LMAO at american gun violence and gun laws

[itsnotjon]

Carried my G19 with me to go get gas, because I can and it is legal for me to do so.
Like a real American citizen should, I exorcise ALL of my Constitutional rights.

[Timmy_522]

They took our guns (dey terk ur gurns) here in Australia, and made it very difficult for law abiding citizens to own firearms for legitimate use. And guess what, we still have drive bys and criminal use of guns. Anyone that thinks banning guns outright will solve anything is an ignorant fool.

[HankScorp1o]

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[nidl]

Text at a movie theater? Get shot dead
Walk through a nice neighborhood from the 7-11? Get shot dead
Play loud music in car? Get shot dead
Throw toilet paper and eggs on your buddies car in high school for a prank? Get shot dead

This **** is getting ridiculous. Can we use a little common sense america? If we can't handle the guns than we shouldn't have them.

400+ murders in just Chicago, most drugs and gang related using guns. Yet these are the ones OP uses to say gun violence is getting ridiculous. *clears throat* lololololol. OP, you racist. And hate chillren.

[Ikeman83]

Apparently, OP slept through American history.

I guess the gold rush days much have been peachy. I bet the people who lived in Vegas or Chicago when the mob ran those towns thought it was a walk in the park.

I bet the all the violence after the civil war ended and we expanded west was pretty low key.
God damn, this thread just gave me cancer I think.

The wild west was so dangerous/bad that a shoot out between 4 members of law enforcement and 5 known criminals that lasted less than a minute and featured THREE DEATHS became legendary

[HayZues Christi]

Apparently, OP slept through American history.

I guess the gold rush days much have been peachy. I bet the people who lived in Vegas or Chicago when the mob ran those towns thought it was a walk in the park.

I bet the all the violence after the civil war ended and we expanded west was pretty low key.
God damn, this thread just gave me cancer I think.

lol @ "when"

I live in Chicago now. Not much has changed. Got better for a few years, but it's gotten back u to where it was in early 90s as of late.

[itsnotjon]

they took our guns (dey terk ur gurns) here in australia, and made it very difficult for law abiding citizens to own firearms for legitimate use. And guess what, we still have drive bys and criminal use of guns. anyone that thinks banning guns outright will solve anything is an ignorant fool.

qft

[Beauuu]

But....who was.......
????

Third world countries...lmao i was like lmao

[CaptChip40]

The media will report what it wants to report, leaning to the leaf (way left) they sensationalize the ones where shootings are controversial. There are hundreds of stories where gun owners defended themselves and others and those stories never get reported because it does not further the liberal agenda.

[Ikeman83]

Third world countries...lmao i was like lmao

Dude, WTF is going on in Greenland?

[IcemanIsDead]

Probably because all those other objects have a purpose other than killing. Just a thought.

Don't be silly


It's not like cars are made for other uses, right?

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns are a tool that you can use in many other ways than just killing, it can be used as a hammer, a way to discipline your child, a bribe to make your baby stop crying, a thing to put under the leg of an unstable chair to make it stop wobbling and a way of making everyone think that you have a bigger dick (if you put it in your underwear that is)


All jokes aside, legal gunowners are very less likely to kill anyone than a guy who has a gun without license, and that is a fact.

[ClownToucher]

Guns are a great equalizer though. The best tool to protect your life and your family. Works well even if you are small and weak. Self defense is just an absolute basic human right.
Guns in the hands of citizens make it much more difficult for government and criminal groups to go rogue on your ass.
Guns are just inanimate tools. We've had guns in this nation since the beginning and it worked out just fine for us. The problem with violence isn't the mere existence of guns, it is much deeper and broader than that.
You are a small, shallow thinker if you think you can pin violence on one factor, an inert piece of steel.

[Footballa_19]

Dude, WTF is going on in Greenland?

lol first thing I noticed, don't fuk with greenland

[sknot1454]

It's not so much about the 2nd amendment though, it's more about state laws, if you are allowed to conceal caarry you are probably more likely to pull that gun on impulse and kill someone than it would be for you to go home, get your gun and shoot someone because they cut infront of you on the highway.

Actually, concealed carriers have a drastically decreased chance of shooting someone compared to the rest of the population.

[Lakersbake]

[Kiwi_Fella]

They took our guns (dey terk ur gurns) here in Australia, and made it very difficult for law abiding citizens to own firearms for legitimate use. And guess what, we still have drive bys and criminal use of guns. Anyone that thinks banning guns outright will solve anything is an ignorant fool.

Lol, care to link where all these drive by's are happening, actually better yet, show me stats on homicides by guns in Australia, dont worry here you go:

http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/vi.../homicide.html

There were 253 homicide incidents in 2008-09 and 257 in 2009-10, involving 541 victims and 611 offenders, only 13 percent which were related to firearms

So 13% of 253 = 32 deaths caused by guns in 2 years

[Blacryan]

My first paycheck as a lawyer will be used to purchase a nice AR, gotta get em while they're legal. I'll never conceal carry though, too much hassle.

