The New Christian Thread 3

[lasher]

Part 2 closed. Part 3 begins.

I've put together some resources I think might be helpful for those seeking detailed information about the Christian faith. If anyone has any suggestions for additional resources please feel free to chime in.


Apologetics Websites

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/ - The apologetics Ministry of Dr. William Lane Craig. (focuses on evidential apologetics)
http://www.reasons.org/ - The apologetics Ministry of Dr. Hugh Ross. (focuses on science and Christianity)
http://www.rzim.org/ - The apologetics Ministry of Dr. Ravi Zacharias
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/ - Apologetics Ministry of David Wood which responds to claims about Christianity made by Islamic apologists.
http://www.risenjesus.com/ The apologetics Ministry of Dr. Mike Licona (focuses on the history of the resurrection)
http://www.aomin.org/ The apologetics Ministry of Dr. James White
http://www.tektonics.org/
http://www.vincentcheung.com/library/ This site has a large series of free books on systematic theology, apologetics, and much more. Good stuff.
http://www.catholic.com/browse/Apologetics/all/all/all - Catholic Answers Live apologetics outreach.


Podcasts

Unbelievable? – Hosted by Justin Brierly with Premier Christian Radio
Unbelievable? is a UK-based public radio program, which airs every Saturday afternoon with an occasional podcast posting mid-week. Justin brings in several leading scholars in theological and philosophical matters and they debate and dialogue particular issues ranging from ethics, comparative religions, the existence of God, science, doctrinal differences, and current events. http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable

Defenders – Hosted by William Lane Craig with Reasonable Faith.
This podcast is an audio recording of William Lane Craig’s class at Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Atlanta, GA. The purpose of the class is to equip the laity with sound doctrine and apologetics. The whole course takes about five years to exhaust and is intellectually and spiritually engaging. http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/...ain#defenders2

The Dividing Line – Hosted by James White with Alpha and Omega Ministries. James White offers an amazing podcast centered around a Reformed theological perspective on debates, current events, and other theological issues.
http://aomin.org/articles/webcast.html

Reasonable Faith – Hosted by Kevin Harris and William Lane Craig
This podcast is conversationally based where Kevin interviews Craig about apologetic issues.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/...asting_main#rf

I Didn’t Know That – Hosted by Joe Aguirre with Reasons to Believe. This podcast is listener based where listeners email in their questions and the scholar team at Reasons to Believe (Hugh Ross, Jeff Zweerink, Fuzz Rana, Ken Samples, et al.) answer the questions. http://www.reasons.org/resources/rad...-podcasts/idkt

In Our Time – Hosted by Melvyn Bragg. This podcast is based out of the *** 4, which delves into mathematical, scientific, and philosophical inquiries. http://www.***.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/

Apologetics315 Apologist Interview – Hosted Brian Auten. This is a series of podcasts where Auten interviews some of the leading scholars in the area of philosophy and theology. http://feeds.feedburner.com/Apologetics315Interviews

Let My People Think - Ravi Zacharias
http://www.rzim.org/let-my-people-think-broadcasts/

Catholic Answers - Catholic Answers Live, hosted by Patrick Coffin, is a daily, two-hour radio program dedicated to Catholic apologetics and evangelization.
http://www.catholic.com/radio/podcast

Ancient Faith Radio - A ton of excellent podcasts on the orthodox faith. (our life in christ is particularly good)
http://www.ancientfaith.com/

Blogs

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/ - Edward Feser's blog of jimmies
http://mereorthodoxy.com

Other

http://www.firstthings.com/ - First Things is an ecumenical journal focused on creating a "religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society".

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWWeT-LcpA85I2edobmf41w - A collection of videos from a fantastic line up of scholars (Witherington, Brock, Wallace, Licona & more) refuting the claims of bart Ehrman.

http://www.fisheaters.com/ - Traditional Catholic site (it's pretty interesting). From their about us section: The purpose of this site is to bring souls to the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church -- the Church headed by Christ and built on the rock of St. Peter, the Church against which the gates of Hell will never prevail.

http://oca.org/ - The website for the Orthodox Church in America. They have excellent sections on doctrine and faith (http://oca.org/orthodoxy)

http://www.ccel.org/ - Christian Classics Ethereal Library, great site, has many classic christian writings for free (the confessions, city of God, summa theologia, Schaff's history of the church + a ton more)

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...les/zeitgeist/ - Refutation of that retarded documentary, Zeitgeist.

http://librivox.org/ - Audio books on a number of classical Christian works. Eusebius's history of the church, Augustine's Confessions & much more.

