why would I want to contribute to his business if he is so misguided? Let him hire the less qualified male, and in return let his business suffer because of it. I'd rather lend my expertise to somebody who doesn't have such preconceived notions.

Yes, but highlighting the stupid chit and then being apathetic about the rest doesn't help anyone.

Cliffs: Feminists gladly accept anything positive associated with their cause, but artfully dodge anything negative and say that those are not 'real feminists'.

The feminist movement has been too completely poisoned to be salvaged as a philosophy.

That woman is ridiculous and has no accreditation, as far as I can recall. Nobody takes her seriously. But she's on youtube, so you believe everything she says, which is typical I guess.

[JustSaiyanBro]

93% of work place deaths are male.

The vast majority of war related deaths are male.

Men get significantly worse sentences for the same crimes as female counterparts.

Feminist complain about female circumcision, don't give a sh!t about male circumcision. etc. etc. etc.

Men have to sign in to selective service at 18 and agree to potential drafting, women have to do none of that either.

Oh and the reason most products are marketed to women? Women spend the lion share of the money in the United States, regardless of whether they earned it or not.

That woman is ridiculous and has no accreditation

Great argument/10

You are very obviously too brainwashed to be reasoned with.

[Dreambulker]

Master gender checking in

[TheLastAlpha]

Divide and conquer.

Machiavelli would be proud.

Blacks vs whites
Women vs men
Religious vs atheist
Fat vs fit
Young vs old
Rich vs poor

Keep them fighting within each other and they'll never stop to look at who's REALLY pulling the strings.

The way this is done is through making sure that EACH group has BS to deal with and funding both sides of the fight as they've done for so long.

Wat? So you're saying that whoever is "pulling the strings" is somehow intentionally pitting these groups against each other? Do you even have evidence for this? Of course you're going to find racial and religious groups fighting against each other but that's human nature and has been going on forever. And I'd argue that the situation has gotten a lot better and is continuing to do so.

[JT175]

LOL coneptions ooooh you can't bring up war because women weren't allowed in combat roles. Ok lets look at the fact that women are allowed in combat, but now the physical requirements have to be lowered for them to pass. Equality at work.