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/...atenight09.txt


that was a ar15.com member... the "residence" mentioned is a lawyers office. He was there meeting with a few friends who were partners at the law firm.

The guy who held them up makes them all get on their knees facing away from him execution style...

You think him or anybody else in that office would prefer he had not been carrying that day?


Read this thread, it gives all the details of the member of the forum who was CCW'ing at the lawyers office in great detail about what happened and how it all transpired. Odds are it will change your mind.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....-Pics-included)

We were out there for maybe a minute when a guy walked up to our group (not uncommon to have the neighbors come by and chat as there are also houses and apartments in this area) wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up and drawn tight and a scarf or balaclava covering everything but his eyes. Not too uncommon, as it was rather cold and rainy that night. What was uncommon was that he was holding a stainless steel revolver at his side. At first I thought it was a joke that one of the guys had set up. I asked "Can we help you?" I can't remember exactly what he said as he raised the revolver up and pointed it at the group of us, except for him telling us to drop whatever we had in our hands and something along the lines of "this is a robbery." He told us that we were going inside and that if any of us made a move, he would shoot us. I was the last person to walk up the two steps of the side door into the conference room and evidently wasn't moving fast enough for him. He put the muzzle in my back and was pushing me forward telling me to hurry up. In my infinite wisdom, I turned my head toward him and told him to quit shoving me, that I couldn't go any faster than the guy in front of me. In my head, almost like a mantra, there was an alarm going off saying "This is why you carry, this is why you carry this is why you carry."

[joecam18]

Lol, care to link where all these drive by's are happening, actually better yet, show me stats on homicides by guns in Australia, dont worry here you go:

http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/vi.../homicide.html



So 13% of 253 = 32 deaths caused by guns in 2 years

strong 22 million person population

[guest89]

Negative. Again, if you find nothing wrong with this stuff than something is wrong with you.

BRB I don't like you as a miscer so I will start a fight with you, get my ass beat, but then pull out a gun and shoot you to justify it as self defense.

The problem with society isn't the number of guns on the streets. Its the culture. A big problem with this country is everybody has had it drilled into their head that its a free country and everyone thinks they can do whatever they want. They know they have the right to free speech and think they can say whatever they want. However they are unprepared to deal with the consequences of saying or doing whatever they want to the wrong person.

To a point your right. There is definitely an issue when if you start a verbal altercation with someone, start a fight with someone, destroy someone's property, try to steal someone's property, etc. you get shot. But at the same time if people exercised a shred of common sense and a little bit of common courtesy we wouldn't have 90% of the problems we do have. In general people are emotional creatures and stupid people let those emotions control them. If you mess with the wrong person you are very liable to get your azz beat. Whether its with fists, some kind of weapon, stabbed, or even shot. In general gun crime is actually a fairly 'rare' occurrence when compared to beatings with weapons and stabbings.




I always tell people never argue about something that you aren't willing to die, or kill over. Because if you get into the argument with someone who has mental issues they may very well try to kill you. And you may very well have to kill them to survive. Bottom line is there is 0 reason to be involved in an argument or altercation in civilized society.





As for mass shootings/murders even if we ban guns it won't stop them. You can't stop crazy until you figure out how to solve crazy.

[Blacryan]

The problem with society isn't the number of guns on the streets. Its the culture. A big problem with this country is everybody has had it drilled into their head that its a free country and everyone thinks they can do whatever they want. They know they have the right to free speech and think they can say whatever they want. However they are unprepared to deal with the consequences of saying or doing whatever they want to the wrong person.

To a point your right. There is definitely an issue when if you start a verbal altercation with someone, start a fight with someone, destroy someone's property, try to steal someone's property, etc. you get shot. But at the same time if people exercised a shred of common sense and a little bit of common courtesy we wouldn't have 90% of the problems we do have. In general people are emotional creatures and stupid people let those emotions control them. If you mess with the wrong person you are very liable to get your azz beat. Whether its with fists, some kind of weapon, stabbed, or even shot. In general gun crime is actually a fairly 'rare' occurrence when compared to beatings with weapons and stabbings.




I always tell people never argue about something that you aren't willing to die, or kill over. Because if you get into the argument with someone who has mental issues they may very well try to kill you. And you may very well have to kill them to survive. Bottom line is there is 0 reason to be involved in an argument or altercation in civilized society.





As for mass shootings/murders even if we ban guns it won't stop them. You can't stop crazy until you figure out how to solve crazy.