[GreatOldOne]

In to spy on Christians.

[Myriad88]

first.


aww helll yeah.


EDIT: Third.

[GreatOldOne]

first.


aww helll yeah.


EDIT: Third.

Lol...Somebody didn't have your back.

[lasher]

Lol...Somebody didn't have your back.

That's a poverty Gabriel.

[DizzySmalls]

In on first page

Spot sold to Center Lake Bible Camp

[Spartan5364]

[MuscleXtreme]

Sup brahs

[Harbinger]

Continued from the last thread.
http://carm.org/paul-authority

[lasher]

Continued from the last thread.
http://carm.org/paul-authority

CARM is for potatoes. But even they get it right.

The Ultimate Authority
Even though Paul had approval from the eyewitnesses of Jesus' life, nevertheless, Paul claimed that his ultimate authority did not come from humans, but directly from Christ's revelation to him:

"For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11-12)."

Paul himself saw Jesus via revelation on his encounter on the road to Damascus (Acts 9, 22, 26) in which Christ revealed Himself to Paul . He was an eyewitness in the sense of having seen Jesus after his death (1 Cor. 9:1). Therefore, Paul certainly had the authority to teach and preach the Gospel.

[MuscleXtreme]

Poor Maximos, subscribes to the Christian thread on its last page. Then it becomes locked.

[DizzySmalls]

Lasher, I think I asked you this once before, but do you have a recommendation for an intro book on logic that would touch on most of the basics?

[Harbinger]

CARM is for potatoes. But even they get it right.

All apologetics is for potatoes except the one you choose to believe in. Paul meet jesus as a bright light and voice, today those people are medicated.

[MaximosJ]

Poor Maximos, subscribes to the Christian thread on its last page. Then it becomes locked.

lol, this

[GreatOldOne]

All apologetics is for potatoes except the one you choose to believe in. Paul meet jesus as a bright light and voice, today those people are medicated.

It's because Satan runs the world now.

[lasher]

All apologetics is for potatoes except the one you choose to believe in.

Nah

Paul meet jesus as a bright light and voice, today those people are medicated.

Meh

[lasher]

Lasher, I think I asked you this once before, but do you have a recommendation for an intro book on logic that would touch on most of the basics?

I just use my textbook from college (http://www.amazon.com/Logic-Philosop.../dp/0495601586). That's probably a bit pricey. Myriad would have better recommendations, or maximosJ.

[Harbinger]

Nah

Then you should be Muslim or Baha'i

[lasher]

Then you should Muslim or Baha'i

No I shouldn't

[Harbinger]

No I shouldn't

Yep

[Fiyero]

lasher, I studied a semester of Latin in college. It's honestly my favorite language ever invented (Italian obviously being my favorite living language). I just think it sounds awesome. However, it's a difficult language. Stupid declensions systems.

[MaximosJ]

I just use my textbook from college (http://www.amazon.com/Logic-Philosop.../dp/0495601586). That's probably a bit pricey. Myriad would have better recommendations, or maximosJ.

That one looks good, though I've never read it myself. Pretty much any introductory logic textbook is going to cover the same (or mostly the same) material, so there isn't any book that really stands out to me as the best in this category.

The textbook lasher mentioned looks like it focuses mostly on the formal systems and less on informal reasoning. If you're more interested in the latter, or in a book that covers both the informal and the formal reasoning more equally, two good ones that I'm aware of are Patrick Hurley's A Concise Introduction to Logic and Richard Feldman's Reason and Argument.

[DizzySmalls]

That one looks good, though I've never read it myself. Pretty much any introductory logic textbook is going to cover the same (or mostly the same) material, so there isn't any book that really stands out to me as the best in this category.

The textbook lasher mentioned looks like it focuses mostly on the formal systems and less on informal reasoning. If you're more interested in the latter, or in a book that covers both the informal and the formal reasoning more equally, two good ones that I'm aware of are Patrick Hurley's A Concise Introduction to Logic and Richard Feldman's Reason and Argument.

