ATG squatting and strength. Benefits? (depth pics)

[Kbooey]

Forgot to say nice form in the ATG squat pic op. How much weight is that?

Cheers

160kg back squats x 3 and 100kg front squats x 5

front squats are hardasfok

What type of serious lifters are you talking about? Every serious oly weightlifter/powerlifters that I know squat heavy ass weight with good forms.

Define "good forms"

[paradux]

Cheers

160kg back squats x 3 and 100kg front squats x 5

front squats are hardasfok



Define "good forms"

No excessive bouncing like how some of the retarded american weightlifters squat and very controlled from start to finish.

For example



as opposed to this

[JustSaiyanBro]

What type of serious lifters are you talking about? Every serious oly weightlifter/powerlifters that I know squat heavy ass weight with good forms.

Squats were not invented by some kinesiologist in order to emphasize safety and future mobility.

It was an exercise pioneered by gym monsters looking to lift some heavy ass weight.

Am I saying don't do them? Of course not, but don't stick your head in the sand either.

[Steve J0bs]

is it necessary to wear knee sleeve if you atg squat? will it benefit me in the long run?

[paradux]

Squats were not invented by some kinesiologist in order to emphasize safety and future mobility.

It was an exercise pioneered by gym monsters looking to lift some heavy ass weight.

So once again, what kind of 'every serious lifters' are you talking about that don't squat? Every 'serious lifters' (including natty bodybuilders) that I know squat relatively heavy despite the risk of injury cause they fully know there are not many other exercises that can replace squat for your leg development.

[JustSaiyanBro]

So once again, what kind of 'every serious lifters' are you talking about that don't squat? Every 'serious lifters' (including natty bodybuilders) that I know squat relatively heavy despite the risk of injury cause they fully know there are not many other exercises that can replace squat for your leg development.

Reread my post. I said serious, dedicated lifters that I know personally, that are older, as in 30's 40's and 50's have all told me they have either given up on squats or take them very easy and do them sparingly.

They all say the same thing, did squats for 20 plus years with monster weight, had to stop after knee/back injury x, y, or z.

Am I saying all serious lifters should not do them? No, but I am noticing a trend here.

[zakatak333]

holy shhhh

deep as fugg

[FijiSotia]

atg

How the fuk do you even do this ****, srs somebody teach me to squat/ stretch right to get atg like Klokov (in oly shoes obvs)

[Johnnyfalcon731]

Ive seen both Gains in strength and size doing ATG .. I'm sure you can work the muscle still going parallel.. Problem is people usually cheat themselves and end up doing quarter reps or good mornings ..

[paradux]

How the fuk do you even do this ****, srs somebody teach me to squat/ stretch right to get atg like Klokov (in oly shoes obvs)

It's not just flexibility. You need to have the right body type to have that 'atg looking' squat. For example, look at the video I posted of lu xiaojun squatting. That is ATG for him but it does not look as deep as Klokov's squat although Lu is probably more flexible than Klokov. This is due to his short femur in proportion to his height which prevents him from achieving that upper hamstring to calves deep squat.

[NigelThornberry]

Squats were not invented by some kinesiologist in order to emphasize safety and future mobility.

It was an exercise pioneered by gym monsters looking to lift some heavy ass weight.

Am I saying don't do them? Of course not, but don't stick your head in the sand either.

I strongly disagree, the squat (when done properly) was never invented by anyone. The squat is an innate human movement, same as picking up something off the ground (deadlift), running and walking.

In fact it does emphasize safety and future mobility when performed correctly. My position on squats is to go as deeply as possible whilst maintaining correct form. (neutral spine, hips externally rotated, arches un-collapsed and positive shin angle)

[GetHimABodyBag]

You need to do prehab work.

Knee pain= can be from the quads (try smashing and rolling the quads just above the knees), muscular imbalances, or lack of mobility

ATG takes the pressure away from the knees and transfers it to the posterior chain to get out the hole, above parallel is quads.