Reps fellow BB.com OG. So much truth in one post. these foreigners keep bringing up gun crime, yet they don't understand every year our crime statistics go down and our gun laws become more and more free/open.

[joecam18]

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

A piece of "Why the gun is civilization"

I like this

[CheekyCnt]

This is the only forum in the world where if a massive pit-bull walks onto your lawn and you shoot it you are a piece of ****, but if a 15 year old girl eggs your house its perfectly legit to shoot her in the head.

[Souh]

society of peace

[Kiwi_Fella]

strong 22 million person population

Yeah gun deaths are out of control here. People are scared to walk the streets

[fishnbrah]

Text at a movie theater? Get shot dead
Walk through a nice neighborhood from the 7-11? Get shot dead
Play loud music in car? Get shot dead
Throw toilet paper and eggs on your buddies car in high school for a prank? Get shot dead

This **** is getting ridiculous. Can we use a little common sense america? If we can't handle the guns than we shouldn't have them.

arizona is about to pass a law to disregard all federal gun laws. brb getting a full auto with a supressor. fukking stoked

[joecam18]

Yeah gun deaths are out of control here. People are scared to walk the streets

Maybe you should ban them

[Hola Bola]

lma. If you find nothing wrong with the ridiculous shootings as of late than I feel bad for you. Don't text in the beginning of movie credits or play your music too loud. You might get shot. Yes, I don't think anybody has the solution to the problem but to basically just brush off these dumb deaths because "i'm a gun owner and I don't do anything wrong" is pathetic.

Your emotional argument is pathetic.

Facts, not even once.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/...atenight09.txt


that was a ar15.com member... the "residence" mentioned is a lawyers office. He was there meeting with a few friends who were partners at the law firm.

The guy who held them up makes them all get on their knees facing away from him execution style...

You think him or anybody else in that office would prefer he had not been carrying that day?


Read this thread, it gives all the details of the member of the forum who was CCW'ing at the lawyers office in great detail about what happened and how it all transpired. Odds are it will change your mind.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....-Pics-included)

That's crazy.

[Farley1324]

I like guns, guns are good, guns protect you and guns keeps your rights from being violated. However, a slight change in gunlaw wouldn't hurt, since a background check and a waiting period of a few weeks wouldn't really make much of a difference once you have your gun.

Open carry is too much imo, you don't need to carry your M16 to the 7-11 at the corner just because there might be someone that tries to rob you, that's borderline paranoid behaiviour and it increases the risk of acting on impulse, for example shooting someone that cut infront of you in traffic, because you had a gun available and you didn't think straight and acted on impulse.

Having a gun on you because someone else might have a gun defeats the whole purpose of the amendment. If you don't trust anyone else with a gun that they own legally then why should the gun laws be so loose? Just food for thought, imagine that there was no open carry/concealed carry, how big are the chances that a regular joe pulls a gun and shoots you because you cut in front of him in traffic? I would say that the chances are slim to none compared with a state where everyone would carry a gun without breaking the law, but that's just something that I think and not necessarily a reflection of the truth.

Impulse is a dangerous thing, and there are 1000 reasons for an idiot to pull a gun on someone if he had one on him, the chances of him pulling a gun on someone decrease drastically if he has to go home and get it first in order to shoot that someone, since the moment of the impulse would be gone by the time he actually got to the gun.

Availability can play a role in life or death, and if you take away every mans right to carry a gun in public (where he will probably never need it) you decrease the risk of an idiot doind something drastic and end up killing someone.

Again, I'm all for guns, but there's no need for guns out in public. Firing range? Knock yourself out and make sure to have one hell of a good time. Home-protection? I don't see why a burglar should be able to walk into your house and take what he wants because you were to afraid to go downstairs because you don't have a gun. Protection against the opressive state? If you think that's necessary, then go ahead.

All I'm saying is that there is very few reasons why you should have a gun on you while going to the theater/7-11/grocery shopping/going to work, so why keep that legal (in some states) and risk the chance of letting some guy exercise his right and carry it with him everywhere he goes, just to pull it once when he gets a bit angry and end up killing an innocent man because he had a gun on him and he didn't think straight?

I know these occurrances are very few and that there's 99% of all gunowners that wouldn't do something like that, but people forget that 99% is still atatistics that can be improved, and that it doesn't take much to make a change that might save someone's life.

Again, all of the above are just my personal opinions and thoughts, I do not live in a place where open carry is allowed, nor do I know anything about the statistics for gunowners in those states/areas, I just know what I have learned about the human psyche and how our minds work, and that tells me that there's an easy solution to a small problem that gets way too much media attention.

**** you.


PS: You lion

[taf1968]

This is the only forum in the world where if a massive pit-bull walks onto your lawn and you shoot it you are a piece of ****, but if a 15 year old girl eggs your house its perfectly legit to shoot her in the head.