Found a good ebook of this one, thanks

[TranceNRG]

In on 1st page.
BAM!

[MuscleXtreme]

lasher, I studied a semester of Latin in college. It's honestly my favorite language ever invented (Italian obviously being my favorite living language). I just think it sounds awesome. However, it's a difficult language. Stupid declensions systems.

Have you taken a shot at German by chance? I'm curious to know how similar the Latin declensions are to German? I hate the Dative case. ..

[MaximosJ]

Have you taken a shot at German by chance? I'm curious to know how similar the Latin declensions are to German? I hate the Dative case. ..

Latin has six standard cases (rarely, some older Latin also uses a seventh, locative case): Nominative, Vocative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, and Ablative. The ablative case has lots of sub-types: ablative of means, ablative of origin, ablative of agent, etc. Don't know to what extent that answers your questions.

Latin is an awesome, logical language. If you like solving puzzles, you'll like translating.

[MuscleXtreme]

How would one introduce oneself in Koine Greek?

I saw that "ego eimi" means "I am"

So could you introducr yourself as - ego eimi Fred? Ego eimi Sally?

[Fiyero]

Have you taken a shot at German by chance? I'm curious to know how similar the Latin declensions are to German? I hate the Dative case. ..

I haven't done German yet, it's on my list though. I have done some basic Russian which has 6 cases. Dative is supposedly one of the easier cases to form in Russian. It refers mainly to cases relating to giving something "to" someone.


Latin uses the Dative in a similar way. Other constructions of Latin dative relate to things with adjectives like "similar to", "useful to", etc.

Ille videtur par esse deo - that man seems to be equal to a god. deo is in the dative.

Latin like Russian, has 6 cases. I believe German has only 4.

In Russian, I think Genitive is the hardest case, but it's still too confusing for me to really grasp it.

[TranceNRG]

Now back to business.

And doctrine was set from the start not through debate a la councils but through war like, for example, the widow of Muhammad, Aisha, leading thousands of men against the Caliphate Ali. This in effect established who was the authentic chain of command, and divergent teachings in Islam between Sunni and Shia have derived from this (Battle of the Camel). I would imagine that different hadiths considered either heretical or authentic, depending on whether one's sunni or shia, which seem to contribute to doctrinal interpretation of Islam, stem from incidents like these.

No problem bro. I added a paragraph about the Battle of the Camel drawing a connection to hadiths and so on. I am curious why a Muslim today would support Aisha or, alternatively, Ali in this dispute? In other words, on what basis is one right or wrong?

Also do you foresee any way in which Shia and Sunni might reconcile?

I can see your perspective.

However, I think there's an important difference.
In case of Christianity and these councils, the dogma was unknown prior to these councils.
Whereas, in Islam, neither side claim that these wars led to the formation and determination of doctrines.
Of course, indirectly, accepting the false or weak chain of transmissions can and does lead to misguided doctrines.

That specific battle did not occur because doctrines were unknown.
Both sides agree on who was wrong, because that one side went against the rules.
However, the differences diverge after accepting that fact. One group declares that innocent mistakes were committed. The other group claims that even if innocent mistakes were made, trust is lost and those who made such mistakes with dire consequences cannot be accepted as reliable narrators anymore.

[MaximosJ]

How would one introduce oneself in Koine Greek?

I saw that "ego eimi" means "I am"

So could you introducr yourself as - ego eimi Fred? Ego eimi Sally?

Not entirely sure about this. I think you probably could say that, but it might (mostly conjecture here) be more typical to say "My name is Fred" or "My name is Sally" rather than "I am Fred" or "I am Sally."

There are lots of "ego eimi X" constructions in the New Testament -- e.g., "εγω ειμι ο αρτος της ζωης" (I am the bread of life), "εγω ειμι η οδος και η αληθεια και η ζωη" (I am the way, the truth, and the life), etc., etc. Off the top of my head, I don't know that you ever find it with a name, though (as in "εγω ειμι Fred"). One example where you find "My name is X" rather than "I am X" is when the demon "Legion" introduces himself (albeit after being asked his name) by saying, "λεγιων ονομα μοι" (my name is Legion -- translated literally, I think this is "Legion [is the] name for me").