These has beens you see in the gym who do not squat probably did not do any sort of maintenance or prehab work, and highly likely did not have had good depth to begin with (which explains there poverty knees)

[TnukPunch]

It's not just flexibility. You need to have the right body type to have that 'atg looking' squat. For example, look at the video I posted of lu xiaojun squatting. That is ATG for him but it does not look as deep as Klokov's squat although Lu is probably more flexible than Klokov. This is due to his short femur in proportion to his height which prevents him from achieving that upper hamstring to calves deep squat.

He can go much deeper than that:

The Chinese lifters all squat like that for some reason.

[NigelThornberry]

He can go much deeper than that:

The Chinese lifters all squat like that for some reason.

I believe the reason why lu is deeper in the snatch position is because he has to maintain a much more upright torso in order to meet the demands of an overhead press. The upright torso demands of a back squat are much less therefore he does not go so deep. This is purely speculation on my part.

[amikaelmorris]

strong brag thread

i see you reeled some suckers in

[JustSaiyanBro]

The squat is an innate human movement, same as picking up something off the ground (deadlift), running and walking.

The weighted squat as we know it came out of the 20th century and the birth of modern bodybuilding.

Trying to compare this:



to this:



makes absolutely ZERO sense.

The Human body is designed to do the one, it definitely does not mean it was designed to do the other.

I am not anti-squat, but don't fool yourself in to thinking there are not known and obvious risks associated with the exercise.

People that think "perfect" form squats of heavy ass weight have zero risk of injury are living in a fantasy land.

[paradux]

He can go much deeper than that:

The Chinese lifters all squat like that for some reason.

I don't know why but most weightlifters are able to hit rock bottom position with overhead squat position no matter what their bodytype is. Even myself, I can nearly touch my upper hamstring to calves when Im holding the bar in overhead position but impossible for me to go deeper with the bar behind my back.

[NigelThornberry]

How the fuk do you even do this ****, srs somebody teach me to squat/ stretch right to get atg like Klokov (in oly shoes obvs)

First you have to identify it you have a motor control issue or a mobility issue. If you can't get into any of the positions no matter how hard you try than it is obviously the latter.

The second part is identifying which areas are restricting you. Often it is never usually a single area but a combination. With the squat the most common areas of restriction are the ankles and hips. You should probably work on your ankle dorsiflexion and hip flexion. That being said you should always be looking for the different areas of restriction as your body is basically a web of connected tissue.

I would suggest buying/downloading the book "Becoming A Supple Leopard" by Kelly Starrett or simply youtubing "mobilitywod" for heaps of great information. Kelly is pretty eccentric but he will definitely get you results.

[TnukPunch]

I believe the reason why lu is deeper in the snatch position is because he has to maintain a much more upright torso in order to meet the demands of an overhead press. The upright torso demands of a back squat are much less therefore he does not go so deep. This is purely speculation on my part.

I'm just pointing out that it's not his 'body type' that is preventing him from achieving a truly ATG squat. It's simply the way he, and the majority of the Chinese lifters have been taught to squat. If he can sit that deep in the catch position of snatch he can easily squat that deep.

[paradux]

I'm just pointing out that it's not his 'body type' that is preventing him from achieving a truly ATG squat. It's simply the way he, and the majority of the Chinese lifters have been taught to squat.

It is certainly his bodytype that is contributing to his depth on squat if we are strictly talking about his back squat depth.

Here's a link to the article where the US weightlifting coach explains how the bodytype can affect perceived depth on squat.

"Femur length will affect the depth of each athlete’s squat simply by dictating how far away from the knees the hips will be. Athletes with great ankle flexibility and long femurs will typically be capable of extraordinarily deep squat positions, while their shorter-femured counterparts will appear higher even when at their maximal depth. For some athletes, femur length will exceed what can be compensated for through ankle flexibility in the basic squat position, and adjustments will need to be made to allow a better bottom position."

http://www.catalystathletics.com/art...p?articleID=20

[Cranz]

Hey guyz, I used to do squats, but I'm now too lazy/old, so let's start bashing the exercise to make my inner self feel better about it.

Fine if you don't want to do it, but don't fukin' advise people not to. I can get you a list of people who did heavy ass lifts, and are fine in their 50's and 60's.

Also just said I'd say, I was exobese, and always had knee pain, even when I lost the weight, it was all gone once I started squatting x3 a week. srs.

[DidNotReadL0L]

what does ATG accomplish that parralel wouldn't? ATG looks like it would be bad on the knees and joints especially if you can squat heavy with 315+

[NigelThornberry]

The Human body is designed to do the one, it definitely does not mean it was designed to do the other.

I am not anti-squat, but don't fool yourself in to thinking there are not known and obvious risks associated with the exercise.

I completely agree that there are always risks associated with the exercise or in fact any aspect of human movement. What I'm saying is that the squat whether sitting down chilling like the asians you posted or a 800lbs barbell squat of coleman should ideally be exactly the same movement, as that is the correct way to perform the squat.

EDIT: I would also like to add that you can definitely compare both bottom positions of the asians and the bottom position of dmitry klokov in his video. The only difference is that the asian's lower backs are rounded as they are clearly in an unloaded position. However if they were in an "active" bottom position I would believe that they would look identical to klokov.

[JustSaiyanBro]

Hey guyz, I used to do squats, but I'm now too lazy/old, so let's start bashing the exercise to make my inner self feel better about it.

Fine if you don't want to do it, but don't fukin' advise people not to. I can get you a list of people who did heavy ass lifts, and are fine in their 50's and 60's.

No hate, but you don't squat enough to have pain even if you had the worst form in the world.

[Kimhwan92]

and my knees are perfectly fine

[GetHimABodyBag]

You guys seriously comparing a pause squat vs a squat for a double?

[TnukPunch]

It is certainly his bodytype that is contributing to his depth on squat if we are strictly talking about his back squat depth.

Here's a link to the article where the US weightlifting coach explains how the bodytype can affect perceived depth on squat.

"Femur length will affect the depth of each athlete’s squat simply by dictating how far away from the knees the hips will be. Athletes with great ankle flexibility and long femurs will typically be capable of extraordinarily deep squat positions, while their shorter-femured counterparts will appear higher even when at their maximal depth. For some athletes, femur length will exceed what can be compensated for through ankle flexibility in the basic squat position, and adjustments will need to be made to allow a better bottom position."

http://www.catalystathletics.com/art...p?articleID=20

And here is what a Chinese coach says he teaches his Chinese lifters:
"In terms of squatting technique, Coach Fang said to squat down until my hamstrings hit my calves, but not so low that I lose tightness in my lower back.

He told me to try to move my hips in a more vertical motion and not to have too much movement from front-to-back and that if I have to move my hips out of line to reach depth then that is too low as well. He said my center of balance should stay the same throughout the movement."
http://www.allthingsgym.com/larrys-c...atches-squats/

The backsquat is the biggest accessory movement for the snatch, if they're flexible enough to sit in the catch position of a snatch like that then they are easily able to squat to that depth. The thing is they are taught to squat how you see in the video.

[Kbooey]

strong brag thread

i see you reeled some suckers in

If I was bragging I would have put more on the bar.

[im2manly]

Every serious lifter that I talk to that has been lifting for 10+ years no longer squats ATG, and most don't squat at all anymore.

I had been squatting 400 lbs + ATG for years, and it's just not worth it anymore.

age 24

[MedicalLifts4]

Squat ATG or go home. Go hard or go home. I hate reading how people "stopped going ATG and even stopped squatting all up". It's simple, they are just bitches. You go to the gym to get out of your comfort zone, not stay in it. No pain no gain. I found that going ATG allows you to explode up way more and allows you to get stronger, also helps with everyday activities such as lifting sh*t off the floor without using your back.

Mirin' the weight and depth OP, good job.